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Old 02-16-2012, 07:41 PM   #1576
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What about the To4-19tHL
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Old 02-17-2012, 11:11 PM   #1577
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I ran and invented a stock internal wastegate set up that was manually separated on the hot side of my 19T-td04H turbo. It worked with a down pipe I also invented in which the iwg dumps to atmoshphere (thus is a post turbo vent, instead of pre turbo vent). I ran 264.5 awhp on a dyno dynamics at 17.5psi CF1.28 (5000ft above sea level), this is with stock headers, stock uppipe, and while still using a tmic...

This was on a 2003 2.0L wrx motor with 125k 5mt.

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Old 02-17-2012, 11:44 PM   #1578
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Ok, since this is a TD04 19T thread I was hoping someone on here could help me out.
I have a TD04L turbo that blew in my WRX, I replaced it with another stock TD04L turbo that I got for $200 on Ebay. I want to rebuild the turbo in my garage with a 19T compressor and I was hoping to try and fit in a TD04HL turbine wheel. Anyone think this can work?
I can PnP the hosing myself, but I'm curious to see if the TD04HL turbine will even have a chance of fitting.

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The TD04 can house the L, H, HL, TE04H wheels in the hotside.

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Old 02-18-2012, 12:30 AM   #1579
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Ok, I hear you.
The 19T wheel and housing can be bought seperate, but where can you get this 'upgraded thrust bearing' you speak of and what is it exactly?

Thanks in advance,
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When I bought my 19t/TD04H turbo it was upgraded also to a Heavy Duty 360 degree tbearing...
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Old 02-18-2012, 12:48 AM   #1580
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The TD04HL turbine wheel is bigger and if you have an L (USDM) housing both the housing and center will have to be machined to fit. The heat shield and center section for the HL turbine are different than for the L. You can't just drop an HL turbine in an L center and turbine housing...

All TD04 thrust bearings are 360 degrees. The HP thrust bearing includes a thrust plate with two holes (instead of one) and upper and lower thrust collar with a larger facing areas...

The 19T wheel has a larger exducer than all other TD04 compressor wheels so the compressor back must be machined to fit. You can't just drop it in even if you have a compressor housing for it, it won't fit the center section without machining...

A 19T conversion is not a "garage" project. It requires quite a bit of machine work if you are going to do a full HL. Better to spend the money for an already built and balanced turbo or pay someone to do the conversion.
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Old 02-18-2012, 03:26 AM   #1581
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All TD04 thrust bearings are 360 degrees. The HP thrust bearing includes a thrust plate with two holes (instead of one) and upper and lower thrust collar with a larger facing areas...
Good info! I bought a rebuild kit and would love to see a picture of that HP thrust bearing and the visual differences, so I can check if my kit has this features. So if anyone has ever made a pic of this, please do post..?

or I can make a pic of mine and you can comment if its the right one?

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The 19T wheel has a larger exducer than all other TD04 compressor wheels so the compressor back must be machined to fit. You can't just drop it in even if you have a compressor housing for it, it won't fit the center section without machining...
Interesting! I didn't know this. I have bought a new 19T wheel and housing meant to go onto a TD04L turbine housing/center section (and external WG). Curious what exactly would need to be machined?
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Old 02-18-2012, 07:23 AM   #1582
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Good info! I bought a rebuild kit and would love to see a picture of that HP thrust bearing and the visual differences, so I can check if my kit has this features. So if anyone has ever made a pic of this, please do post..?

or I can make a pic of mine and you can comment if its the right one?


Interesting! I didn't know this. I have bought a new 19T wheel and housing meant to go onto a TD04L turbine housing/center section (and external WG). Curious what exactly would need to be machined?
The compressor back plate (not the insert) on the center housing has to be machined to fit the 19T compressor wheel. It's about $100 at any proper turbo shop.

The HP thrust set up is basically mandatory if using an L turbine. The standard bearing is going to wear quickly because the thrust loads are way out of balance. The 19T is made for the HL wheel not the L wheel. Standard thrust bearings seem to fail prematurely. The most important part of the HP thrust setup is the bearing plate. The extra hole is needed for adequate lubrication and cooling.



The above picture is the HP thrust setup. There are a lot of knock-off manufactures selling kits and many of them don't know for sure what's in theirs. The original parts from MHI are expensive, about twice the price of the Taiwan or mainland China produced products. The original kits include not only the HP thrust bearings but stepped piston ring seals as well.

I would also say that VSR (high speed) balancing is important for this conversion as well. Again it's expensive but users are pushing these turbos pretty hard. High speed balancing will help ensure long life of the turbo.
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Old 02-18-2012, 11:46 AM   #1583
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The TD04HL turbine wheel is bigger and if you have an L (USDM) housing both the housing and center will have to be machined to fit. The heat shield and center section for the HL turbine are different than for the L. You can't just drop an HL turbine in an L center and turbine housing...

