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Old 01-11-2012, 02:29 PM   #51
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Well your looking at the shots of the veloster and the Sonata I shot last year when it came out. This one belonged to a magazine for a long term test car, I was putting miles on it while visiting the rents for the holidays



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Old 01-11-2012, 03:38 PM   #52
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I'm looking at test driving a Sonata Turbo. Driven the Hybrid. Impressions Mopho?
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Old 01-11-2012, 03:48 PM   #53
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say goodbye to projected BRZ sales!
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Old 01-11-2012, 04:11 PM   #54
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say goodbye to projected BRZ sales!
Why? RWD vs FWD. I'd take the RWD over FWD in this day and age... the BRZ is alo lighter, and you don't have to wait for boost to spool.

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Old 01-11-2012, 04:12 PM   #55
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say goodbye to projected BRZ sales!
If this fits your wants better than the BRZ, RWD would be wasted on you anyway.
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Old 01-11-2012, 04:23 PM   #56
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That's why I don't get NASIOC these days. Hyundai builds a Veloster Turbo which is basically just a funky looking MINI Cooper S competitor but with inferior underpinnings and lackluster driving reviews, and it's the greatest thing since sliced bread.


Subaru builds a sports car (for the first time ever) that's very lightweight for this day & age, has the most powerful NA 4 cylinder Subaru has ever produced, has some solid, proven underpinnings, has a very nice transmission and a real LSD (not to be confused with the viscous crap on the WRXs all those years) and a price that's very affordable... .. not to mention glowing reviews for it being one of the purest driving experiences this side of a Lotus...


... and there's nothing but bitching.
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Old 01-11-2012, 04:51 PM   #57
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That's why I don't get NASIOC these days. Hyundai builds a Veloster Turbo which is basically just a funky looking MINI Cooper S competitor but with inferior underpinnings and lackluster driving reviews, and it's the greatest thing since sliced bread.


Subaru builds a sports car (for the first time ever) that's very lightweight for this day & age, has the most powerful NA 4 cylinder Subaru has ever produced, has some solid, proven underpinnings, has a very nice transmission and a real LSD (not to be confused with the viscous crap on the WRXs all those years) and a price that's very affordable... .. not to mention glowing reviews for it being one of the purest driving experiences this side of a Lotus...


... and there's nothing but bitching.
Annnnd that pretty much sums it up!
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Old 01-11-2012, 04:52 PM   #58
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Old 01-11-2012, 04:54 PM   #59
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say goodbye to projected BRZ sales!
seriously?!
you must be a magazine racer.
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Old 01-11-2012, 05:04 PM   #60
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I'm looking at test driving a Sonata Turbo. Driven the Hybrid. Impressions Mopho?
I will have to keep impressions to myself

I will say that I'd be all over a Sonata Turbo Wagon if there was one



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say goodbye to projected BRZ sales!
Not really cars that would be cross shopped. The GenCoupe is more a competitor for the BRZ but it is a lot bigger and more of a GT car



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Hyundai builds a Veloster Turbo which is basically just a funky looking MINI Cooper S competitor but with inferior underpinnings and lackluster driving reviews, and it's the greatest thing since sliced bread.
What lackluster driving reviews? No one has driven it yet

BRZ is going to appeal to more hardcore enthusiasts than any of the Hyundai's and Hyundai isn't really after that kind of buyer anyway at this point.
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Old 01-11-2012, 11:03 PM   #61
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Old 01-11-2012, 11:21 PM   #62
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What lackluster driving reviews? No one has driven it yet
I was getting my Veloster trim levels mixed up (possibly on purpose). The standard Veloster is apparently very softly sprung but it's getting mixed comments because some reviewers seem to be confusing a lightweight car's tossability with good suspension response.

*edit: That said, I drove it (the Veloster Turbo) in Forza 4 and thought that it sucked... so there.
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BRZ is going to appeal to more hardcore enthusiasts than any of the Hyundai's and Hyundai isn't really after that kind of buyer anyway at this point.
That's what drives me nuts.. NASIOC, for the most part, is convinced that 'turbo' = 'enthusiast model'.
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Old 01-12-2012, 03:09 PM   #63
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Why? RWD vs FWD. I'd take the RWD over FWD in this day and age... the BRZ is alo lighter, and you don't have to wait for boost to spool.

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seriously?!
you must be a magazine racer.
3 somewhat harsh replies, sounds like I almost insulted your Mothers... lol.
I prefer the BRZ myself and I'm not crazy or a magazine racer but I guarantee a lot of people will cross-shop these two- just like the WRX gets cross shopped with the Genesis Coupe or the Mustang (no logical reason, but it does). You guys forget that the average car buyer is FAR LESS car savvy than some people are here. If I did not know any better, I would be thinking: what fun sporty car I can get for 20-25k these days? And guess what, these 2 would be on the list...

