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Old 03-19-2011, 06:22 PM   #251
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^^^ There's a lot of off-topic chatter, unrelated info, and misinformation from people OTHER than Moore Performance. You could have just answered the question instead of being a douche.

Moore didn't post information with the pictures so I'm merely clarifying.


... Is this really what NASIOC has become?
Dude, Race has contributed more to NASTYSHACK than you ever will, leave him alone.


Also, "Is this really what NASIOC has become"... yes, I can see how someone from way back at the dawn of NASI.... oh, wait, you joined in July of 2010
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Old 03-19-2011, 07:28 PM   #252
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Just to clarify, are these a bolt on for the 2006+ guys, or for 2005 and below?
Read the thread
Make sure you go back and call williaty out for asking the same question...

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OK, which fitment and style is that supposed to be?
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Old 03-19-2011, 07:35 PM   #253
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Make sure you go back and call williaty out for asking the same question...
Yeah, but you have to admit that doesn't look like it's a 2.5i-fitment unless the entire rest of the system is custom as well but it's the 06+ guys that are doing most of the fapping. Without a top-down shot, it's also hard to determine if it's an EL 4-2-1 design with really short primaries or a 4-2-1 UEL design that's not as UE as the reps are. Which is confusing because the thread started as a RS-fitment UEL, then got off track talking about EL, then got off track talking about i-fitment. I have NO idea what the final result is at this point
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Old 03-19-2011, 08:00 PM   #254
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Dude, Race has contributed more to NASTYSHACK than you ever will, leave him alone.


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Yeah, but you have to admit that doesn't look like it's a 2.5i-fitment unless the entire rest of the system is custom as well but it's the 06+ guys that are doing most of the fapping. Without a top-down shot, it's also hard to determine if it's an EL 4-2-1 design with really short primaries or a 4-2-1 UEL design that's not as UE as the reps are. Which is confusing because the thread started as a RS-fitment UEL, then got off track talking about EL, then got off track talking about i-fitment. I have NO idea what the final result is at this point


So you're defending RaceFaceXC for his unhelpful answer and then siding with me about the confusion surrounding this header....

Honestly he wasn't being helpful. I respect him as a valued NASIOC member, and he has definitely contributed more than I ever will. So have you williaty. But it was still a douche move.




Can someone with authority (read moore) please clear the air with these headers? What designs did you guys land on? full UEL? 2006+? 2008+? Do we have to buy a new cat? How "bolt on" are these?

Thanks for your hard work guys. A lot of us N/A member's are looking forward to a quality header.
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Old 03-19-2011, 10:23 PM   #255
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Can someone with authority (read moore) please clear the air with these headers? What designs did you guys land on? full UEL? 2006+? 2008+? Do we have to buy a new cat? How "bolt on" are these?

Thanks for your hard work guys. A lot of us N/A member's are looking forward to a quality header.
Since it was stated earlier that garagedefeat is Mr. Moore, here's a link to his post answering some of the questions that were asked about the cat pipe and style but you'll have to wait for him to clear up your fitment question though. I hope that's helpful.
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Old 03-19-2011, 10:57 PM   #256
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Also, why does this header use V-band? Doesn't that eliminate a lot of aftermarket customization? I mean, does the N/A market really need race quality V-Band piping? Can we request a 2/3 bolt flange instead?
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Old 03-19-2011, 11:37 PM   #257
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Also, why does this header use V-band? Doesn't that eliminate a lot of aftermarket customization? I mean, does the N/A market really need race quality V-Band piping? Can we request a 2/3 bolt flange instead?
Apparantly this has turned into a whos on whos side debate about a disputed subject that had no weight on the original discussion at hand.

I'm not trying to be a dick and call out newbs, nor am I defending forum regulars. I just call them like I see them.

If this turns into a political popularity contest then everyone should go **** themselves for enabling it. Myself included if you feel I was a contributing factor to the douchebaggery.

Now lets get back to informative useful questioning and discussion and stop being so god damn sensitive about who said what to who and how long they have been a NASIOC member. There are plenty of founding members who are ****s too
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Old 03-21-2011, 10:46 AM   #258
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Yeah, but you have to admit that doesn't look like it's a 2.5i-fitment unless the entire rest of the system is custom as well but it's the 06+ guys that are doing most of the fapping. Without a top-down shot, it's also hard to determine if it's an EL 4-2-1 design with really short primaries or a 4-2-1 UEL design that's not as UE as the reps are. Which is confusing because the thread started as a RS-fitment UEL, then got off track talking about EL, then got off track talking about i-fitment. I have NO idea what the final result is at this point
At this point, the thread pertains directly to RS fitment UEL. That's what there is to test right now. Lot's of modularity designed into the Moore Performance stuff, so other options are bound to follow!

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Can someone with authority (read moore) please clear the air with these headers? What designs did you guys land on? full UEL? 2006+? 2008+? Do we have to buy a new cat? How "bolt on" are these?

Thanks for your hard work guys. A lot of us N/A member's are looking forward to a quality header.
Thanks for the vote of confidence. Just to clear it up I'm not Moore - Moore Performance is Ryan Moore's gig (NASIOC handle: Moore Performance) where I lend a hand. I'm hoping to have my own Moore-specific handle soon to un-muddy the waters a bit

And to answer your question, initial fitment is UEL and for early RS models. We hope to offer a full lineup at some point, but with other parts in development (both n/a and turbo), it's hard to say when that will happen. But I will say if you have a test car that can be left for a period of time (we're not talking a week here), then we can make any of these fitments happen. Discounts given for test cars of course. SWPA/OH region cars preferred for proximity's sake.

