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Old 04-11-2012, 08:11 PM   #1
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Default 2009 Impreza 2.5i Engine Failure

As the thread title indicates, the engine on my 2.5i has failed. Car has 28k miles; oil was changed at 9k miles and again at 19k miles.

Driving up a slight hill under moderate acceleration, heard a clunking sound from under the hood and the oil light went on. Crested the hill, coasted the rest of the way home, shut the car down, had the car towed to the dealer.

Dealer says it had only half a quart of oil when they drained it. Engine needs to be rebuilt. $6k. My responsibility for lack of oil changes. The car has been mostly sitting for 6 months since my son joined the Army, so I haven't paid much attention to it. (Should have sold the damn thing).

I saw the thread on the WRX engine failures; is there also a history of failures with the non-turbo version of this engine?

Help would be appreciated.
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Old 04-11-2012, 08:18 PM   #2
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10k in between oil changes? Did you at least check the oil level every few thousand miles?
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Old 04-11-2012, 08:19 PM   #3
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Lack of oil and lack of oil changes, user failure. Sorry to say it but that is all your responsibility on that one not much SOA would do for you.
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Old 04-11-2012, 08:57 PM   #4
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lol well dont you think 10k in between oil changes would cause that problem lol
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Old 04-12-2012, 03:57 PM   #5
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Going to have to concur, 10K mi drain intervals and not checking the level is all on the owner/operator.
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Old 04-12-2012, 04:19 PM   #6
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Other then calling SOA yourself and pleading your case. toss in deployed son for sympathy or something... They have no reason to pay for this. they don't owe it to you. you failed to perform the basic required services which is abuse/neglect.

If they help you out, thats awesome. But they don't have to and I couldn't agree with them more. 9k between changes is just crazy.
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Old 04-12-2012, 04:24 PM   #7
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Checking the oil at every fuel stop would have prevented this. Changing the oil as infrequently as every 10K miles, as said above, didn't do you any favors--though I'm not as appalled by that as I am you not checking the dipstick.

You could try being very polite and apologetic to the dealership and/or SOA and see what happens. Begging/baking them cookies wouldn't hurt either.
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Old 04-12-2012, 07:55 PM   #8
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I'm not saying the oil interval wasn't too long and against manufacturer recommendations, but he does have a 2.5i- non-turbo that recommends oci's at 7500 miles, so 9000 is only 20% more. For the pre-synthetic WRX- oci's of 3500, a 20% over mileage would only be 700- so a 4200 mile oci. Not good, but not that many over. Should it have blown the motor? Who know how those miles were driven, but I don't think the motor should have blown after 2 oil changes that were 20% and 33% over with that few miles on it. Maybe if it had 100k on it, but not 28k.
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I'm not saying the oil interval wasn't too long and against manufacturer recommendations, but he does have a 2.5i- non-turbo that recommends oci's at 7500 miles, so 9000 is only 20% more. For the pre-synthetic WRX- oci's of 3500, a 20% over mileage would only be 700- so a 4200 mile oci. Not good, but not that many over. Should it have blown the motor? Who know how those miles were driven, but I don't think the motor should have blown after 2 oil changes that were 20% and 33% over with that few miles on it. Maybe if it had 100k on it, but not 28k.
yes. a subaru flat 4 engine will blow up if its running with about 1qt in it. go ahead and try it once on your car. being N/A has nothing to do with it. run it low on oil, dry up the rod bearings and get back to us...
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I'm not saying the oil interval wasn't too long and against manufacturer recommendations, but he does have a 2.5i- non-turbo that recommends oci's at 7500 miles, so 9000 is only 20% more. For the pre-synthetic WRX- oci's of 3500, a 20% over mileage would only be 700- so a 4200 mile oci. Not good, but not that many over. Should it have blown the motor? Who know how those miles were driven, but I don't think the motor should have blown after 2 oil changes that were 20% and 33% over with that few miles on it. Maybe if it had 100k on it, but not 28k.
No the oil change interval is not 7500. Get your facts strait.

