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Old 03-09-2012, 03:43 AM   #251
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Jimmy you know my dad runs his two mercedes 500/600 SELs(the cars change, been through 4 or 5, but the MS stays the same) for years( i think 5 years now) as daily drivers on megasquirt. that said, i wouldn't trust a megasquirt in a situation where my success could depend on the reliability of the electronics in quite adverse situations, say, someone bumped your car in the 23rd hr of lemans and one of the ignition coils is shorting out on the chassis on left turns. that is instafail on most ECUs but not something very fault tolerant like a motec. stop the short, it goes back to working, not have to change whole ECU or troubleshoot. the motec software is also really good. MS stuff. it's ok.

Blinden it's 55/month on a 2yr contract, no taxes, no setup, no install. no triple dog play or tv whatever, just 15/5 internet. i've had ~3 hrs of downtime total on my fios in the past.. 4 years? and i only paid for the first year? which was 40/month for the 5/2 no setup or install or anything or even contract then.
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Old 03-09-2012, 06:20 AM   #252
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as i got out of the shower, i heard what sounded like loudspeakers and then a moment later a boom that set of my civics alarm. think it was swat popping off a flashbang or something on the street over, Broad st. 4800 block. swat van raiding the house that's always throwing parties. scanner was all static, and it all happened JUST before dawn. if you see somethin in the news, lemme know, ya?
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Old 03-09-2012, 11:56 AM   #253
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To answer your first question. Yes. The parts that aren't assembled by robots, are most likely assembled by people who have very little (to zero) technical knowledge of the product they are producing. This doesn't mean at all that MS isn't a "good" EMS. To me this means you don't have the confidence in your technical ability to assemble electronic components. That still doesn't mean MS isn't a "good" EMS, because you can purchase them fully assembled and it still costs less then the competitors.

The car can only be as reliable as the tuner/builder makes it. There are very few cases where the MS is actually the problem if there is a reliability issue with a car that is running a MS. It is usually the tuner/builders fault for not having the knowledge to tune the car correctly, or making a mistake from inexperience.

Calling a MS a cut-rate EMS sounds like you are trying to say that it doesn't have the performance specs of its competitors. Or you are meaning the google definition of cut-rate "bargain-priced: costing less than standard price" which I would agree because it does cost less than your standard EMS.

Still, you haven't stated any reasons behind a MS EMS not being "good".
It's cut rate because it's assembled by amateurs. It's cut rate because the technical support team consists of 16 year olds on a forum who just converted their quads to EFI. It's cut rate because it's a product designed by some nerds who have no bearing on what's needed to launch an actual product into the consumer market. It's cut rate because it's at 90% solution to a problem, and that 10% is left to the end user to figure out. That's not a real product.

Your end product is only as strong as it's weakest link. Broken solder joints, crappy UIs, etc. I prefer not to deal with dumb **** like that to save a hundred bucks. If I wanted something cheap that would run, I'd get a used Haltech and save myself hours and hours of troubleshooting.

Jason, your dad is obviously not the norm. Check with the FSAE kids and see what the success rate is w/ MS. I bet it's easily below 50%.
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Old 03-09-2012, 12:17 PM   #254
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Hey guys. My name is Mike and I am a local suby owner but I never really posted in here. I have an sti short block I'm looking to sell and I thought this would be the best place to start. It had still ran but had a knock when it was pulled out of the car. I don't have a use for it so I figured some one might be interested in using it for a build. If anyone has any interest please let me know. Thanks.
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Old 03-09-2012, 01:15 PM   #255
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welcome, you got me excited for a heartbeat, and then i realized your shortblock was blowd up like everyone elses. :/ so no news on swat team? i cant find shat.
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Old 03-09-2012, 01:25 PM   #256
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Thanks for the welcome. Sorry to get you excited. I wish I could keep it but I don't have time for a build as I'm finishing up grad school. So it's just taking up space and dad wants it gone. Hope to get to know you local guys and see you around as the nice weather approaches.
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Old 03-09-2012, 01:41 PM   #257
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well how bad is it? bores scuffed? if not dave and i can use it. Pm me a price
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Old 03-09-2012, 01:48 PM   #258
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It's cut rate because it's assembled by amateurs. It's cut rate because the technical support team consists of 16 year olds on a forum who just converted their quads to EFI. It's cut rate because it's a product designed by some nerds who have no bearing on what's needed to launch an actual product into the consumer market. It's cut rate because it's at 90% solution to a problem, and that 10% is left to the end user to figure out. That's not a real product.

