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Old 04-03-2012, 04:52 PM   #76
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I think this is the first 2011 to blow a stock motor. They don't have the same problems as the 08-10.
Nope, i've seen a few of them chit the bed already.

This issue has been beaten to death over and over and over. The stock tune sucks, had tons of rough spots and when you drive the car how its supposed to be driven on the stock tune for this long, this is the result.
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Old 04-03-2012, 05:19 PM   #77
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Im already car shopping. F these trash cans.
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Old 04-03-2012, 05:53 PM   #78
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there is no reason what so ever to run a stock tune on any of these cars....unless you want detonation to pop it

and if flashing a brand new car scares you....dont buy a new turbo'd subaru


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I agreed, but now I'm worried.
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9500 miles. Stage 1 at 500 miles to avoid this problem.
Last week I threw P0304 code, there is smoke coming from the oil fill cap, and I'm almost a quart low on oil in the last couple weeks.


Ever wonder how many take your speculative advice and end up in this guys situation only to find they no longer have a valid power train warrantee? Thats good enough reason for me to run the stock tune.
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Old 04-03-2012, 05:59 PM   #79
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Early 2008 STis had a horrible tune which caused failures and early 2009 WRXs experienced failures not related to the tune. All rest rest of the 2008+ WRX/STis have the "normal tune", which still isn't good for the motor due to the closed/open loop transition. The 2008 STi tune is not what people mean when they say "the stock tune sucks"; they're talking about the tunes that started in 2004 that have a lean spot until a certain point in the powerband. The 2011+ WRX and STi have this tune as well.
What I dont understand is that a great number of WRX and STi owners understand how the cl/ol transition works, so why not down shift? If Im actually driving my car Im not dropping below the closed loop threshold and Im never going WOT at 2500 RPMs, know what I mean.

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Old 04-03-2012, 06:36 PM   #80
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Ever wonder how many take your speculative advice and end up in this guys situation only to find they no longer have a valid power train warrantee? Thats good enough reason for me to run the stock tune.
No one has brought up the fact that plenty of motors still blow up WITH a tune. I have read lots of threads in many forums. According to IWSTI , blown motor survey 35% of piston failures occurred on stock tunes, Seems like they all just blow up with or without mods. Until I trade , Subaru can eat **** and pay for it. Im driving a POS, thats why its broken. I was duped. Thats all I have to say. Thank you for your feedback , Im done with this time vampire thread and that **** car. Cheers.
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Old 04-03-2012, 06:44 PM   #81
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Thats the point Im eluding to. There has been issues in the past with the stock mapping but for the past couple of years the majority of failures I have heard of were in modified cars.
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Old 04-03-2012, 08:38 PM   #82
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i think what most are implying is just get a stage 1 tune so the car isnt as fragile. the more i read about how bad the tune is on these cars made me order my accessport today. i will dump the factory oil this weekend (1500 miles) put in some nice T6 and flash it. then drive the car and enjoy it. if it breaks, it was gonna break anyway, and any breakdown is a time to upgrade anyway!
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Old 04-03-2012, 08:59 PM   #83
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The issue goes beyond the tune on the 2008 STI. Because tuned cars have blown, and cars with Forged Pistons also does not fix the issue.

The cars need oil pick up replaced, oil catch-can (to help reduce blow by) and they need fuel rails since the cylinders stock get fuel at different times which can lead to lean situations in Cylinder #4 (the last to get fuel and most likely to blow...happened to my '05 WRX).
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Old 04-04-2012, 09:09 AM   #84
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This sucks, I've got about 6000 miles on my 2011 WRX, which is my first Subaru ever. In my infinite wisdom I extended the drivetrain warranty to 100k. So I'm damned if I do and damned if don't!
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Old 04-04-2012, 10:10 AM   #85
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You can sell back the warranty for a slight prorated loss IIRC.
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Old 04-04-2012, 11:46 AM   #86
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This sucks, I've got about 6000 miles on my 2011 WRX, which is my first Subaru ever. In my infinite wisdom I extended the drivetrain warranty to 100k. So I'm damned if I do and damned if don't!
I don't think any stock WRX's have blown since early MY2009 and that was a material defect. This discussion is about an STI issue.
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Old 04-04-2012, 01:16 PM   #87
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i think what most are implying is just get a stage 1 tune so the car isnt as fragile. the more i read about how bad the tune is on these cars made me order my accessport today. i will dump the factory oil this weekend (1500 miles) put in some nice T6 and flash it. then drive the car and enjoy it. if it breaks, it was gonna break anyway, and any breakdown is a time to upgrade anyway!
You are obligated to run Subaru oil in your 2012, T6 doesn't meet the new specs Subaru requires.
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My conclusions regarding this are:

a) only a small portion of all STI owners are on NASIOC or IWSTI so we are most likely blowing this problem out of proportion.

