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Old 07-07-2011, 01:59 PM   #1
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Default Bird doo doo and 2011 Paint

I've clayed, glazed, waxed my 2011 every 4 weeks since I got it. One bird dropping on the roof left for 24 hours and it seems to have eaten through my clearcoat. It's no longer glazed there and wax will no longer stick to it. I've never had this happen to a car before, is this typical with subarus? Water beads on the paint really well so it doesn't look like the wax is gone. Using mothers 3 step system.

How do you guys stop this from happening??
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Old 07-08-2011, 06:03 AM   #2
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I had a small spot on my wing and when I was done with the 3 step system it had removed it. Maybe the birds your way eat alot of acidic fruit, but really I know what you mean it was a b!tch to remove the spot. I went over it an extra time or two with the pre-wax with a firmer hand. If that doesnt help Mothers scatch remover will probably work, just dont scrub too much or apply too much pressure. Hope this helps.
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Old 07-08-2011, 02:07 PM   #3
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yep...got two spots on my hood, and the paint/maintenence is my highest priority.

bird craped on the hood while we were traveling on a saturday down freeway. got to our destination 2 hrs later, cleaned off with water and paper towels.

arrived home on sunday and washed...still there. waxed it....still there.

machine polished with 3 different flavors of compound....it's still there.

I've tried clay, everything. don't want to rub on it anymore for fear of making it worse or rubbing/machining right through the clear.

I love my rex....but the paint sucks
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Old 07-08-2011, 02:35 PM   #4
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When you guys say Mothers' 3 step system, are you referring to their Ultimate Wax system? If you are trying to removing bird etching with that system, by hand, it's not going to happen. Whether by hand or machine you need to use a cutting pad and a compound or swirl remover to level the paint around the etchings. But, you all are right to be careful when using compound on Subie paint, whether by hand or machine. I cut through a clear coat crack on my 05 hood, by hand, using the cutting side on a German applicator and Pinnacle's XMT 4 compound. I would wash the car clay the area with the defect, then use the pre-wax cleaner, and follow that with a swirl remover and a cutting pad. Keep an eye on your work by wiping the area clean of polish/compound and making sure you are not cutting through the clear. Sometimes a true filler glaze is the best way to cover the defect if you are not willing to risk removing too much clear coat paint. Then put a quality paint sealant over it. I recommend you guys use a paint sealant, not just a wax, to mitigate these etchings. Wolfgang Deep Gloss Paint Sealant and Klasse High Gloss Sealant Glaze are two of my favs and very durable. You can top these with your fav carnauba wax to add a layer of protection and shine/gloss. Always remove contaminants like bird droppings and bugs ASAP to prevent etching. Keep a quick detailer, spray-on car wash, or glass cleaner, with a clean, quality microfiber clothe in the vehicle to take care of these contaminants while on the road.
Hope all goes well with these issues.
P.S. And posting pics would help to diagnose a solution as well.
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Old 07-09-2011, 08:44 AM   #5
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Thanks for the comments on removal of the etching. I was just wondering if this was an issue with subaru paint. It sounds like it is just weak factory paint. It's just that I have an 11 year old civic that has gotten crapped on all the time and doesn't have clearcoat etching.

I use mothers ultimate wax system, clay, cleaner, glaze/seal, and carnauba wax. Maybe I should have gotten ziebart's paint coating system instead.
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Old 07-09-2011, 01:59 PM   #6
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I've clayed, glazed, waxed my 2011 every 4 weeks since I got it. One bird dropping on the roof left for 24 hours and it seems to have eaten through my clearcoat. It's no longer glazed there and wax will no longer stick to it. I've never had this happen to a car before, is this typical with subarus? Water beads on the paint really well so it doesn't look like the wax is gone. Using mothers 3 step system.

How do you guys stop this from happening??
Whoa, did I read this right? You CLAY every month? I think you should re-think your process and consider a sealant topped with a wax. What wax are you using? A quality wax on average should last over 3 months easily.

With a sealant topped with a wax you have a much better shot of getting to the bird crap before it etches its way down. I'm not sure any product can prevent the acidity from going straight through your wax/sealant/clear but it gives you a longer window to work with.
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Old 07-10-2011, 08:15 PM   #7
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No, you're right, I dont clay it every month. In fact, i clayed it and used the cleaner (mothers step 1) only the first time. The other times, I just used steps 2 and 3 after a proper wash. It's smooth as glass without swirls, except where the bird crapped.

So is mothers step 2 (sealant/glaze) not the same sealer as what you're talking about?
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Old 07-10-2011, 09:07 PM   #8
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No, you're right, I dont clay it every month. In fact, i clayed it and used the cleaner (mothers step 1) only the first time. The other times, I just used steps 2 and 3 after a proper wash. It's smooth as glass without swirls, except where the bird crapped.

So is mothers step 2 (sealant/glaze) not the same sealer as what you're talking about?
I haven't personally used Mothers Sealant & Glaze. After researching it though, I think that it is more of a glaze than a sealant. Sounds like you just have some really deep etching. Must of been extremely acidic. You should take pictures so I can get a visual.
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Old 07-31-2011, 02:59 AM   #9
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I think i've got the same problem on my hood in a spot that seems to just get worse over time. I'll post some pics in a day or two when I'm not working nights anymore
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Old 08-02-2011, 02:06 PM   #10
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Going to try to get rid of this and another spot today... we'll see how it goes.
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Old 09-05-2011, 07:50 PM   #11
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For what it's worth, I'm fairly certain that the 2011's paint is worthless. Not only does bird crap do it, but I went on a weeklong vacation and because I didn't clean the bugs off the hood and bumper within 24hrs the clear is all etched from bug juice too. It's almost unbelievable considering how the car is marketed to "outdoorsy" people.

