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Old 11-14-2011, 06:16 PM   #26
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Some more progress; the interior needs finishing at this point. Then we pop in the windows and a few other things, and....

I wasn't sure if I really wanted to post this, since I'm sure the new interior design will be as polarizing as the car itself, but I'm excited with the way it is turning out. Another benefit is that there is a lot more usable surface area with this change:

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Looks to be based on your mock-up:

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-u...wInterior1.jpg

Are you going with that gauge configuration or are you going to try something else?
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Old 11-15-2011, 12:43 PM   #27
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Are you going with that gauge configuration or are you going to try something else?
I'm not sure...the new interior shape actually opened up a lot more space than I expected. I want to see how the gauges look and size up first.
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Old 11-15-2011, 04:21 PM   #28
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Mike the car looks great! I cannot wait to see it again
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Old 11-15-2011, 08:47 PM   #29
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Yeah, I had always planned for headlight covers--didn't really like the look of the "naked" eyes.

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I hadn't even considered that they are not standard. Seems like they would be a must. Where I live the lights would definitely need the protection.
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Old 11-15-2011, 09:07 PM   #30
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MSC is using 600mm wide HDi FMICs. I believe these are tube-and-fin rather than bar-and-plate. There is some discussion of the pros and cons here: http://www.iwsti.com/forums/2-5-lite...ercoolers.html

Given the mild FMIC protection that is provided with the Murtaya, what is the consensus on which type is preferred for this car? Do the Rally and/or Rally Works have greater protection?

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Old 11-16-2011, 06:21 PM   #31
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Mike the car looks great! I cannot wait to see it again
And I can't wait for you guys to see it again--because among other things, it will mean that it's almost done. Hopefully, it should look a LOT better than the last time you guys saw it (I can't wait to see your new location, too).

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I hadn't even considered that they are not standard. Seems like they would be a must. Where I live the lights would definitely need the protection.
It's funny--the light covers didn't come out until recently--years after the car was released.

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MSC is using 600mm wide HDi FMICs. I believe these are tube-and-fin rather than bar-and-plate. There is some discussion of the pros and cons here: http://www.iwsti.com/forums/2-5-lite...ercoolers.html

Given the mild FMIC protection that is provided with the Murtaya, what is the consensus on which type is preferred for this car? Do the Rally and/or Rally Works have greater protection?
I think the Rally and Rally Works specs are fairly new (they came with MSC); I'm not sure if they offer any more intercooler protection (or even skid plates in general, etc.). The lightweight characteristic of the intercooler is probably a big plus for the Murtaya, since it is already somewhat nose-heavy. I don't know if anybody has had issues with the intercooler protection; I know several Murtayas have been out on the gravel roads doing fine (not to mention video of a particular one that has even been used as a snow plow....).



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Old 11-17-2011, 08:00 AM   #33
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Dimensional data on the Murtaya, in case anyone is interested--received third-hand:

Dimensions:
L 149.6” (3800mm)
W 67.0” (1703mm)
H 44.0” (1220mm) to top of hard top
H 43.7” (1110mm) to top of roll bar

Approximate monocoque chassis weight (sans subframe):
FRP: 484 lbs (220kg)
CF: 264-286 lbs (120-130kg)
Difference: 198-220 lbs (90-100kg)

Murtaya chassis torsional ridigity:
FRP: 17,176 Nm/deg
Carbon: 19,752-20,611 Nm/deg (est.)

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Old 12-07-2011, 01:32 PM   #34
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Old 12-17-2011, 04:54 PM   #35
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How much has this project costed you so far? I think this would be a sweet change to my STi (except with silver paint instead of black).
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Old 12-17-2011, 10:38 PM   #36
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How much has this project costed you so far? I think this would be a sweet change to my STi (except with silver paint instead of black).
I'd love to see a dark silver/gray version. I think the closest they have is the New Zealand demo, which is very dark charcoal:



The original demo car started off as silver:


And some other people got silver versions (for some reason this one was built with its hood vents reversed):



I haven't been keeping an exact amount (well, I do have records of everything, but haven't put them all together, mainly for reasons of sanity)...but I'd estimate at least the cost of a GT-R or even a ZR1 by now. But then again, I've personally decided to have a few powertrains put in and the body rebuilt because of all the drama it's seen in the years trying to get it over here and together.



