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Old 03-20-2012, 04:24 PM   #201
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about to roll 8000 on my HB CVT limited...consistently averaging 32 Plus MPG now on my 80/20 hwy to city commute of 103 miles round trip daily.......hwy spds average 60-75 depending on the stretch of road......just completed second oil change and tire rotation at the dealer......picked the car up on 17 Dec...
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Old 03-20-2012, 07:13 PM   #202
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I hit 32.5 on today's tank! 70s for temps. I still think alot of the bad mileage is due to the 10+ qts of CVT fluid that has to warm up and thin out... And it will shear down thinner over time, which should also add to mpg.
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Old 03-20-2012, 07:47 PM   #203
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Fill #4
Trip A: 345.7 miles
Trip A avg mph: 22
Trip A avg mpg: 27.9
Gallons: 13.84
Calculated mpg: 24.97

Disappointing but I was definitely driving with a heavier foot this time. This next tank will be feather footed.
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Old 03-20-2012, 11:38 PM   #204
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With an increase in temps, my MPG definitely seems to be increasing from the <30 MPG I was stuck under. I haven't gotten a fill up since the temps went way up, but the MPG needle spends much more time above the center now. Also i got my first oil change out of the way, so hopefully the new oil fill will help out a bit more than the factory fill did. Hopefully I will be crawling my way back into some better MPGs:

http://www.fuelly.com/driver/ocellaris/impreza

My trip computer is on 30.2 MPG, I have never reset it. ~5,500 miles on the car right now.

Since this thread is about gas, I would like to recommend never to park you car on an incline with the nose up and then pump gas. It will end up all over your feet.
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Old 03-21-2012, 12:13 AM   #205
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I live in Vancouver and its spring now supposedly but its still snowing, temperatures are around 0-10C for the most part. I'm halfway through my 2nd tank and the trip computer is at 9.4 L/100KM, which is 30 MPG, which I think is pretty bad. I'm hoping it will increase, other than that I am quite pleased with the car.
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Old 03-21-2012, 01:54 AM   #206
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I'm only getting 22.5 but I drive the crap out of it.
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Calling all 2012 Impreza owners, post up your average MPG, average MPH (so we can see if you're mostly doing city or highway or a mix), and trim (so we can see if weight plays a factor). I'll start:

Average MPG: 25
Average MPH: 22
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Was expecting higher MPG but I guess it's pretty hard trying to drive like the EPA!
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Old 03-22-2012, 03:02 PM   #207
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Cool ad campaign changes

I think the light is dawning at Subaru.....
Anyone else noticing what seems to be the trend in their advertising the 2012 Impreza.
First...
Ads pushing the main selling point, 27/30/36mpg fuel economy, best fuel economy in an AWD car. Mostly internet ads at that point.
Then....
First TV spot.
Boring looking "first car" ad with vanilla flavor of Impreza Sedan in a vanilla setting, PARKED fer gawds sake. And a tag line "+ 36mpg". (no mention of city or mixed mileage.)
Latest TV spot (my first time I saw it anyway was last night)
Impreza Hatchback spinning donuts in the snow. Just a lot of fun driving and NO mention of mpg or even a hint at fuel economy.

meh, early adopter is always a gamble. Looks like they figured out this car is more about fun than fuel economy. I was hoping for BOTH. Oh well....One out of two anyway....
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Old 03-22-2012, 03:56 PM   #208
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Many of us are getting both though, no need to go down that road again! I saw the snow play commercial a few times back in january, sure wish we had some this year to go play in.

That 'first car' commercial sucks, super boring way to sell a sedan, especially to a demographic that would still likely prefer a wrx, even if they are heading into a generic adulthood. Then again, seems most of the posters on here have a sport hatch which I guess is for the fun target market side.

Sorry you're not enjoying the impreza; it is probably my favorite car of the dozen we've owned.
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Old 03-22-2012, 04:13 PM   #209
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I am enjoying the Impreza.
I am NOT enjoying the gas mileage.