Your end product is only as strong as it's weakest link. Broken solder joints, crappy UIs, etc. I prefer not to deal with dumb **** like that to save a hundred bucks. If I wanted something cheap that would run, I'd get a used Haltech and save myself hours and hours of troubleshooting.

Jason, your dad is obviously not the norm. Check with the FSAE kids and see what the success rate is w/ MS. I bet it's easily below 50%.
No point in trying to convince you that it's good because you'll never understand it. So why waste my time.
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Old 03-09-2012, 02:22 PM   #259
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No point in trying to convince you that it's good because you'll never understand it. So why waste my time.
Is it good enough for you? Yes.

Is it good enough for everyone? No.

The FSAE people that Jimmy mentioned probably would be better off with a more robust product, statistically speaking.

Just like my Stealth Gauge. Is it good enough for 24hrs of LeMans? Hell no. Is it good enough for most Subaru enthusiasts? Hell yes. I could spend more on the parts/design to make it robust enough but then most of that will be considered to be an act in over-engineering since my target audience consists of non-professional enthusiasts.

Design must be done with respect to the target audience. Anything else is either over or under engineered.
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Old 03-09-2012, 04:38 PM   #260
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Can't believe this, but I think I might sell my STi and get back into something more DD friendly with a 5mt, another LGT prob...
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Old 03-09-2012, 07:16 PM   #261
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are there any local shops that corner weight/balance? Pm me please
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Old 03-09-2012, 08:11 PM   #262
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McB motorsport in Bellevue
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Old 03-09-2012, 08:12 PM   #263
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are there any local shops that corner weight/balance? Pm me please
McB's in Bridgeville.

http://www.mcbautosport.com/

My son's 15 minutes of fame getting his tweet quoted on msnbc.
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Old 03-09-2012, 09:48 PM   #264
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If anyone sees a 2011 STi for sale in the area let me know! Looking for white! Thanks
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Old 03-09-2012, 10:00 PM   #265
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WWW.trplace.us. if you want it done correctly with your alignment.
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Old 03-10-2012, 12:10 AM   #266
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McB's in Bridgeville.

http://www.mcbautosport.com/

My son's 15 minutes of fame getting his tweet quoted on msnbc.
[url="http://todayenterta

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Solid tweet, dry, focused, and perfectly sarcastic with a slight hint of ironic.
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Old 03-10-2012, 09:17 AM   #267
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I forget who was talking about fantasy Formula 1 last year here.

If you are out there is it too late to get in?
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Old 03-10-2012, 09:59 AM   #268
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Old 03-10-2012, 03:56 PM   #269
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No point in trying to convince you that it's good because you'll never understand it. So why waste my time.


Great copout answer.
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Old 03-10-2012, 04:32 PM   #270
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Great copout answer.
Not a copout. Just the truth.

Just by what you said i could tell that you have very little knowledge of MS, and you obviously already have a strong opinion about it. So I could tell that no matter what I posted it would not have changed your mind.
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Old 03-11-2012, 01:28 AM   #272
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Fiat?
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Old 03-11-2012, 03:54 AM   #273
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fiat. probably not much oem left though. really nice rotation on that thing.
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Old 03-11-2012, 03:56 AM   #274
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Fiat with what looks/sounds like a gsxr motor from what I read in the comments
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Old 03-11-2012, 09:51 PM   #275
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Here's my Mishimoto radiator leaking in the red car.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VSrNJ...ature=youtu.be

Tom, maybe you should get a higher quality rad for your 'track car'.
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