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Old 03-21-2012, 11:49 AM   #351
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Goodridge 900 aramid hose for fuel lines being plumbed in




Dry-Break disconnect for the engine hook-up as well




PROPER STI grpN shifter ... the short throw, re-enforced one as used in world rally competition grpN cars.



Preparing the roof panel to make the mold for the carbon unit, first verifying all the "trouble" spots.






1st step of the mold done, more to come as the process continues!
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Old 03-21-2012, 12:01 PM   #352
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oh you got it!!!!!

does it really have metal instead of bushings, more details on the shifter!

i first saw it here:

http://www.z1auto.com/prodmore.asp?m...ne&prodid=2975
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Old 03-21-2012, 12:20 PM   #353
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Will you guys be marketing and selling your own carbon roof piece? I would be interested. It would save me a lot in shipping versus the one made in socal.

Thanks!
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Old 03-21-2012, 12:32 PM   #354
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look up their facebook page and you will find the details there
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Old 03-21-2012, 01:01 PM   #355
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The shifter is using a delrin type bush, very rigid. What other details? We got the 2008 model as it is a little longer in length than the 2006 - 2007 one due to the seat being pushed so far back. Will need to modify the boot opening though as well.
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Old 03-21-2012, 01:08 PM   #356
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oh so this is not true:

"Features all metal bushings throughout, this will really give your car a rally feel."

Ok, i just bought the factory SS and then saw the group n. I have all replacement bushings, i thought the group n was all solid, no bushings.
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Old 03-21-2012, 02:37 PM   #357
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Where do those fuel lines run?
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Old 03-21-2012, 04:12 PM   #358
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From the undercar fuel tank through the compartment, through the front firewall to the dry-break.
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Old 03-21-2012, 06:28 PM   #359
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Are you running that 900 in the cockpit?
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Old 03-21-2012, 06:51 PM   #360
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Yes, it is the top of the line hose from goodridge. BE CAREFUL THOUGH, not all hoses are certified for cockpit use, some of them are exterior only as some vapors can seep through the liners. For example, 200 series hose and push-fit hose from GOODRIDGE is EXTERIOR use only. 600, 811, 911 series is all suitable for inside (cockpit use).

We went with the aramid 900 as the covering will not scrath the paint, it is the lightest and most flexible hose with the highest flow rates Goodridge offers.
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Old 03-22-2012, 02:14 AM   #361
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Interesting. Most sanctioning bodies require steel braided or metal tubing.
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Old 03-22-2012, 09:04 AM   #362
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SCCA does list metal braided (rather than steel) for interior areas. Properly worded I am sure that a rule change could be successfully requested - and probably should be in this case. I would be surprised if this was actually objected to at annual, but you can never be sure.
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Old 03-22-2012, 01:23 PM   #363
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As does nasa. I've had an issue with this before is why I bring it up. It's been a few years though and things very well may have changed.

Hard lines for long runs are typically a better approach regardless of the rules.
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Old 03-22-2012, 07:40 PM   #364
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I have not come across -10 hard lines yet. The aramid is kevlar braid, stronger than steel, safer than steel. It is the same hosed as used in F1, WRC, GT, WTCC, NASCAR (for any american scrutineers that are not happy) It is a non-issue....
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Old 03-22-2012, 08:05 PM   #365
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-10 hardlines is simply 5/8" OD...or 10/16 to keep with the Army Navy naming convention.

I was actually looking at Earl's Kevlar offering today. Impressively 60% less weight than comparable braided stainless. It also has a larger ID than standard -10 as well.


Do you have any experience with BRMS? I met them at PRI and have their catalog and am thinking about going with them to pre-fab the hoses.
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Old 03-22-2012, 08:05 PM   #366
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I'm sure it's heavily used in all forms of racing but that doesn't mean it's run in the cockpit.
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Old 03-22-2012, 08:19 PM   #367
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I know Russel and Moroso makes it in Alu. Not sure who all else does.
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Old 03-23-2012, 11:13 AM   #368
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The last coat of fiberglass to re-enforece the panels surface. We will now build a frame around the outside to secure everything in place. Monday morning will start layup on the first 5 pieces !
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Old 03-23-2012, 12:17 PM   #370
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We are using 5/8" stainless tube for our -10AN hardlines. I just received a 20 ft. length last week at $11 per foot, ouch. It was sourced from the same metal supply store that delivers our rollbar, exhaust tubing, flat stock, and metal sheets.
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as long as weight is not an issue, knock yourself out! We will not offer that to our client though... anyone have any questions?
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Old 03-23-2012, 04:59 PM   #372
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That's what aluminum is for I think just about any scrutineer would rather see tubing than hose. Do you actually know that you can even run that 900 in the cockpit?
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Old 03-25-2012, 08:04 AM   #373
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I have used this hose for the past 6 years without issue on any of our cars. I have yet to have a protest or complaint. It is stronger and more resistant than the typical braided or rigid line hoses due to the fire resistance (steel and aluminum will melt, the kevlar will not in a typical fire) giving the drivers and support teams more time to get out to safety or keep the fire from spreading.

In your response to "that is what aluminum is for" TRooper said he was using 5/8 SS Line, hence the weight comment.

Any scrutineer would rather see tubing than hose ..... you should say "any scrutineer for "X" series " or something along those lines ....

This hose is used worldwide in every venue I can think of. The goal of this car is to be able to sell it, and to be honest, chances of someone in North America wanting to by this car is SLIM TO NONE. It is overkill for most people. However, for international clients, it is what is expected out of a competitive car.

Look, if you don't like the hose I use, fine, use whatever you want on your own car on your own dime. I am paying the bill on this build, so I will decide what goes into it.
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Old 03-26-2012, 09:43 AM   #374
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We are using this on a muscle car/Pro Touring build, so weight of the SS line is not an issue in this particular build. MSI, thanks for the info on the 900 line, we have another build with weight being a primary concern, so I will look into that. Keep the great info coming, this has been one of my favorite threads on Nasioc.
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