Trying wolfgang now. I hope it works because I'm almost afraid to take the car anywhere.

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Old 09-25-2011, 05:45 AM   #12
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^^^ same here. i have a light red mark on my front bumper. it looks like bug blood. i drove it to work and back. i washed the car, used glass cleaner , my fingernail and polish remover. nothing has worked. it is only as big as the top of a cushin pin but it still bugs me. no pun intended.

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Old 09-25-2011, 08:13 AM   #13
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New car paint, any new car, is very susceptible to etching. Clear coat can take forever to cure and there is little to no wax or soap film built up to keep things from getting directly to the clear coat.
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Old 09-25-2011, 10:17 AM   #14
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I've given up on my car...if it's on there for mroe than a split second...it's in the paint.

I have this yellow tree droppings on my paint that ate through the clear and basecoat leading to primer! I spent hours trying to touch up my hood, it's nuts.
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Old 09-25-2011, 10:36 AM   #15
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New car paint, any new car, is very susceptible to etching. Clear coat can take forever to cure and there is little to no wax or soap film built up to keep things from getting directly to the clear coat.
Wrong. Clear coat is cured before leaving the factory. Watch the videos from Audis, Porsche, and Chevys factories. They are dipped in a formula primer which attracts the paint. Robotically painted and cleared, then baked dry.

The problem with Subaru clear is that it is soft. Try detailing a Mercedes and then a Subaru, you will notice a difference.
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Old 09-25-2011, 11:19 AM   #16
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Bird poop etching and door dings.
Both just seem to find the car, no matter where I park...

Have a spot of bird crap that made the paint "bubble" and pealed the clear coat. Oh ****..., in the scheme of things, there are bigger issue in life. Pisses me off, but I get over it and move on.
Never had either problem with the is300, but I still love the WRX.
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Old 09-25-2011, 06:50 PM   #17
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I had spots on the hood of my 2005 wrx that looked exactly like the pics you posted. We hit that **** with every polish in the book with a rotary and it still wasn't coming out. Sucks.
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Old 09-26-2011, 12:44 AM   #18
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can we talk sealant for a second? for this wolfgang's stuff, what order is it applied in (i.e. cleaner wax, wax, sealant) and any tips on application and removal plz.

SOrry... read more this time. wash, cleaner, sealant, wax sounds the way for me to go.
gonna have to find a parking deck to put it in all day as recommended. says do not apply before dusk so I guess first thing in the AM since it needs 12 hours.

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Old 10-23-2011, 04:53 PM   #19
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Here's what a small dropping left overnight does while using wolfgang's products.



It's not quite as bad as the other dozen or so etchings, but I'm not sure it was worth all the money and effort. I pretty much give up. Maybe if I dont wash the car the grime buildup might help protect the paint. Maybe I expect too much, oh well.
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Here's what a small dropping left overnight does while using wolfgang's products.

It's not quite as bad as the other dozen or so etchings, but I'm not sure it was worth all the money and effort. I pretty much give up. Maybe if I dont wash the car the grime buildup might help protect the paint. Maybe I expect too much, oh well.
Which Wolfgang products are you referring too? Just because the sealant or wax is etched doesn't mean your paint is. Chances are if you strip your protectant your paint finish will still look great. The entire point of a sealant/wax is to take the hit, not your clear coat or paint.
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Old 10-24-2011, 11:35 AM   #21
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^^^^sealant and wax does not etch....it is simply a sacrificial layer. It does not make your paint invincible, especially if you leave bird **** on there for 2-3 week. Look, you simply cannot leave bird doo and bugs on the paint for extended periods of time. They will eventually bond to your paint and make things that much more difficult.
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^^^^sealant and wax does not etch....it is simply a sacrificial layer. It does not make your paint invincible, especially if you leave bird **** on there for 2-3 week. Look, you simply cannot leave bird doo and bugs on the paint for extended periods of time. They will eventually bond to your paint and make things that much more difficult.
Uh.. Yeah it does etch. Hence why it is a protective layer.

You are right though that immediate removal of anything on your paint is the best alternative.
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Old 10-24-2011, 03:58 PM   #23
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A very, very thin protective layer. 2-3 weeks, I'd be happy for more than 2-3 hours.

This is the deep glo$$ 3.0, and with a layer of mothers pure carnauba applied the next day after the sealant cured. Beads water great, but I'm not sure that gives much protection against any sort of acid. The etching is definitely in the clear coat. Worth a try, but no dice. The hood already looks worse than my 2000 civic, which is parked right next to the subaru.

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If you previously waxed the car before bird droppings got to it... would claybar work on the spot? Cause my car had bird poo on it for less than 5 hours and left a similiar mark
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A very, very thin protective layer. 2-3 weeks, I'd be happy for more than 2-3 hours.

This is the deep glo$$ 3.0, and with a layer of mothers pure carnauba applied the next day after the sealant cured. Beads water great, but I'm not sure that gives much protection against any sort of acid. The etching is definitely in the clear coat. Worth a try, but no dice. The hood already looks worse than my 2000 civic, which is parked right next to the subaru.
Is your Impreza newport blue pearl? If so, I have that same color and haven't had any severe etching problems. I use 3.0 frequently and have never had a problem personally or with a clients car.

I'm wondering if you just had an off case of high-acidity? Are you positive the etching wasn't on your paint prior to applying the sealant and wax? Depending on how deep the etching is a polish could solve your problem.
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