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Old 04-13-2012, 12:30 PM   #401
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But yeah the coldest weather my car has seen was 40°F. But I did buy it in winter and still got the same great mileage as when it warmed up to 80°F.
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Old 04-13-2012, 05:43 PM   #402
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where did you get the sway bar and how much was it? Imo every car I have ever owned has had an undersized sway bar. I don't think my tundra even has one
I ordered it from Subaru for around 114 and the bushings for about 8.00 each (2) part numbers 20451fg020 and 20464fg020. $138 for all w/tax
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Old 04-13-2012, 06:51 PM   #403
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I'm on my 2nd tank of gas 2012 impreza premium sedan with CVT. Very first tank I calculated 24.58 & the dash said 25.1. 2nd tank the dash says 28.2 & I'm assuming I'm getting about the same due to how accurate it was the first tank. Big jump between the 1st & 2nd tank & the conditions have been about the same.
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Old 04-13-2012, 07:12 PM   #404
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continued evidence that:
- this car gets poor mileage when it's cold and getting started up (even in mild climates)
- once warmed up, the mileage can be very good.

my few data points on this new tank i bought last night. (all numbers from onboard computer)
- bought gas and drove home with mixed city/highway for 8 miles: 33 mpg
- drove to work this morning (didn't take train)...first 4 miles, drops down to under 30 mpg, but after 12 miles total, it is back up to 31 mpg.
- early departure today, initially, milage falls to just under 30, but after putting on a total of 30+ miles, my average is now sitting at 35 mpg. (20/80 city/highway ratio with 65 mph highway speeds)
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Old 04-13-2012, 08:01 PM   #405
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I have noticed that when it gets cold my mpg goes down in any vehicle. Cold air=more dense=more power= more gasoline used. It's basic principals of an engine. on Vehicles that get 16 mpg on average i usually see 14 when it's cold out. That seems to be about in line with what you guys are getting when it's colder out.
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Old 04-13-2012, 08:30 PM   #406
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I have noticed that when it gets cold my mpg goes down in any vehicle. Cold air=more dense=more power= more gasoline used. It's basic principals of an engine. on Vehicles that get 16 mpg on average i usually see 14 when it's cold out. That seems to be about in line with what you guys are getting when it's colder out.
absolutely. of course, when you live in a mild climate like CA, the winter/summer changes aren't as significant, in my experience. (i noticed this much more when i lived in MA)

but my point, in case it wasn't clear, is that regardless of air temperature, the 2012 Impreza seems to have an extended low mileage period when the car itself is trying to warm up. i agree with the hypothesis which suggests that this may be due to the larger amount of oil that this car uses compared to other small cars. (my wife's prius and my old honda use 3.5 qts vs 5.3 on the '12 impreza)
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Old 04-13-2012, 08:57 PM   #407
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If the cold air is whats causing poor mileage whoy do folks with "cold air kits" rave about their 1 or 2 mpg increase? The cold weather makes that 5.3 quarts of oil harder to get warm. And with the cvt and all that fluid it takes even longer. I start my car in a garage and open the garage door. The blue light goes off after 30-45 secs and by a block or two of driving the gear oil and drivetrain have "warmed up" a bit. If I lived up north I could see how warmup times could be way worse.
But I have tried using the cruise control vs not and I do better without it 75% of the time.
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Old 04-13-2012, 11:46 PM   #408
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But I have tried using the cruise control vs not and I do better without it 75% of the time.
i haven't used cruise on this car yet since i'm breaking it in. yet, i think you are right: no matter what car i've driven, i think i can do as well or better driving without cruise control if it's not a purely flat highway. the cruise control always is trying to keep the speed constant, and that isn't always the most efficient option whether with a automatic or manual transmission in my experience.
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I just did mostly city almost all city and got 30.16 mpg.
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Old 04-14-2012, 10:34 AM   #410
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So -Thule's = improved MPG. Makes sense for sure. I just took off my aero crossbars since I'm not using them for anything right now just to see if it's any difference.

So... How has your mileage improved since removing the aero bars? I'm going to look at an Impreza Sport Premium 5MT in a few minutes that has them and am curious to compare your answer to what the salesman tells me (Subaru of Ontario hasn't been rated on this site yet )
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Old 04-14-2012, 04:50 PM   #411
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If the cold air is whats causing poor mileage whoy do folks with "cold air kits" rave about their 1 or 2 mpg increase? The cold weather makes that 5.3 quarts of oil harder to get warm. And with the cvt and all that fluid it takes even longer. I start my car in a garage and open the garage door. The blue light goes off after 30-45 secs and by a block or two of driving the gear oil and drivetrain have "warmed up" a bit. If I lived up north I could see how warmup times could be way worse.
But I have tried using the cruise control vs not and I do better without it 75% of the time.
It's back to basic physics. More air in=more power= more efficient a car will be to do the same amount of work. For the most part when you put a turbo on a car it increases efficiency and you should see better mpg if your foot isn't in it all the time.

The V6 tundras see almost the same mpg as the huge 400 hp 5.7s since you aren't taxing the motor as much to get the heavy vehicle moving.

If I am not mistaken, the subaru uses a dry sump oil setup...that is one of the reason it requires more oil since there isn't a deep pan and collector.

IMO subaru should have put a turbo 2.0 or 1.8 on this impreza and it would a) make more power b) get better gas mileage. Look at fords turbo V6 ecotec motor. Fantastic power with the mpgs. It wouldn't surprise me if subaru starts offering a second small turbo engine option in the near future to compete with 2wd cars and their lower mpgs. Makes me think I should lease instead of buy when my car finally comes in.
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Old 04-14-2012, 05:14 PM   #412
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Default Continued poor mileage response from Subaru

Gang - I have been waiting for some type of official response on this poor mileage issue. I drive 10/90 city/highway, and have babied this car with feathering the throttle to achieve better mileage. I took the car in for it's first oil change and had the dealer document the poor mileage (28/29) highway.
I actually get better mileage in town then on the highway. Dealer stated that they are getting slammed by reports of the mileage problems and were waiting for some type of firmware fix from SOA. I have yet to be contacted on this. My car now has over 5k on the dail, so break-in should be over.
I contacted SOA via e-mail and got the following standard response:

Thank you for your message to Subaru of America, Inc.
We are sorry to hear that you are unhappy with the fuel economy you have experienced on your 2012 Subaru Impreza.
It is important to note that the MPG listed in the brochure and on the Monroney label are estimates only and actually fuel consumption is typically higher.
This is because EPA fuel consumption is calculated driving on a straight, level road at steady speeds.
Also, road conditions, weather, the number of drivers all factor into MPG.
The information regarding your vehicle’s fuel consumption is important to us.
It is documented and sent to Product Design and Product Planning for consideration in future model year vehicles.
We appreciate you taking the time to contact us with this information. