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Old 01-20-2012, 11:32 PM   #2301
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The only US fuel that would work is the low ash 94 octane sunoco available in some parts of the country. Or, MS100 or MS103 which is sold at the pump. Other then that, Running these motors on US fuel is not a good idea. I had the luxury of datalogging a V7 JDM STI all stock on japanese fuel and even 93 octane wont produce the results. I have tuned and datalogged dozens and dozens of V7 and V8 JDM motors on 93. Dont do it.

At a minimimum, You will be at reduced power and at worst case, you pop the motor. I have seen about a dozen toasted V7's and V8s in the last 10 years from shenagans like that.

And there is no reason to really. Since my maps where ripped off and posted as someone elses work, you can download some of them for free now.
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Old 01-20-2012, 11:45 PM   #2302
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This is fine with me and I am not doing this because I am trying to counter you, or negate your experience with so many of these engines.

I also have seen with my own eyes the differences in the timing and AVCS maps, as compared with the USDM Sti maps. There is a reason for that, it may be the fuel, maybe California fuel compliance, one can only speculate.
Not to mention that USDM Sti stock seem to have problems and in the past have knocked.

I am trying however to run the paper trail, to find out what these cars are designed to run on.
In this day and age, the facts can be established, no speculation is necessary.
In my research, the previous post, I am not typing my opinion, I am only bringing facts. You don't have to believe me, just click on the link and use google or bing translator.

I also have a 2005 Spec C owner's manual in pdf in japanese that I'm trying to translate, but bing does not take my paste from PDF right now.
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Old 01-20-2012, 11:52 PM   #2303
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This is fine with me and I am not doing this because I am trying to counter you, or negate your experience with so many of these engines.

I also have seen with my own eyes the differences in the timing and AVCS maps, as compared with the USDM Sti maps. There is a reason for that, it may be the fuel, maybe California fuel compliance, one can only speculate.
Not to mention that USDM Sti stock seem to have problems and in the past have knocked.

I am trying however to run the paper trail, to find out what these cars are designed to run on.
In this day and age, the facts can be established, no speculation is necessary.
In my research, the previous post, I am not typing my opinion, I am only bringing facts. You don't have to believe me, just click on the link and use google or bing translator.

I also have a 2005 Spec C owner's manual in pdf in japanese that I'm trying to translate, but bing does not take my paste from PDF right now.
Hey vlad i have a few friends in japan that speak and write both english if you would like you email the pdf file and i could give it a shot with getting it translated over to english?
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Old 01-21-2012, 03:29 AM   #2304
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I had he same problem. I assume the hole is from the engine bolts That damaged the intercoooler during shipping.

U shld be fine tho.
You would think they would learn not to put the intercooler there, had the same thing happen with mine. Luckily they replaced it right away with no problems.
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Old 01-21-2012, 10:34 AM   #2305
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So after looking over the engine closely it appears there are a number of issues.
The IC, which should be remedied easily, has at least two holes in it.

Also, he said the engine had about 30k miles on it. No freakin' way. My engine, at 240k, looks brand new compared to this one. It's got at least three separate oil leaks, power steering leak and every air hose is rock solid, they will all need to be replaced.

It's heavily oxidized and looks like its been sitting in a barn for the last four years. I imagine most of the exposed seals will be toast as well.

Also, all of the timing covers are broken, every one of them has at least one crack. Some have gaping holes in the.

Can these be replaced without taking off the cam sprockets? Looks like the rear covers require their removal. And from what I've read, that is not any easy task.

Is this typical condition for these engines ? Am I being too critical?

Also, since it is a spec C, what do I have over a regular version 8? I can't seem to find much on the v8 spec c, v7 lots of info.

I am really disappointed with the condition of the engine, I was expecting something like they show on their web page.
I will most likely ship it back, at my dime I assume, and go with a different vendor.
The guy I dealt with was absolutely impossible to communicate with.

Any suggestions?
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Old 01-21-2012, 10:45 AM   #2306
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Mine had an outer cover crack and a power steering leak. I also got a lesser older intercooler and downpipe.
But none of that bothered me, as everything else was awesome.

