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Old 12-27-2011, 12:18 AM   #1
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I'm starting my research and always like to hear what the Subaru community thinks.

So far I'm pretty sure I'm going with one of the combo Recaro seats.
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Old 12-27-2011, 01:53 AM   #2
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Somebody t-boned my wifes 94 accord almost 4 years ago (doing about 45 mph into her passenger side) with our daughter in an Evenflo child seat. my daughter was 9 months old, and only had a scratch on her forhead resembling rugburn. My wife had two fractured vertabrea in her lower back and she had her seat belt on.. the handbrake looked like a banana!

Needless to say I went out and bought another Evenflo car seat.

side story - she now drives a P71 and nobody drives like a moron around her. we've had 2 (almost 3) cars totalled within 5 miles of our home , on a certain two roads that we don't use anymore because of illegals and idiots.


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Old 12-27-2011, 02:45 AM   #3
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I have britax seats in both cars , havent had any problems with them or any accident stories to tell, thank God. I like the way their built. They seem to have very strong supports along the back of the seat. My son is now forward facing. Just curious are people installing seats in the middle of the back seat or on the end of the seat?
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Old 12-27-2011, 02:48 AM   #4
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i have both a britax and recaro. I think the britax is better constructed and holds a better safety rating.
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Old 12-27-2011, 03:24 AM   #5
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I have Britax as well.


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Just curious are people installing seats in the middle of the back seat or on the end of the seat?
The middle seat is the safest, see T-boned accident above. Where would you rather have your kid in that type of accident? On the end or in the middle? People think I'm weird when they see I have my 18-month old in the middle and 4 year old right next to him. When they ask "Why don't you have both seats on the ends? It's so much easier to get the kids in and out.", I resist smacking them and kindly reply that the middle spot is the safest for the smallest child, and I value safety over convenience. And don't give me the excuse that two cars seats won't fit right next to each other, because they will. /rant
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Old 12-27-2011, 06:56 AM   #6
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I have Britax as well.




The middle seat is the safest, see T-boned accident above. Where would you rather have your kid in that type of accident? On the end or in the middle? People think I'm weird when they see I have my 18-month old in the middle and 4 year old right next to him. When they ask "Why don't you have both seats on the ends? It's so much easier to get the kids in and out.", I resist smacking them and kindly reply that the middle spot is the safest for the smallest child, and I value safety over convenience. And don't give me the excuse that two cars seats won't fit right next to each other, because they will. /rant
We had, and always will have her in the middle of the back seat. I put the teenager on one side and the dog on the other side when we all ride together lol.
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Old 12-27-2011, 11:06 AM   #7
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I bought the Trekko "travel system" by Graco which consisted of a full size stroller and car seat (Snug Ride 30). We also have ours anchored to the middle of the rear seat in the wife's Forester.
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Old 12-27-2011, 11:18 AM   #8
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We always looked at the CR safety reviews before picking what we were going to go with - when the kids were little, we had a Graco infant carrier for them, then went to a Cosco seat of some sort until they were old enough to use a booster. My youngest has to still be in a 5-point harness, but she's older, so we pretty much had to go with a Britax since they have one of the few front facing seats which is rated for her size.

I know the Recaro ones look cool and all, but when I was looking they were never at the top of the safety ratings, which to me, eliminated them from consideration (since for me, the ability to protect the kiddo was by far the highest priority) - also, if you are having a newborn soon, you'll want an infant carrier before a convertable car seat.
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Old 12-27-2011, 11:36 AM   #9
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I did use graco travel system for my two kid and work great. Yes safety is a concern, but also practicability. You have to be able to remove your child from the seat.

Never got any accident, but still love the graco. Downside, I did scratch my seat, even with the protector.

Best advice, learn to install it. It's not that easy, 90 % of car seat in Quebec is not install properly. No idea in USA but should be the same. The seat is never attached hard enough. You have to use ALL your strength. I'm really not kidding. I was in the seat and pull as hard as possible. I'm a 5'8 220 pound muscular guy.

Congrat on your kid!
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Old 12-27-2011, 12:17 PM   #10
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I know the Recaro ones look cool and all, but when I was looking they were never at the top of the safety ratings, which to me, eliminated them from consideration (since for me, the ability to protect the kiddo was by far the highest priority)
I agree, I really wanted a Recaro for the cool factor, but the ratings didn't seem as good.
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Old 12-27-2011, 01:45 PM   #11
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Thanks for the replies! I guess i have some more reading to do. Recaro was what my sister had and i guess i just trusted her opinion but i agree that safety is much more important than the "cool" factor.
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Old 12-27-2011, 01:51 PM   #12
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Thanks for the replies! I guess i have some more reading to do. Recaro was what my sister had and i guess i just trusted her opinion but i agree that safety is much more important than the "cool" factor.
Agree, and don't forget all other thing. Is it easy to remove your child, does it fit in your back seat. Sentra 2006 were too small for my car seat. Test them. Be sure about the return policy. Your child should be comfortable too. Check also for heavy duty at car seat protector. They are a must
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Old 12-27-2011, 02:11 PM   #13
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absolutely! like other said, put a knee in that thing with all your weight and strap it in good! that's another thing that helped my daughter in her accident. We never went gentle on installing it. You should have NO movement with it while its in and empty.. and that means trying to force it around. The cars seat should be compressed with the empty weight of the childs seat on it.
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Old 12-27-2011, 02:22 PM   #14
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absolutely! like other said, put a knee in that thing with all your weight and strap it in good! that's another thing that helped my daughter in her accident. We never went gentle on installing it. You should have NO movement with it while its in and empty.. and that means trying to force it around. The cars seat should be compressed with the empty weight of the childs seat on it.
+1 To That, great advice!!

