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Old 04-05-2012, 09:59 PM   #1
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Hey guys... sorry if this has been posted already. Everyone seems to have a different opinion of what it takes to get to a given power amount. Understanding that yes every car is different and will respond differently I find it interesting that I was told I would need a tmic, tbe, ap, protune and one place even said an intake manifold as well. According to crawford tuning an aftermarket tmic, injectors and protune are needed. Are these guys that much better tuners than my local ones or are my local shops just trying to make more money?
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Old 04-05-2012, 10:09 PM   #2
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300whp means nothing. 300 whp can be 225 one one dyno and 375 on another. Lots of emphasis goes into arbitrary numbers and "goals" when there is little thought that truly goes into what makes those goals. Are you looking for a quarter mile trap speed? Specific lap times at a particular track? How do you know you want/need 300/350/400/500 whp? Pulling numbers out of your ass just makes you spend more money than you really need to.
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Old 04-05-2012, 10:26 PM   #3
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Fill out http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/usercp.php? as we don't know if you are in Chicago and drive a Lamborghini LM002 or not. These things matter.
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Old 04-05-2012, 10:31 PM   #4
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b1aze has a good point. Although, if your not shooting for a specific goal of say wanting to run an 11 second quarter, and you just want to be able to say that your roo is 400 HP, I would say try and find someone else who has a similar car and has done the right work to it to match the horsepower range you're looking for. Once you've decided on what bolt ons you want to go with, you should tune the car for optimum performance with your new parts and just see how many horsepower it comes out to rather than just throwing injectors in and dumping a map in that promises X00 HP.
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Old 04-05-2012, 10:35 PM   #5
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300whp means nothing. 300 whp can be 225 one one dyno and 375 on another. Lots of emphasis goes into arbitrary numbers and "goals" when there is little thought that truly goes into what makes those goals. Are you looking for a quarter mile trap speed? Specific lap times at a particular track? How do you know you want/need 300/350/400/500 whp? Pulling numbers out of your ass just makes you spend more money than you really need to.
I realize this which is why I said I know all cars are different and would respond differently.
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Old 04-05-2012, 11:01 PM   #6
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I suggest hanging out in the PPB forum and get an idea of what other MY 12 WRXs have done to them and the power they are getting.

Its not like this is a new model - these cars have been put to the limits over the years and there are many threads to read through.

I understand you just joined and I am sure I am not the first to tell you that the SEARCH button is your friend, you should make it your best friend and this might be the only friend that is going to give you what you are looking for.

Just trying to help.
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Old 04-06-2012, 12:19 AM   #7
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It may be worthwhile to visit Andrewtech since they are in your region. They are worth the additional money. They can build motors and transmissions that will hold up to your 400WHP.

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Old 04-06-2012, 01:52 AM   #8
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It's good to set a goal or put a target up. It's just nothing is concrete. ask your tuner and go with his advice.
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Old 04-06-2012, 01:56 AM   #9
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Hey guys... sorry if this has been posted already. Everyone seems to have a different opinion of what it takes to get to a given power amount. Understanding that yes every car is different and will respond differently I find it interesting that I was told I would need a tmic, tbe, ap, protune and one place even said an intake manifold as well. According to crawford tuning an aftermarket tmic, injectors and protune are needed. Are these guys that much better tuners than my local ones or are my local shops just trying to make more money?
There is a big difference in money required between 300hp and 400hp on these cars. In fact, to even compare these two power levels is kinda silly.

300hp is obtainable with just stage 2 (downpipe/intake/tune). 400hp on the other hand will require all the other things you listed above, plus a larger turbo and an assortment of other mods.

In regards to Crawford recommending a TMIC and injectors, that is a safety precaution on Stage 2+ cars, and not a bad idea at all to do .. but not necessarily required. I personally like injectors, fuel pump, EBC, and TMIC on a Stage 2 setup for safety reasons, but you can go without them ... and many people do.

As other guys here said, pick a tuner and go with their advice .. they have the experience that you obviously lack on this subject. Also, head over to the 2.5L turbo section and read the stickies there .. should have the info to get you started.

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Old 04-06-2012, 04:04 AM   #10
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I realize this which is why I said I know all cars are different and would respond differently.
You didn't fully read what I said. It's not the car that will react differently, it's the tool used to tell you you have the horsepower level. What good is it saying "I have 300whp from XXX's dyno that reads super high!" when the guy with 250whp from YYY's tuning is a faster car. HP is all relative to the tool used to measure it.
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Old 04-06-2012, 03:13 PM   #11
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It may be worthwhile to visit Andrewtech since they are in your region. They are worth the additional money. They can build motors and transmissions that will hold up to your 400WHP.