It's also been one of the first ones put together and the first one to the US, so the learning process really starts adding up the cost. In the ideal world, a regular Murtaya put together today would be about a third of what I've gone through (and ready a lot sooner). Realistically, and with the new company, I'm guessing it might be half, but it really depends on a bunch of things:
  • Who is putting it together (You? Specialists who know Subarus? etc.)
  • Where are you getting the donor car?
  • How are you getting it over here?
It's why I gave the 818 guys a warning of expect to pay 2-3 times your original budget, to be absolutely sure you won't go over.

For anybody wanting to get one into the US, I would strongly suggest ordering the kit and having it put together over here (whether by yourself or somebody else), and using a US donor. There are a few things you might have to tweak (like the dash around the taller gauges, etc.), but overall, it would have been a LOT easier, cheaper, and faster for me to get mine going had I done that from the start. The half USDM/half EDM engine, the multiple donors (Japanese, German, etc. STis), and even the engine tuning done in the UK were the biggest pain points.

It sounds like the new company (MSC) is charging a bit more for the kit than the original company (AMS), but I'm guessing the pricing is a bit more realistic, especially considering the current economic conditions, which didn't help AMS's situation.

If you REALLY knew your stuff, if you were doing all the work yourself, and you had access to a cheap donor, then you could probably get it done for a little over the kit price...and the companies that sell kits (MSC, FFR, etc.) always want to stress the lowest possible price you could get it done for, but I'd budget at least twice the price (if not more) to be safe.

I think this is one of those cars that you really gotta want to have--otherwise you'd probably be better off getting a standard production supercar like a GT-R or Z06. But I've fallen in love, and I love the idea of being one of the only (actually, one of two) cars of a kind driving around in the States, having a lightweight, sporty, powerful, and AWD car, and having even avid car enthusiests not having a clue what just drove by. I think I would have honestly been personally bored with a Vette or GT-R by now--because, although having incredible performance, they're still relatively common, and you won't always be able to use all their performance all the time. Just driving a rare car around should be a pleasure--and it will have performance to boot, too. Then again, I could very well just be insane?

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Old 12-18-2011, 05:19 PM   #37
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I'd love to see a dark silver/gray version. I think the closest they have is the New Zealand demo, which is very dark charcoal...
That color reminds me of DGM, but does not look too bad on that car. In my part of the country silver would be an injustice to the Murtaya since every other car on the road is silver.
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I haven't been keeping an exact amount (well, I do have records of everything, but haven't put them all together, mainly for reasons of sanity)...but I'd estimate at least the cost of a GT-R or even a ZR1 by now. But then again, I've personally decided to have a few powertrains put in and the body rebuilt because of all the drama it's seen in the years trying to get it over here and together.



It's also been one of the first ones put together and the first one to the US, so the learning process really starts adding up the cost. In the ideal world, a regular Murtaya put together today would be about a third of what I've gone through (and ready a lot sooner). Realistically, and with the new company, I'm guessing it might be half, but it really depends on a bunch of things:
  • Who is putting it together (You? Specialists who know Subarus? etc.)
  • Where are you getting the donor car?
  • How are you getting it over here?
It's why I gave the 818 guys a warning of expect to pay 2-3 times your original budget, to be absolutely sure you won't go over.

For anybody wanting to get one into the US, I would strongly suggest ordering the kit and having it put together over here (whether by yourself or somebody else), and using a US donor. There are a few things you might have to tweak (like the dash around the taller gauges, etc.), but overall, it would have been a LOT easier, cheaper, and faster for me to get mine going had I done that from the start. The half USDM/half EDM engine, the multiple donors (Japanese, German, etc. STis), and even the engine tuning done in the UK were the biggest pain points.

It sounds like the new company (MSC) is charging a bit more for the kit than the original company (AMS), but I'm guessing the pricing is a bit more realistic, especially considering the current economic conditions, which didn't help AMS's situation.

If you REALLY knew your stuff, if you were doing all the work yourself, and you had access to a cheap donor, then you could probably get it done for a little over the kit price...and the companies that sell kits (MSC, FFR, etc.) always want to stress the lowest possible price you could get it done for, but I'd budget at least twice the price (if not more) to be safe.

I think this is one of those cars that you really gotta want to have--otherwise you'd probably be better off getting a standard production supercar like a GT-R or Z06.
One would hope that some of the things to which you alluded above would probably not apply to an MSC car since they have supposedly ironed out some of the kinks that AMS suffered from.