b) There's certainly a weakness in some STI engines and they will blow up regardless of the tune. But all car makers have occasional quality failulres on some units.

c) crappy drivers/bad tunes/mods are most likely the primary cause of this.
How many floor their cars in 6th gear going 60 mph?
How many are aware of CL/OL and boost creep (especially in cold weather)?
How many enjoy bouncing off the rev-limiter or using FFS and LC in excess?
How many drive their cars hard cold?
How many maintain their car according to Subaru guidelines (ex.: people who use the same oil in ALL their cars and disregard Subaru requirements).
How many beat their cars in general? No one buys this car to drive it slowly...
The list goes on...

I would not have any problems buying a STI, I would keep it stock for a year (15-20k miles) and if nothing breakes, start modding intelligently thereafter.

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You are obligated to run Subaru oil in your 2012, T6 doesn't meet the new specs Subaru requires.
You are required to run 5w30 Synthetic. You are not required to run Subaru branded oil.
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Old 04-04-2012, 01:38 PM   #90
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You are required to run 5w30 Synthetic. You are not required to run Subaru branded oil.
You are not obligated or required to run Subaru oil or 5w-30 in the slightest. Subaru recommends their own oil...obivously. However, the owners manual states that you can use different oils as long as they are synthetic and meet all the AG/SM, etc... criteria. The manual even states that the use of 5W-40 (what T6 is) is ok, especially for high temp areas, agressive driving, etc... In addition, I have asked three dealerships and all agreed that you don't have to run Subaru oil or 5W-30 for that matter. Just make sure whatever you are using is within the manuals guidelines. Personally, I use T6 with a Subaru OEM filter - I have 23K on my stock 2011 STi and she runs like a champ! No hesistion issues, no burnt oil...now just waiting for warranty to run out *knock on wood*

More people need to actually read the manual instead of making assumptions.

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Old 04-04-2012, 01:51 PM   #91
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My conclusions regarding this are:

a) only a small portion of all STI owners are on NASIOC or IWSTI so we are most likely blowing this problem out of proportion.

b) There's certainly a weakness in some STI engines and they will blow up regardless of the tune. But all car makers have occasional quality failulres on some units.

c) crappy drivers/bad tunes/mods are most likely the primary cause of this.
How many floor their cars in 6th gear going 60 mph?
How many are aware of CL/OL and boost creep (especially in cold weather)?
How many enjoy bouncing off the rev-limiter or using FFS and LC in excess?
How many drive their cars hard cold?
How many maintain their car according to Subaru guidelines (ex.: people who use the same oil in ALL their cars and disregard Subaru requirements).
How many beat their cars in general? No one buys this car to drive it slowly...
The list goes on...

I would not have any problems buying a STI, I would keep it stock for a year (15-20k miles) and if nothing breakes, start modding intelligently thereafter.

You hit the nail on the head!!! All the variables you listed in (c) (plenty more too) are the areas people don't like to admit to after they blow there motor.

Not to mention that we see probably 20 (Exaggeration for point of percentages) of the same people in these forums complaining about tunes and blowing motors from 08 to 11. In those 4 years there were appromixately 12,000 STi's sold in the US. Therefore you are talking about 0.16 percent of the total cars sold in this timeframe of 4 years had this issue or .6 percent of cars per year (20 per year at 3,000 cars sold). And I bet this percent that did have the problem, beat the living S**T out of their cars right off the lot, tuned, modded, etc..., then wonder why it blew and needs a re-build.

Gotta love the people who "drove it like they stole it", the complain when the car dies or runs like crap. Like I said in my previous post - I have 23K on my stock 2011 STi and it runs great! I broke it in per Subaru guidelines, hit all my scheduled maintances, and STILL HAVE THE OEM TUNE!