All TD04 thrust bearings are 360 degrees. The HP thrust bearing includes a thrust plate with two holes (instead of one) and upper and lower thrust collar with a larger facing areas...

The 19T wheel has a larger exducer than all other TD04 compressor wheels so the compressor back must be machined to fit. You can't just drop it in even if you have a compressor housing for it, it won't fit the center section without machining...

A 19T conversion is not a "garage" project. It requires quite a bit of machine work if you are going to do a full HL. Better to spend the money for an already built and balanced turbo or pay someone to do the conversion.
Yea I know a place that does do the 19tHL conversoin But at the price your looking at it being about the same price as the Blouch16g or more... I was just wondering about that turbo itself thanks for the response.

They upgrade the StepGap ring and the Thrust bearing for 90.00 And offer the TD04HL shaft for 200 more. For a total of around 790 Dollars..
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Old 02-18-2012, 03:54 PM   #1584
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These are the same parts from my rebuild kit. Could they be the 'right' HP thrust bearing parts?

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Old 02-25-2012, 08:14 AM   #1585
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Td04 19T H wheel on EFI dyno in 2010 run 258Tq 4000rpm 255Hp 6296rpm
I will post the video later and it was built by a Aerospace Machinist.
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Old 02-26-2012, 12:09 AM   #1586
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These are the same parts from my rebuild kit. Could they be the 'right' HP thrust bearing parts?
Those would be the ones you want to use
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Old 02-26-2012, 01:26 AM   #1587
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this thread is still kicking?? i thought about the 19t maybe a couple times a few years ago...then i realized the 16g was a way better choice lol
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Old 02-26-2012, 12:29 PM   #1588
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this thread is still kicking?? i thought about the 19t maybe a couple times a few years ago...then i realized the 16g was a way better choice lol
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Old 02-26-2012, 02:17 PM   #1589
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People just stumbling on the thread don't realize it was only started because a turbo seller offered very cheap rebuilt TD04/19T. They ended up being poorly built with just about all failing in a few months. For the cost of a proper 19t mod, it is far from worth it.

The VF39 is the cheaper/better option and the 16g is the same price/better option.
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Evo 16G is like 800.00 or more and yes its the way to go if you got the $$$.
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If I have read this thread correctly, it is about trying to get the most from the fastest spooling turbo of all. THAT is the spirit and original excitement of this thread. To me, that hasn't changed.

All of the last posters turbo options spool less fast. Maybe only by a little, but still.

Maybe I just didn't get it, maybe you didn't, but if you have nothing on-topic to contribute...
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If I have read this thread correctly, it is about trying to get the most from the fastest spooling turbo of all. THAT is the spirit and original excitement of this thread. To me, that hasn't changed.

All of the last posters turbo options spool less fast. Maybe only by a little, but still.

Maybe I just didn't get it, maybe you didn't, but if you have nothing on-topic to contribute...
When the TD04 turbine wheel gets clipped the spool goes to with it. So these 19T turbos with clipped wheels are not spooling faster.

Giving people accurate information even if contrary to the thread is on-topic IMO.
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Td04 is a 6cm. Td05 7 cm chipped Or not Td04 will spool faster.
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Td04 is a 6cm. Td05 7 cm chipped Or not Td04 will spool faster.
clipped wheel not chipped...you obviusly know what you are talking about
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People just stumbling on the thread don't realize it was only started because a turbo seller offered very cheap rebuilt TD04/19T. They ended up being poorly built with just about all failing in a few months. For the cost of a proper 19t mod, it is far from worth it.

The VF39 is the cheaper/better option and the 16g is the same price/better option.

Yea And reliability is a key factor for me. I would rather go with the VF43 VF48 because of reliability over a modded td04.

Is the blouch 16g as reliable as a factory VF turbo?
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Ok b so its clipping not chipping lol.my 19T with H is still running since April of last year,lets see how long it last.

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Ok b so its clipping not chipping lol.my 19T with H is still running since April of last year,lets see how long it last.
As long as it was built properly with quality bearings it should last. I wasn't implying that there is anything wrong with them in general. I was criticizing the company making the ones that kicked off this thread.
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how much would it be to get a TDO4 rebuilt? ball park.....
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Here's some data I haven't seen mentioned yet.
http://www.clubwrx.net/forums/engine...04-19t-12.html

He's only moving 4.4 mafV @ 18psi. I move that much air at 16 psi on the small 16G. The dyno sheet at the end is not that impressive either. He does have a log up where it spools pretty quick however. Quicker than a small 16G usually does anyway. Looks like he sees 20psi by about 3200 RPM on a 3rd gear pull.

But WOW have the prices gone up on the small 16G!
http://www.bptstore.com/Subaru-WRXST...ger-_p_28.html
That turbo is now $845! When I ordered directly from blouch back in 2010, that turbo was $650 brand new. That's quite the increase.
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