However, in the US a buyer is looking at $20,140 (at today's exchange rate) for the most basic kit, the "R" model. The "RT" is $25,672, which includes the spring roll bar, AST coilovers (though this might be standard), and HDi FMIC, and brake calipers no one with a GD STI donor car would want. So probably no less than $30,000 with the necessary mechanicals, assuming a GD donor--for a car that would then have to completely built by the owner. Having not done this myself, I could not guess how much more would need to be spent to get the car to a finished state.

trollarc, the impression I have gotten is that MSC is eager to sell into the US market. The problem is that there is no appreciable market for AWD performance cars in the US.

FWIW, MSC does offer a rolling chassis as well as a turn-key. The starting price for the latter is $45,853.

Another thing to consider when deciding what level of build to get from MSC is how you ultimately plan to handle engine management. The reason this should be considered from the beginning is that MSC can source EDM (of course) and JDM donors, which could be of interest if (and only if) you plan on using open source tuning. As Hiryu mentioned, he ended up changing drivetrains. He got a USDM engine and changed the car's wiring harness to USDM as well. But I think that if you planned on going with open source tuning from the beginning, the opportunity for, say, a JDM 2.0L or 2.2L build--complete with matching wiring harness--might be worth considering. My guess is that mating a USDM ECU with an EDM or JDM harness could create uncertainties that you might never be able to work out. MSC claim, though, that they can combine the two successfully. Hiryu might be able to provide greater clarity on this subject, but I cannot think of why open source tuning a EDM or JDM engine would be any more difficult than tuning a USDM engine, provided that the ECU was plugged into its intended wiring harness.
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Old 12-23-2011, 04:41 PM   #38
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I've not heard a bad thing about MSC yet--In fact, they've even bent over backwards to help people who had been stuck in the aftermath of AMS stopping trade--even though they had no obligation to.

I'm not sure how easy it would be to mix/match USDM and EDM engines with ECUs...They had actually managed to combine EDM and USDM engine components with stand alone EM on my car. The problem was that the EM is really only used and known to European tuners; US tuners don't seem to know anything about it (and while the plan was for one of the head tuners of the system to come over to tune the car using US gas, after it was assembled, etc., that didn't work out. hence the USDM stuff).

I'd say that assembling the car represents a large enough task in itself, and it might be a good idea to keep the engine variable parts of the equation as simple as possible until you get the rest of the car together and broken in.

As a side note, I did hear a while ago about the possibility of another Murtaya being sold to somebody in California, though I don't know what the status of that is......

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I've not heard a bad thing about MSC yet--In fact, they've even bent over backwards to help people who had been stuck in the aftermath of AMS stopping trade--even though they had no obligation to.
I have heard this from multiple sources. MSC seem to be better business people. I just hope the company is doing OK, given the economy. I need them to last long enough for me to possibly get my car.

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I'm not sure how easy it would be to mix/match USDM and EDM engines with ECUs...They had actually managed to combine EDM and USDM engine components with stand alone EM on my car. The problem was that the EM is really only used and known to European tuners; US tuners don't seem to know anything about it (and while the plan was for one of the head tuners of the system to come over to tune the car using US gas, after it was assembled, etc., that didn't work out. hence the USDM stuff).
As you suggest, mixing and matching sounds like a bad idea altogether for a US-bound car, despite MSC's confidence in their abilities. And the SimTek standalone ECU, which they seem to prefer, would ultimately be a headache for anyone in the US. As long as open source tuning is to be done, a non-hybrid wiring harness along with matching OEM ECU from any market--USDM, JDM, EDM--should work just fine for a turn-key or rolling chassis.
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I'd say that assembling the car represents a large enough task in itself, and it might be a good idea to keep the engine variable parts of the equation as simple as possible until you get the rest of the car together and broken in.
You speak the truth. For me just getting all the single-donor gear, including the OEM USDM ECU working again after transferring it to a Murtaya would be enough of a challenge.
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As a side note, I did hear a while ago about the possibility of another Murtaya being sold to somebody in California, though I don't know what the status of that is......
Long enough ago to be an Adrenaline car? I would like to hear about this person's experiences thus far. In my research I have communicated with the owner of every Murtaya known to be in North America (you, Will, and Jay). and several in Europe. Each new source of info has been a big help.
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Long enough ago to be an Adrenaline car? I would like to hear about this person's experiences thus far. In my research I have communicated with the owner of every Murtaya known to be in North America (you, Will, and Jay). and several in Europe. Each new source of info has been a big help.
Nope, this was recent--Graham (or Andy?) from MSC told me about it. They might know more, or it might have fallen through, or the owner might be wanting to stay anonymous (which might explain why the usually tight-knit Murtaya owner group hasn't heard of/from him)...