Even the best car seat poorly install is worse than the most dangerous perfectly installed.

I will retell one thing. NO MOVEMENT in car seat at all!!! That the most important thing in this thread.
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Old 12-27-2011, 02:39 PM   #15
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I have a Recaro for my kid and I love it, very secure
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Old 12-27-2011, 03:16 PM   #16
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I am a father of 3 kids, including twins. I've had all brands of car seats, and it really varies from models to models. What i like best is when you can ajust the height of the straps without taking the seat out of the car. If you have, or plan to have more then one kid, the footprint of the seat is also important. Trying to fit 3 seats in a impreza, you need to chose them as narrow as possible. Sunshine kids makes great seats that you can carry around easily.

We totalled our 2007 Nissan Quest in an accident. One of my kid was in a eddie bauer, another one in a sunshine radian, and the last one in a graco, the 3 kids were safe and sound.
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Old 12-27-2011, 03:46 PM   #17
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http://www.babyage.com/brands/evenfl...seat-79886.htm

This is what we have now.. externally adjustable straps, plenty of removable padding for when they grow up.. the recline feature really doesn't work at all, in the full recline the kid is still almost 100% upright. But she falls asleep in it easily and if we bring it in the house, she has fun sitting in it and buckling herself up.. then asking for help to get out lol..

it is a seat on the bigger side, but i don't plan on having more than one seat in the car , and this sits in the middle so we figured to get something big and comfy, same brand as the one before that protected her nicely.


This is what she thinks of dads driving I'm 6' and we have room for it in our '03. But she puts her feet on our seat backs if she wants. Notice in the last pic - USE THE HOOKS! there is one in the back on the roof of the wagon that our seat attaches too.


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Old 12-27-2011, 05:03 PM   #18
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^ha ha, those last two pictures are great^
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Old 12-27-2011, 05:43 PM   #19
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Great picture!!! Your girl seem very comfortable. Nice shoe!!
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Old 12-27-2011, 06:47 PM   #20
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I did TONS of research before purchasing a replacement for or Chicco Key Fit 30, which is what our son was in at first. The Chicco is extremely easy to install, and the carrier is removable very easily. Perfect for a newborn-1yr old!
I did give consideration to Consumer Reports ratings, but not a ton. Never been a big believer. After all of my research, I narrowed my choices down to Britax and Recaro, and went to a place that carried both with my son. He just fit better in the Recaro in my opinion, and it seemed extremely sturdy and safe, plus had gotten many positive reviews. So I bought it.

While I do not regret my purchase, let me caution you that getting it installed rear facing is an absolute PITA, especially in the middle. You will need to order the metal clip necessary to secure the seat belt because you CANNOT use the latch system in the center of a Subaru. Recaro does not include it, but will send it to you free of charge. I actually went to a certified installer after my frustration trying to get this thing in, and it was still a pain. Once it was in, I never took it out until we turned him around, probably a bit early at 15 months.

My wife had her mind made up on a Britax based on a friends recommendation, so I went with her to a store that again had both, and she still chose the Britax. Let me just say this- I love the look of the Recaro, and it does seem a bit safer because of the head support, but the Britax is the clear winner when it comes to ease of installation. I had NO problems installing it both rear and front facing. They are also the only company that gives you the ability to utilize the tether attachment when rear facing. The build quality is top notch, it just does not have that race seat appearance of the Recaro which makes it appear safer. I hope I never have to find out about either.

So, for what it's worth, I say you cannot go wrong with either the Britax or Recaro, but I would probably recommend the Britax for most people simply because you have a much better chance of actually getting it in correctly, and that is the most important aspect of safety...
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Had an even-flo with our son, never had problems with it, but fortunately never had to test how safe it was. Just had our daughter - x-mas baby! She is going into a britax, in the middle of either car (my wife has a VW Tiguan and it's becoming our primary family car). Thing I like most about the current generation of car seats (we had our kids 12 years apart) is that now you can just buy a base on top of you infant car seat. No more trying to move seats back and forth or having to get multiple seats. I had to buy 3 for our son - my car, wife's car, grandma's car.....
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Old 12-28-2011, 09:12 AM   #22
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So all these car seats,different brands and all,got a ?In a event of a accident do these car seats get thrown away right after.One time deal with them I heard they might stretch or crack,or the have stress cracks that are for impact.Just want to clarify that they should be thrown out and never used again right?Or if someone can post a pic of a tag or booklet.
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So all these car seats,different brands and all,got a ?In a event of a accident do these car seats get thrown away right after.One time deal with them I heard they might stretch or crack,or the have stress cracks that are for impact.Just want to clarify that they should be thrown out and never used again right?Or if someone can post a pic of a tag or booklet.
As far as I know, that's the case - they are good for one accident, then you are supposed to replace them. When filing the claim, you just explain that there was a kiddo in a carseat and that it needs replacing, and they will reimburse you for the replacement. The reason you replace is that the energy absorbing aspects of the carseat can be damaged, and it isn't immediately apparent (sort of like a bicycle helmet - you can crack the styrofoam, but not have it fall apart - so it will still work as a helmet, until you smack it again at which point it's ability to protect has been compromised and it won't do it's job as well)
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I'm not a dad (yet or That I know about) but I am a FF/Paramedic and replacing the car seat after an accidents, even a small one, is paramount. You guys hit the nail on the head. The seats can develop stress cracks from impacts that are not visible to the naked eye. Insurance companies will cover the cost of the replacement seat, so do it. NEVER reuse a seat that's been in an accident. We actually go a step farther and, should we obtain any car seats, we cut them apart to assure someone doesn't pluck them out of the garbage and use them.
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Sorry, not valid anymore

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