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You hit the nail on the head!!! All the variables you listed in (c) (plenty more too) are the areas people don't like to admit to after they blow there motor.

Not to mention that we see probably 20 (Exaggeration for point of percentages) of the same people in these forums complaining about tunes and blowing motors from 08 to 11. In those 4 years there were appromixately 12,000 STi's sold in the US. Therefore you are talking about 0.16 percent of the total cars sold in this timeframe of 4 years had this issue or .6 percent of cars per year (20 per year at 3,000 cars sold). And I bet this percent that did have the problem, beat the living S**T out of their cars right off the lot, tuned, modded, etc..., then wonder why it blew and needs a re-build.

Gotta love the people who "drove it like they stole it", the complain when the car dies or runs like crap. Like I said in my previous post - I have 23K on my stock 2011 STi and it runs great! I broke it in per Subaru guidelines, hit all my scheduled maintances, and STILL HAVE THE OEM TUNE!
You are both so right , lots of fast & furious types expecting these cars to hold up to any abuse.. I followed all the service and break in criteria to the letter. Im 32 no douche bag racer boy. , dealer just called me and said it WASN'T the RINGLANDS .... so the " bad stock tune " or the boogy man ringlands weren't my problem . According to the dealer piston 3&4 were just installed wrong during assembly. Notching the cylinder walls just enough to create blow by and perhaps maybe even hitting the valves. They said this failure was a first for them. Short block and valves are going in as we speak.
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You are both so right , lots of fast & furious types expecting these cars to hold up to any abuse.. I followed all the service and break in criteria to the letter. Im 32 no douche bag racer boy. , dealer just called me and said it WASN'T the RINGLANDS .... so the " bad stock tune " or the boogy man ringlands weren't my problem . According to the dealer piston 3&4 were just installed wrong during assembly. Notching the cylinder walls just enough to create blow by and perhaps maybe even hitting the valves. They said this failure was a first for them. Short block and valves are going in as we speak.
I'll be dipped. That's a new one for a Subaru.

Were those pistions installed 180 on the rods?


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I owe you all a better explantion, I will try to get photos or at least a more intelligent explanation. Busy @ work F 16's taking off I can't here myself think.

P.S. I was 23 when I bought my first WRX
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So, are you still selling your car since Subaru sucks?
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So, are you still selling your car since Subaru sucks?
It gets traded before the warranty runs out, Yes ! And I will stick to yesterdays statement. Its broken because its a POS ! Had I listened to the general opinion I would have installed forged pistons and a tune the day I bought it and voided my warranty all together and this failure would not be covered at all !
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You are not obligated or required to run Subaru oil or 5w-30 in the slightest. Subaru recommends their own oil...obivously. However, the owners manual states that you can use different oils as long as they are synthetic and meet all the AG/SM, etc... criteria. The manual even states that the use of 5W-40 (what T6 is) is ok, especially for high temp areas, agressive driving, etc... In addition, I have asked three dealerships and all agreed that you don't have to run Subaru oil or 5W-30 for that matter. Just make sure whatever you are using is within the manuals guidelines. Personally, I use T6 with a Subaru OEM filter - I have 23K on my stock 2011 STi and she runs like a champ! No hesistion issues, no burnt oil...now just waiting for warranty to run out *knock on wood*

More people need to actually read the manual instead of making assumptions.
Actually, SoA has removed the references to thicker viscosities in the manual. They say that 5W-40 conventional can be used for replenishment only, although no such oil exists.

Lots of new WRX's and STI's running RT6 though. Check out the uoa's in the Service & Maintenance Forum.

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It gets traded before the warranty runs out, Yes ! And I will stick to yesterdays statement. Its broken because its a POS ! Had I listened to the general opinion I would have installed forged pistons and a tune the day I bought it and voided my warranty all together and this failure would not be covered at all !
Right, but your car was defective; it's not that Subaru is ****. And if you installed forged pistons the day you bought it, people would call you a fool.
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People have beat me over the head with the cracked ringland and bad tune story. This is my 3rd new Subaru every other one I buy is problematic. My 04 never broke down just always falling apart somewhere. My 07 was great except for the sec air system My 11 STI so far has had a bunch of little stupid problems. This issue really wore me out with the brand.
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We all know that when you buy an STi you need at least $5000 on the side for this known situation
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