As a side note, I was thinking that if/when I get the car, maybe ask the Forza programmers/art people up here if they want to possibly analyze the car and put it into a future downloadable content pack...They've done engine audio recording up here (with Ford GTs, etc.) at the same place I dynoed my truck, and I might have some ins at the MS Game Studios, so it might be worth a look? Of course, I'd have to have MSC ok it, but I don't think free advertising ever hurt and hopefully they'd agree....
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Nope, this was recent--Graham (or Andy?) from MSC told me about it. They might know more, or it might have fallen through, or the owner might be wanting to stay anonymous (which might explain why the usually tight-knit Murtaya owner group hasn't heard of/from him)...

As a side note, I was thinking that if/when I get the car, maybe ask the Forza programmers/art people up here if they want to possibly analyze the car and put it into a future downloadable content pack...They've done engine audio recording up here (with Ford GTs, etc.) at the same place I dynoed my truck, and I might have some ins at the MS Game Studios, so it might be worth a look? Of course, I'd have to have MSC ok it, but I don't think free advertising ever hurt and hopefully they'd agree....
My guess is that if MSGS has any serious interest, that interest will morph into a junket to the UK to get face time with MSC to start the ball rolling on securing licensing, even if your car were to be used as the model. Is your car a Phase 1 mold?
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My guess is that if MSGS has any serious interest, that interest will morph into a junket to the UK to get face time with MSC to start the ball rolling on securing licensing, even if your car were to be used as the model. Is your car a Phase 1 mold?
It should be a phase one mold--with some retro-fitted changes...though with all the mix-and-matching that AMS did, I'm not 100% sure what exactly it is (i.e., they could have given my original mold to another customer and replaced mine without my knowing). But I'm thinking I have the higher floorboard, etc.

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So the girl has been taken out of hibernation and is getting the interior in order. Some shots from last night (the gauge locations are chalked in and the black lines mark the stitching):





Really getting excited (again)...

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So the girl has been taken out of hibernation and is getting the interior in order. Some shots from last night (the gauge locations are chalked in and the black lines mark the stitching):

Really getting excited (again)...

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The driver-oriented dash should have been part of the original design.
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The driver-oriented dash should have been part of the original design.
I think MSC is actually watching how it turns out. But the main problem with the wrap-around vs. the orginal waterfall shape is needing two different dash shapes for LHD vs. RHD.; I assume that's why they originally went with the symmetrical design.

Things are coming along pretty quickly now:




I even updated my site: http://www.murtaya.com
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...I'm hoping to make the new site go live at the same time I get the car. I just created a new page that allows you to see pictures of all the Murtayas out there (that I know of, at least) and sort/filter them by owner, color, body type, etc. so you can see the ones you like best:

http://www.murtaya.com/Murtaya.Web/I...1TestPage.html



The entire new site is here (though still under construction):
http://www.murtaya.com/Murtaya.Web

(and, of course, the current site is here: http://www.murtaya.com)

As for the car...The interior should be finishing up this week, and then the gauges and switches go in...And maybe even an HVAC system...

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I did not see a mention on your website of who did your dash. The car is still at Suba? To whom did they farm out the fabrication? Who did the leather wrap?
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I did not see a mention on your website of who did your dash. The car is still at Suba? To whom did they farm out the fabrication? Who did the leather wrap?
Yeah, I was planning on keeping both identities of the guy working on the interior and the guy working on the body private until the car is finished. Then I will definitely plug them, since they're both doing such great work.

When people found out Suba had my car, they had a lot of people call and visit them to see the car (which I actually thought was cool), but I just wanted to make sure the interior and body guys aren't bugged. I don't even think that I said Suba was working on the car, but I think people recognized Troy and the old shop in the pics.

The body and interior guys were people I found out and aren't directly related to Suba. But luckily, all three entities do excellent work--I'm lucky to have found all of them.
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Where is the original thread for the "driver abuse" Virginia thread plunk10 Off-Topic 2 07-18-2007 09:58 AM
In conjunction with the ASS thread we are going with the GRILLZ thread. BlueBomber Member's Car Gallery 35 10-03-2006 08:38 PM
Why did the 'Discsussion' thread for the SOA recommendation thread get closed? left footed whooten News & Rumors 6 09-05-2006 12:47 PM


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