Did you get a compression test done? It should be done with engine hot, but you'll get a good indication even cold, look for differences.
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Old 01-21-2012, 10:52 AM   #2307
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I just started reaserching getting my hands on a ej207, who are good people to buy from? This is my biggest concern right now.
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Old 01-21-2012, 11:03 AM   #2308
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So after looking over the engine closely it appears there are a number of issues.
The IC, which should be remedied easily, has at least two holes in it.

Also, he said the engine had about 30k miles on it. No freakin' way. My engine, at 240k, looks brand new compared to this one. It's got at least three separate oil leaks, power steering leak and every air hose is rock solid, they will all need to be replaced.

It's heavily oxidized and looks like its been sitting in a barn for the last four years. I imagine most of the exposed seals will be toast as well.

Also, all of the timing covers are broken, every one of them has at least one crack. Some have gaping holes in the.

Can these be replaced without taking off the cam sprockets? Looks like the rear covers require their removal. And from what I've read, that is not any easy task.

Is this typical condition for these engines ? Am I being too critical?

Also, since it is a spec C, what do I have over a regular version 8? I can't seem to find much on the v8 spec c, v7 lots of info.

I am really disappointed with the condition of the engine, I was expecting something like they show on their web page.
I will most likely ship it back, at my dime I assume, and go with a different vendor.
The guy I dealt with was absolutely impossible to communicate with.

Any suggestions?
I was told the easiest way to "date" a motor was by the writing on the timing belt.

If its still mostly legibly 30k miles
If its legible but hard to read 60k
If the writing is barely there 90k
If its gone 120k plus.

Oh, and I would go with an ebay auction, where they actually show the motor. One of them was out of Canada and Had a branch in Richmond VA. Spoke English, nice to deal with.

These were the guys.

http://www.jspecauto.com/ContactUs.aspx

Good luck!

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Old 01-21-2012, 11:07 AM   #2309
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Thanks for the link-it actually looks like it is just a plain STI TS to me.....? So if its a 2003, isn't that a v7?

The thing that pisses me off the most is that I told him over and over again that I was willing to pay up to $1000 more to get the cleanest, lowest mileage engine possible.

I will hold out on final judgement after some finality, but so far I am not impressed and extremely disappointed.

Looks like this will probably end up costing me some dough, not to mention the time to ship it back and find another vendor if they are not willing to work with me.
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Old 01-21-2012, 11:09 AM   #2310
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The timing cover paper label was barely legible and half of it was missing.
I could not make out all of the numbers, only the first few.

The more I research the more I feel like I got taken badly.
This sucks.
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Old 01-21-2012, 11:38 AM   #2311
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The timing cover paper label was barely legible and half of it was missing.
I could not make out all of the numbers, only the first few.

The more I research the more I feel like I got taken badly.
This sucks.
Not the cover. Pop off the cover... look at the writing on the timing belt itself.
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Old 01-21-2012, 11:39 AM   #2312
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If you want a manufacturing date look inside to oil cap...... The "0?" will be the year and the other two numbers will be the month and day of finished assembly. Many times the motors are a year before the production release of the car. I have 2 04 STi motors and the caps are 03-09-30 & 03-11-08

....this is all if the caps are the originals??
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Old 01-21-2012, 11:58 AM   #2313
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Ah, the belt itself. I will check that when I get home later today.

The hoses take a lot of mileage and time to harden to the point of cracking, not 30k miles. These hoses are ready to break they are so hard and brittle.

I spoke with the vendor and he wants pictures, which only tell so much, I mean I bought it based on the pictures, they don't show the oil leaks, cracked/broken timing covers,hole in ic, the actual date of the build,and hoses that are rock solid and need replacing. Not to mention all of the rust and oxidation.

My engine, with 240k, looks years newer than what I got.

I really hope they fix this.

But honestly, I would not buy anything from them again. Or at least not buy from that particular salesman, if I'm spending $4k, I expect, at the very least, someone to listen to me and not talk over me (thats a whole other story.)
I will cut my losses and start over.
Pisses me off, because I knew when I was working with that salesman that I would have problems, just got in a rush and hoped the reviews would hold true.
Jury is still out, I'll let everyone know when things are settled.

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Old 01-21-2012, 05:06 PM   #2314
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Thanks for the link-it actually looks like it is just a plain STI TS to me.....? So if its a 2003, isn't that a v7?

The thing that pisses me off the most is that I told him over and over again that I was willing to pay up to $1000 more to get the cleanest, lowest mileage engine possible.