Lack of maintenance. People need to understand when you buy a car you have to still spend money to keep it running correctly.
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Old 04-12-2012, 11:23 PM   #11
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No the oil change interval is not 7500. Get your facts strait.

Lack of maintenance. People need to understand when you buy a car you have to still spend money to keep it running correctly.
Um, facts checked- https://www.subaru.com/my-subaru/mai...edule2009.html (of course unless it's driven under severe driving conditions*)

And yes, there was lack of maintenance- I never disagreed with that.
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Old 04-12-2012, 11:29 PM   #12
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yes. a subaru flat 4 engine will blow up if its running with about 1qt in it. go ahead and try it once on your car. being N/A has nothing to do with it. run it low on oil, dry up the rod bearings and get back to us...
I'm sure it will. Just because a dealer/mechanic says there was only 1qt in it when they drained it, doesn't mean that is how much was in there when it blew. Could it have been low? Yes. We don't have details if there was an oil leak upon detonation. Pretty sure some of the '09 WRX's that had the bearing issure and blew had reports of low oil upon arrival.

Bottom line, the OP was just wondering if there was a problem with the NA cars like the WRX line. Is it going to be hard for him to plead his case to get a warranty repair...definately.
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Old 04-13-2012, 10:26 AM   #13
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Um, facts checked- https://www.subaru.com/my-subaru/mai...edule2009.html (of course unless it's driven under severe driving conditions*)

And yes, there was lack of maintenance- I never disagreed with that.
Yes in a perfect world it's 7500. News flash there is no perfect. Everyone is severe driving conditions. If you sit in traffic that's severe. If you're in a cold climate or really hot climate that's severe. If you only drive short distances like old people that's severe. So aprox 3750 change you're oil. Realistically you should be checking your oil maybe every other gas fill up. They wouldn't have run the engine dry.
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I'm sure it will. Just because a dealer/mechanic says there was only 1qt in it when they drained it, doesn't mean that is how much was in there when it blew. Could it have been low? Yes. We don't have details if there was an oil leak upon detonation. Pretty sure some of the '09 WRX's that had the bearing issure and blew had reports of low oil upon arrival.

Bottom line, the OP was just wondering if there was a problem with the NA cars like the WRX line. Is it going to be hard for him to plead his case to get a warranty repair...definately.
False, 09' wrx's had bearing issues because the engine supplier put the old style cranks in instead of the nitride cranks.
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I didn't say the cars blew because of low oil, but I believe some arrived at the dealer with low oil after it detonated and were threatened against warranty work...maybe I'm wrong or my memory serves me wrong since I'm not 20-something anymore. I have an '09 and read almost every post about the 09's detonating... bottom line no official reason from Subaru, only reports from Subaru to a couple members about changing the bearing to one that was silver coated and that the QC process wasn't adjusted accordingly with the cranks. Hence silver showing up in the UOA's from some.

Yes, most every day driving is severe. And a wise owner would not go 7500mi without changing, yet checking their oil. But Subaru has put that up there as a possibility. Severe driving qualifications affect different aspects of the engine components, too, and when they need to be changed.

OP- there's not a similarity with the wrx and your problems. Unfortunately lack of maintenance is your issue.
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Good luck getting that warrantied.
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I didn't say the cars blew because of low oil, but I believe some arrived at the dealer with low oil after it detonated and were threatened against warranty work...maybe I'm wrong or my memory serves me wrong since I'm not 20-something anymore. I have an '09 and read almost every post about the 09's detonating... bottom line no official reason from Subaru, only reports from Subaru to a couple members about changing the bearing to one that was silver coated and that the QC process wasn't adjusted accordingly with the cranks. Hence silver showing up in the UOA's from some.

Yes, most every day driving is severe. And a wise owner would not go 7500mi without changing, yet checking their oil. But Subaru has put that up there as a possibility. Severe driving qualifications affect different aspects of the engine components, too, and when they need to be changed.

OP- there's not a similarity with the wrx and your problems. Unfortunately lack of maintenance is your issue.
Your memory serves you wrong. The original bearing problem was the wrong crank. Don't know what detonation issue you're talking about but they do have the ringland issue due to the factory tune being to lean. Not the same thing at all.
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