Seems with enough disclaimers a number of people are getting "acceptable" freeway mileage, but it takes very special circumstances to get anywhere close to the other ratings for very very few.

Its a fun car NOT an economy car. Unless you are "lucky" and have a 50+ mile commute.
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Old 03-22-2012, 05:10 PM   #210
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I am enjoying the Impreza.
I am NOT enjoying the gas mileage.


Seems with enough disclaimers a number of people are getting "acceptable" freeway mileage, but it takes very special circumstances to get anywhere close to the other ratings for very very few.

Its a fun car NOT an economy car. Unless you are "lucky" and have a 50+ mile commute.
What do you consider "acceptable" freeway mileage and what are the driving styles for the people achieving "acceptable" freeway mileage? IS the impreza an economy car? No its not and I don't remember seeing it being advertised as one. It is advertised as the most fuel efficient AWD according to EPA standards, and as we all know EPA standards differ from actual drving.
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Old 03-22-2012, 05:32 PM   #211
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What do you consider "acceptable" freeway mileage and what are the driving styles for the people achieving "acceptable" freeway mileage? IS the impreza an economy car? No its not and I don't remember seeing it being advertised as one. It is advertised as the most fuel efficient AWD according to EPA standards, and as we all know EPA standards differ from actual drving.
The EPA numbers are supposed to represent AVERAGE MPG, so people should be able to beat it with good driving techniques, warm weather, and good car maintenance.

I have the following working in my favor:
Warm outside
No traffic on my route
I drive like a grandma and use cruise control
I don't speed
My car is fully broken in
My route is 20 miles each way

I would like to think I should be knocking on 36 MPG right now without a problem. What the heck else has to change for me to get EPA MPG? I don't now what else has to fall in place for anyone to hit the MPG mark over a full tank of gas.

Also with my previous cars, I *never* got under the CTY MPG rating on a tank of gas (with ~250 tanks recorded). This includes doing stupid stuff like idling cars in the winter while I went shopping and warming up the car for so long in the winters that I never used an ice scraper. With the Impreza I don't do that stuff anymore and I have gotten under the CTY MPG number on five tanks of gas, with no city driving. Currently I am still having trouble beating the real world MPG of my old 2009 car that was rated 30MPG highway. With that previous car, I could beat the EPA number with good driving habits, and I would be under them when I was heavy on the gas and such.

I don't find it "acceptable" that most people are well off the mark of the expected MPG.
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Old 03-22-2012, 06:07 PM   #212
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I am enjoying the Impreza.
I am NOT enjoying the gas mileage.


Seems with enough disclaimers a number of people are getting "acceptable" freeway mileage, but it takes very special circumstances to get anywhere close to the other ratings for very very few.

Its a fun car NOT an economy car. Unless you are "lucky" and have a 50+ mile commute.
I don't see the cost of fuel dropping after getting the new impreza although currently it runs at 28-31mpg(US). 50-50City/HWY.

Rising gap price(10% up since February) is one explanation. The break-in period and cool temperature in Canada are two that I hope the fuel economy can turn better soon.

I have higher expectation and little disappointment because Subaru Canada claims 38/51 imprial mpg. Anyway, it meets the US fuel efficiency and the weather will be warmer so I try not to complain too much (I don't really like the engine/cvt whining as I come from Toyota Camry V6)

My wife always has worse gas mileage on new Impreza than I do. I think driving style and experience also matter.

I like AWD

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Old 03-22-2012, 06:11 PM   #213
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I am going to have respectably disagree with the last two posts(thom52 and ocellaris). The EPA ratings are from a specific set of tests. Look at the link I will post. For example, on their city test they drive at 21 mph. Most drivers do not drive like that. You cant look at the EPA ratings and expect to get those numbers if you dont drive the same way as the test. It is well known that the EPA ratings differ from actual driving. It is performed under ideal conditions that most will never see. Some of these cars are not even tested on a real road, they are done in a lab.