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Also, why does this header use V-band? Doesn't that eliminate a lot of aftermarket customization? I mean, does the N/A market really need race quality V-Band piping? Can we request a 2/3 bolt flange instead?
Good question. it was a customer option. You're right - v-bands aren't the norm, so a 2/3 bolt flange would make sense, and may make its way into final production. The V bands are pretty sweet though, especially when it comes to trans pulling time
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Old 03-21-2011, 12:13 PM   #259
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How long would you need the test car for? I might be able to lend you my RS.
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Old 03-21-2011, 02:54 PM   #260
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My car is already being loaned to them for all the test fitting and dyno'ing. I am very excited to see how it sounds and the power it makes. Should make the autox season a very fun one.
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Old 03-21-2011, 03:04 PM   #261
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Oh okay sweet. Im excited to see and hear the results too.
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Old 03-21-2011, 07:36 PM   #262
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How long would you need the test car for? I might be able to lend you my RS.
thanks for the offer, but as Wasting Time mentioned, we already have his car for the early RS testing

Any later model RS owners looking for a header and want to be a test vehicle can PM myself or Ryan at handle Moore Performance
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Old 03-22-2011, 11:15 PM   #263
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thanks for the offer, but as Wasting Time mentioned, we already have his car for the early RS testing

Any later model RS owners looking for a header and want to be a test vehicle can PM myself or Ryan at handle Moore Performance

Thanks for keeping the thread going and providing detailed info as the questions are asked! I've been a little swamped with other projects and I do appreciate the time spent focusing on this thread and those who are interested.

As was already mentioned, our goal is to build custom parts if requested by a customer to meet his or her specific goal and budget, but along the way be able to perform some R&D to bring production parts to the table at more affordable prices. With custom requests we collaborate with the owner as well as our designers, fabricators and engineers to provide the customer with the highest quality, custom piece for their car.


I personally am very excited about this header and we're preparing to create the cat (or catless) pipe that will connect the header to the catback, after a baseline test is run on the DynoJet with the car's current configuration. We're happy to provide exhaust options and customization to the N/A crowd and after further testing we will take a look at production options and pricing. As many of you are aware, the process of creating, testing and eventually making production items is usually not a quick one, but I promise we are moving in a forward direction and we will post dyno results as soon as we have them!


I appreciate every ones enthusiasm and interest in this first header and we'll keep you posted!
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Old 03-29-2011, 02:25 AM   #264
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When are you guys hittin the dyno?
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Old 03-29-2011, 02:42 AM   #265
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Old 03-29-2011, 09:11 PM   #266
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When are you guys hittin the dyno?

Soon. We have a number of other turbo projects that we have to finish, but we are trying to get this 2.5 RS on the dyno in the next week or so. As soon as we have some data I will post it up!
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Old 04-06-2011, 12:11 AM   #267
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Were going to be doing some fab work this weekend at the shop on the midpipe and we're going to do our best to get the car on the dyno this weekend as well! I'll update with any news!
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Old 04-06-2011, 11:24 AM   #268
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Please keep us updated on any 2008+ headers you may be working on. EL or UEL. I'm very excited for this I know the community really needs some bolt on stuff for 08+
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Old 04-11-2011, 07:08 PM   #269
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Any updates? My car is sounding very boring..
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Old 04-11-2011, 08:05 PM   #270
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Any updates? My car is sounding very boring..
Awesome sounding - check.
awesome fitting - check.
awesome performing - well....it needs the ability for tuning! 11.xx afr's aren't cutting it. It still crushes any other 2.5 rs' that have been on this dyno though - over 20 mustang rwhp over stock in both torque and hp.

we're going to re-base line it, and put the baseline and the untuned header/exhaust numbers on the same graph for y'all.
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Is this on a 06-07 2.5i?
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Old 04-11-2011, 08:39 PM   #272
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Is this on a 06-07 2.5i?
'99 rs w/ maf and 2 filters intact.

a 2.5i was dyno'd on same day w. a cat-back - it bettered the 2.5i car by 14 whp and 20 wtq.

2.5i had afr's in the 12.2-12.5 range vs. 99 rs afr's at a pretty solid (and terrible) 11.3.
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Old 04-12-2011, 07:06 AM   #274
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soooo looking forward to purchasing a 2.5i header for my foz!
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Old 04-12-2011, 05:21 PM   #275
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'99 rs w/ maf and 2 filters intact.

a 2.5i was dyno'd on same day w. a cat-back - it bettered the 2.5i car by 14 whp and 20 wtq.

2.5i had afr's in the 12.2-12.5 range vs. 99 rs afr's at a pretty solid (and terrible) 11.3.
I was under the impression that this header was developed for '05 - previous models.. due to the different(tricky) exhaust routing and CAT placement on the 06'-07' model. I own an '06 2.5i. Do you offer a header/back-cat for the 2.5i with the afore mentioned "simple" (no fabricating/removing or relocating cat) installation?

Please forgive me if this has already been covered. I'm new to Subaru and am a noob as far as technical knowledge goes.
Thanks.
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