Funny story: last week I was at a subaru dealership for service, in the display room a guy is looking at the new 2012 impreza. He is opening the trunk of a 4 door model and asks: is this the hatchback? <- this is your average car buyer. So all the rhetoric and mechanical details in the world that differentiate BRZ from the Veloster T are not relevant to him.
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Old 01-12-2012, 04:16 PM   #64
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DI and turbo? Prepare for some serious gunk on your intake valves unless this comes with catch can as a OEM.

but i do agree, BRZ will be a faaaaar superior choice...

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Old 01-12-2012, 09:05 PM   #65
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Hyundai is coming on up. Nice
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Old 01-12-2012, 10:41 PM   #66
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DI and turbo? Prepare for some serious gunk on your intake valves unless this comes with catch can as a OEM.

but i do agree, BRZ will be a faaaaar superior choice...
Not if they retain the dual port/DI...
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Why? RWD vs FWD. I'd take the RWD over FWD in this day and age... the BRZ is alo lighter, and you don't have to wait for boost to spool.

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3 somewhat harsh replies, sounds like I almost insulted your Mothers... lol.
You were coddled too much as a child if you believe my reply was harsh.

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Old 01-13-2012, 07:39 AM   #68
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You were coddled too much as a child if you believe my reply was harsh.

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You are right, yours was non-harmful.
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Old 01-13-2012, 10:37 AM   #69
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That's why I don't get NASIOC these days. Hyundai builds a Veloster Turbo which is basically just a funky looking MINI Cooper S competitor but with inferior underpinnings and lackluster driving reviews, and it's the greatest thing since sliced bread.


Subaru builds a sports car (for the first time ever) that's very lightweight for this day & age, has the most powerful NA 4 cylinder Subaru has ever produced, has some solid, proven underpinnings, has a very nice transmission and a real LSD (not to be confused with the viscous crap on the WRXs all those years) and a price that's very affordable... .. not to mention glowing reviews for it being one of the purest driving experiences this side of a Lotus...


... and there's nothing but bitching.
This one is called "TURBO" and there's stitching on the seats to prove it. You can't beat Turbo, no matter what you bring. This is what Turbo thinks of your BRZ:


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Old 01-13-2012, 01:53 PM   #70
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If it is anything like the Sonata Turbo, performance won't live up to the HP numbers and the gas mileage won't live up to the EPA numbers.
I still take Motor Trend's words with a grain of salt. Remember, Toyota pays them plenty of $$$ for advertising.

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I just had a Sonata Turbo on loan to me for a road trip and perhaps the numbers on paper aren't impressive but it sure takes off when you put your foot down to pass or from a roll. It is more than fast enough

I also got 33.4mpg (EPA is 34mpg) highway and that was with it loaded up with the family and driving driving at 80mph with a few jaunts to 100. I am also notoriously a mileage killer with my driving so I was surprised



Edit to add: Car and Driver got 0-60 in 6.5 and 1/4 mile at 14.9 @ 97mph. That is not exactly slow for a big sedan that is not meant to be all that sporty
I can agree with this having driven the Kia Optima Turbo (essentially the same car). From a roll the Optima T is faster than I even remember my LGT 5MT being. I was extremely impressed.

Its worth the test drive
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/\/\/\ fortunately there is more to a car than just straight line acceleration or acceleration from the roll, otherwise we would all be driving american slushboxes
you want to be uber fast from the light? Go ahead. I'll take my crisp handling BRZ to have fun from driving and not just accelerating.
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I will have to keep impressions to myself

I will say that I'd be all over a Sonata Turbo Wagon if there was one
You basically want an i40 wagon then. I'd consider one if they brought it over from Europe.



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/\/\ there is already one sold by toyota (Venza)
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People hear "turbo" and they cream.
Then I think "turbo lag" and I scream!
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Old 01-18-2012, 04:29 PM   #75
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Not really cars that would be cross shopped. The GenCoupe is more a competitor for the BRZ but it is a lot bigger and more of a GT car
The Gencoupe and the BRZ aren't even remotely comparable. The Gencoupe is a midsize car. I believe the buzz/marketing term is "Pony car." Midsize car with above average power.

I haven't seen a single positive complement for the Veloster's handling. And from what I read in the article they weren't changing the suspension, possibly misunderstood. I'd rather have a Focus hatch.
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