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Oh no.. I don't want 400who ... I was just showing what these particular tuners say is needed to get to these power levels. I would just like to safely get to 300 or 320.
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Old 04-09-2012, 11:44 PM   #12
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Get a downpipe and up pipe, turbo back exhaust and an open source tune. You should be close to your power goals.

Better sway bars with end links and you will have a great car.
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Old 04-10-2012, 07:52 AM   #13
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I could care less about max power, what I really want is more low end torque from a rolling speed. I like Car and Drivers 5-60 test, being more real world, and really shows most cars weaknesses. The WRX has a 4.8sec 0-60, and a ho-hum 6.4sec 5-60, losing to a lot of its competition. Compare that to my 2004 GTO that had a decent(tires) 5.3sec 0-60, yet still did a 5.8sec 5-60. I don't know how manufacturers are getting some of these new turbo engines to produce most of their torque at 1500rpms, but the WRX could use some of that magic.
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Old 04-10-2012, 08:22 AM   #14
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If a tuner said you needed a new intake manifold to reach 300, grab your wallet and run away.
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Old 04-10-2012, 12:03 PM   #15
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I could care less about max power, what I really want is more low end torque from a rolling speed. I like Car and Drivers 5-60 test, being more real world, and really shows most cars weaknesses. The WRX has a 4.8sec 0-60, and a ho-hum 6.4sec 5-60, losing to a lot of its competition. Compare that to my 2004 GTO that had a decent(tires) 5.3sec 0-60, yet still did a 5.8sec 5-60. I don't know how manufacturers are getting some of these new turbo engines to produce most of their torque at 1500rpms, but the WRX could use some of that magic.
How could 5-60 times be slower than 0-60 times? Were they testing these cars in 3rd gear or something?
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How could 5-60 times be slower than 0-60 times? Were they testing these cars in 3rd gear or something?
You aren't dumping your clutch at max RPM when taking off from a roll. Real world driving is completely different from a 1/4 mile drag strip.
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Yeah ya have to figure 0-60 is launching and 5-60 is probally starting out basically laggin second at under 1k so your way out of powerband and gonna take a bit to get into it it
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Try rolling to 5mph, and then rapidly request torque from your engine. You will likely need to see a chiropractor afterwards, It's like launching without the skill needed to launch. That is unless you are a moron cruising at 5mph in mount everest.
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Try rolling to 5mph, and then rapidly request torque from your engine. You will likely need to see a chiropractor afterwards, It's like launching without the skill needed to launch. That is unless you are a moron cruising at 5mph in mount everest.
Not sure you understand the test, it shows how available your engine power is from rolling speeds. The WRX may be a great sprinter right out of the hole with AWD, but it does nothing for everyday driving or passing, or the longevity of your drivetrain. Most of us don't live our lives a 1/4 mile at time.
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You are right, I don't understand the test, nor how it was conducted. However, for what its worth, in the "real world" you are allowed to down shift. I'm sorry you are having trouble shaking GTO's in rush hour traffic.
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You are right, I don't understand the test, nor how it was conducted. However, for what its worth, in the "real world" you are allowed to down shift. I'm sorry you are having trouble shaking GTO's in rush hour traffic.
Yes you are allowed to downshift, whats your point? The WRX will still lose against most of its competition from a roll. Is that the part you don't understand?
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Yes you are allowed to downshift, whats your point? The WRX will still lose against most of its competition from a roll. Is that the part you don't understand?
The part I dont understand is why you are talking about the "REAL WORLD," and then jump to 5mph-60mph times and drag racing from a roll. You must have one hell of a commute

Unless you bought a 4cyl parasitic AWD WRX thinking that it could somehow make that V8 RWD insta-torque that a GTO has

But no, you dont live your life a quarter mile of a time
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The part I dont understand is why you are talking about the "REAL WORLD," and then jump to 5mph-60mph times and drag racing from a roll. You must have one hell of a commute

Unless you bought a 4cyl parasitic AWD WRX thinking that it could somehow make that V8 RWD insta-torque that a GTO has

But no, you dont live your life a quarter mile of a time
I said nothing of drag racing, I am talking about how this car delivers its power in daily driving. I find it lacking even against its direct competitors, mainly because its lack useful power at lower RPM's. Are you having a problem with comprehension, or are you deliberately trying to be a dick?
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I said nothing of drag racing, I am talking about how this car delivers its power in daily driving. I find it lacking even against its direct competitors, mainly because its lack useful power at lower RPM's. Are you having a problem with comprehension, or are you deliberately trying to be a dick?

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okay I'm going to have to ask: why does 5-60 have to do with performance? Is that like a reaaaaally tight hairpin that gets you down to 5mph? like who cares about 5-60?
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