You need to keep in mind how the EPA comes up with their numbers. Real world driving will get less mileage than the EPA most of the time. People need to realize that this is true for most cars, not just the impreza. If you are mad that the impreza isn't meeting the EPA ratings, don't complain about the car necessarily. Complain about the EPA's test. It's is not fully relevant to real world driving. Keep in mind that this will be true for most cars. So if the civic is claiming 40 mpg or the impreza is claiming 36mpg from the EPA's test you have to keep in the back of your mind that your mileage will be lower.

AS i have said in previous posts, city/highway driving is different everywhere. So you can't compare people all over the world. There is also different driving types. These all play into the mpg. I average 28mpg. Most of my driving is done on the highway at 70-80mph. Do you think im going to get 36mpg. I don't and according to the EPA i wouldnt either. I still happen to think it is good. Put a couple thousand miles on the cars before people make these claims. Then we can all see if there is a serious problem that Honda had with their hybrid not to long ago.


http://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/fe_test_schedules.shtml
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Old 03-22-2012, 07:22 PM   #214
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I am going to have respectably disagree with the last two posts(thom52 and ocellaris). The EPA ratings are from a specific set of tests. Look at the link I will post. For example, on their city test they drive at 21 mph. Most drivers do not drive like that. You cant look at the EPA ratings and expect to get those numbers if you dont drive the same way as the test. It is well known that the EPA ratings differ from actual driving. It is performed under ideal conditions that most will never see. Some of these cars are not even tested on a real road, they are done in a lab.

You need to keep in mind how the EPA comes up with their numbers. Real world driving will get less mileage than the EPA most of the time. People need to realize that this is true for most cars, not just the impreza. If you are mad that the impreza isn't meeting the EPA ratings, don't complain about the car necessarily. Complain about the EPA's test. It's is not fully relevant to real world driving. Keep in mind that this will be true for most cars. So if the civic is claiming 40 mpg or the impreza is claiming 36mpg from the EPA's test you have to keep in the back of your mind that your mileage will be lower.

AS i have said in previous posts, city/highway driving is different everywhere. So you can't compare people all over the world. There is also different driving types. These all play into the mpg. I average 28mpg. Most of my driving is done on the highway at 70-80mph. Do you think im going to get 36mpg. I don't and according to the EPA i wouldnt either. I still happen to think it is good. Put a couple thousand miles on the cars before people make these claims. Then we can all see if there is a serious problem that Honda had with their hybrid not to long ago.

http://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/fe_test_schedules.shtml
I hear what you're saying. I wish there was testing to show hard city driving or whatever someone else referred to it as. The highway # is actually easily attainable. However, the Civics real world numbers surpass the EPA. I have friends & numbers & fuelly figures that show that. There was a consumer reports article someone shared showing what cars surpass EPA numbers and it showed 2012 Subaru Impreza under their testing that matches how most drivers actually drive falling 1 mpg less than EPA & a number of cars like the Civic that easily passed the EPA #s. Thats how other models are being brought up & that's why most are disappointed. We realize our driving effects the numbers.
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Old 03-22-2012, 07:41 PM   #215
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The EPA numbers are supposed to represent AVERAGE MPG, so people should be able to beat it with good driving techniques, warm weather, and good car maintenance.

I have the following working in my favor:
Warm outside
No traffic on my route
I drive like a grandma and use cruise control
I don't speed
My car is fully broken in
My route is 20 miles each way

I would like to think I should be knocking on 36 MPG right now without a problem. What the heck else has to change for me to get EPA MPG? I don't now what else has to fall in place for anyone to hit the MPG mark over a full tank of gas.

Also with my previous cars, I *never* got under the CTY MPG rating on a tank of gas (with ~250 tanks recorded). This includes doing stupid stuff like idling cars in the winter while I went shopping and warming up the car for so long in the winters that I never used an ice scraper. With the Impreza I don't do that stuff anymore and I have gotten under the CTY MPG number on five tanks of gas, with no city driving. Currently I am still having trouble beating the real world MPG of my old 2009 car that was rated 30MPG highway. With that previous car, I could beat the EPA number with good driving habits, and I would be under them when I was heavy on the gas and such.

I don't find it "acceptable" that most people are well off the mark of the expected MPG.
My running MPG average (based on last ten fill ups) on fuelly is at 28.5, and improving. The mixed mileage to be expected is 30, and my most recent tanks have easily hit this number. I don't have any complaints about mpg at this point....
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Old 03-22-2012, 07:42 PM   #216
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Impreza vs Legacy vs Outback
CR's city/hwy vs EPA's city/hwy
Impreza: 20/35 vs 27/36
Legacy: 18/34 vs 23/31
Outback: 16/32 vs 22/29

CR's city test is "severe". Highway test is steady 65mph. Looks like the Legacy and Outback are doing much better, relatively speaking, than the Impreza on the highway.

5,700+ miles on the new Impreza
Gas mileage ranges from high 27 to low 28 since new. Then it went up to 29.7 last week probably because of warmer temperatures. Gauge indicated 31.5. Not time to fill up yet this week, but the gauge is showing 31.5 also. This compares to getting 27 on a 05 Forester with EPA ratings of 20/26 vs 27/36.
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The EPA numbers are supposed to represent AVERAGE MPG, so people should be able to beat it with good driving techniques, warm weather, and good car maintenance.

I have the following working in my favor:
Warm outside
No traffic on my route
I drive like a grandma and use cruise control
I don't speed
My car is fully broken in
My route is 20 miles each way

I would like to think I should be knocking on 36 MPG right now without a problem. What the heck else has to change for me to get EPA MPG? I don't now what else has to fall in place for anyone to hit the MPG mark over a full tank of gas.

Also with my previous cars, I *never* got under the CTY MPG rating on a tank of gas (with ~250 tanks recorded). This includes doing stupid stuff like idling cars in the winter while I went shopping and warming up the car for so long in the winters that I never used an ice scraper. With the Impreza I don't do that stuff anymore and I have gotten under the CTY MPG number on five tanks of gas, with no city driving. Currently I am still having trouble beating the real world MPG of my old 2009 car that was rated 30MPG highway. With that previous car, I could beat the EPA number with good driving habits, and I would be under them when I was heavy on the gas and such.

I don't find it "acceptable" that most people are well off the mark of the expected MPG.
Also..l can see your numbers on fuelly. From what I see, you are not "drastically below EPA". In fact, most of your tanks are very near to the mixed average that's expected (27 city, 36 highway, 30 mixed). You have had two tanks (out of seventeen) below city EPA, but only by a maximum of 1.7 mpg less than city. That doesn't say much.
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Also..l can see your numbers on fuelly. From what I see, you are not "drastically below EPA". In fact, most of your tanks are very near to the mixed average that's expected (27 city, 36 highway, 30 mixed). You have had two tanks (out of seventeen) below city EPA, but only by a maximum of 1.7 mpg less than city. That doesn't say much.
Ok technically I have 4 fill ups on Fuelly that are under 27 MPG. I am not counting the first tank of gas in the car (which was like 26.x) because I don't know how full it really was when I took it home (dealer claims they pumped until it clicked)... I am really OCD about this stuff, so since I didn't pump the gas myself, I didn't record it on Fuelly.

Also while I am near the mixed average, I don't do any city driving. I live in rural Maine, in a small town with more pizza places than stop lights. I work in a different town and to get there in back I only encounter one light which is usually green. I basically walk out of my house in the morning, sit down, get up the speed, click on cruise control, slow down for a couple of corners (without using the brakes), and 25 minutes later I am at work
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Old 03-22-2012, 11:18 PM   #219
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New POSSIBLE "fix" to try for those suffering from obscenely low gas mileage. (BELOW 20 overall for us).

The dealer hooked up our car for a diagnostic and sent us away with "no codes= no problem", BUT the car has been getting significantly better mileage since. Including a "calibrated" mixed freeway-city errand running.

Time will tell if this is a temporary "glitch" or if maybe hooking it up cleared some bad setting or something.

Car runs smoother and no hard starts since. Its only been a couple days. Time will tell, but we have some hope now.

Sooooo..... maybe try getting the dealer to run a diagnostic? MAYBE try shutting down the computer (unplugging the battery) and hooking it back up again to reset it. Just a wild guess, but might be worth a shot. (no warranties expressed or implied)
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The short trips and city driving are the real killer

my last fillup was strictly 5 mile trips or lower... until the last 40 miles which was a trip 20 miles each way. Now before I left for that trip looked at what the gauge said and it said it was 15 MPG. After the 40 mile drive it went all the way to 20 MPG. Granted the gauge is 1 or 2 MPG little off but still those 40 miles at the end really brought it up. I was going 80 cruise control on with a few WOT runs. I wouldn't say that's bad at all.

for those interested heres my fuelly
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New POSSIBLE "fix" to try for those suffering from obscenely low gas mileage. (BELOW 20 overall for us).

The dealer hooked up our car for a diagnostic and sent us away with "no codes= no problem", BUT the car has been getting significantly better mileage since. Including a "calibrated" mixed freeway-city errand running.

Time will tell if this is a temporary "glitch" or if maybe hooking it up cleared some bad setting or something.

Car runs smoother and no hard starts since. Its only been a couple days. Time will tell, but we have some hope now.

Sooooo..... maybe try getting the dealer to run a diagnostic? MAYBE try shutting down the computer (unplugging the battery) and hooking it back up again to reset it. Just a wild guess, but might be worth a shot. (no warranties expressed or implied)
Regardless of what the trip computer shows only the actual numbers will tell. My gauge always reads 1-2 mpg higher than my actual mpg. I've tested with a GPS too to be sure my trip computer has my mileage correct. It's spot on.
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New POSSIBLE "fix" to try for those suffering from obscenely low gas mileage. (BELOW 20 overall for us).

The dealer hooked up our car for a diagnostic and sent us away with "no codes= no problem", BUT the car has been getting significantly better mileage since. Including a "calibrated" mixed freeway-city errand running.

Time will tell if this is a temporary "glitch" or if maybe hooking it up cleared some bad setting or something.

Car runs smoother and no hard starts since. Its only been a couple days. Time will tell, but we have some hope now.

Sooooo..... maybe try getting the dealer to run a diagnostic? MAYBE try shutting down the computer (unplugging the battery) and hooking it back up again to reset it. Just a wild guess, but might be worth a shot. (no warranties expressed or implied)
Interesting, this sort of coincides with the scattered reports that folks mpg improved right after the first oil change during which time the dealer service center certainly hooks up the diagnostic system.

However the dealer probably runs the same tests after they get the car off the delivery truck though before they sell it.

Glad your mpg is better though! Mine is still about 22.5 overall, largely city driving in hilly/congested Seattle, mostly shortish trips.
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I wouldn't be surprised if they were flashing Ecu firmware or something during the diagnostic.
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I wouldn't be surprised if they were flashing Ecu firmware or something during the diagnostic.
funny, that was my wife's theory. And they are just quietly doing it "as needed" without doing a recall, to keep the stats clean on a new model.
But I was trying to find a marginally less conspiratorial explanation.
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funny, that was my wife's theory. And they are just quietly doing it "as needed" without doing a recall, to keep the stats clean on a new model.
But I was trying to find a marginally less conspiratorial explanation.
While I think this is definitely possible, I think there would be a TSB for it?
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