I will hold out on final judgement after some finality, but so far I am not impressed and extremely disappointed.

Looks like this will probably end up costing me some dough, not to mention the time to ship it back and find another vendor if they are not willing to work with me.
You have Ver8 Twin Scroll Spec C. You should have an IHI VF36 ball bearing turbo, instead of the Standard IHI VF37 thrust bearing turbo.

JDM model years go like this MY01-02 = Ver7. MY03-04 = Ver8. MY05-06 = Ver9. Those are the 6 years the GD chassis was produced.
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Old 01-21-2012, 05:38 PM   #2315
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Kayan,
I'm looking at the chart and I don't see that its a spec c, I see it being regular STI, am I looking at it right?
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Old 01-21-2012, 05:44 PM   #2316
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I'm looking at the chart and I don't see that its a spec c, I see it being regular STI, am I looking at it right?
You said its an EJ207DW5CR correct? If so, the CR at the end represents a Spec C.
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Old 01-21-2012, 06:16 PM   #2317
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Ok, I was just looking up the code with he table and it just says regular STI.
I will check the turbo to verify.
Were there other differences? I though I read where the Spec C's got a hand ported job from the factory?

If this is a high mileage spec c, would you keep it over a low mileage "run of the mill" jdm STI?

It also has what looks to be very professionally installed oil temp and oil pressure sending units in a sandwich adapter at the oil filter.

Thanks for any input.
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Old 01-21-2012, 06:22 PM   #2318
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Nope, says vf37.
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Old 01-21-2012, 07:42 PM   #2319
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Post some pictures, including of what bothers you with this engine.
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According to this quote.....
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I was told the easiest way to "date" a motor was by the writing on the timing belt.

If its still mostly legibly 30k miles
If its legible but hard to read 60k
If the writing is barely there 90k
If its gone 120k plus.
Here's a picture of the writing on the timing belt, yes the writing is there, look closely, it's just that bad.



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You be the judge....
I'm guessing 100K or more...
And I paid almost $4k, and it's in worse condition than my 240K mile WRX.

More pictures to follow.

BTW - I am sending this same message and this thread to the vendor so he can see the input from other Subaru people.
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Hey guys got a question when swapping to a jdm sti 6speed what all is needed to do the swap?
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Old 01-22-2012, 09:48 AM   #2322
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You be the judge....
I'm guessing 100K or more...
And I paid almost $4k, and it's in worse condition than my 240K mile WRX.

More pictures to follow.
You cant go by the look of the print. 100k is alot of circling around Japan. Probably a commercial vehicle would take years to rack up that mileage around the islands.
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Old 01-22-2012, 10:28 AM   #2323
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According to this quote.....

Here's a picture of the writing on the timing belt, yes the writing is there, look closely, it's just that bad.



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You be the judge....
I'm guessing 100K or more...
And I paid almost $4k, and it's in worse condition than my 240K mile WRX.

More pictures to follow.

BTW - I am sending this same message and this thread to the vendor so he can see the input from other Subaru people.
Based on the quote you posted I would say 30-60k miles. But I find 100k highly unlikely.
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Based on the quote you posted I would say 30-60k miles. But I find 100k highly unlikely.
I was told that formula by the guys over @ http://www.iaperformance.com/

Perhaps you can take a super high res photo and send it to them to date.

But seeing as I can make out the writing but its almost gone I would say it lands in the 60-90k range... but I am far from an expert.

This was the reason I ended up staying USDM, well that and my prodrive kit sets me almost equal footing with the v8.

And I was able to get a full drivetrain for the same price.
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Old 01-22-2012, 02:48 PM   #2325
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If you guys could see it in person and compare it to my 240k mile engine, you would say mine has less mileage, not even close.

I'll be doing a compression test today as well.

What about the hoses that are rock solid?
Mine took about 150k miles to harden to the same level as these hoses on the 207. You can see cracks and leaks where these hardened hoses are cracking already.
Do you think they could harden like that in only 30k miles?

I'm going to try and get my buddy who is a reputable tuner to come by and give a second opinion, maybe I'm just too critical, maybe this is what they all look like?

But still, this engine looks horrible.

When I say my 240k mile engine looks years newer I am not exagejerating.

Thanks for your opinions, input is appreciated
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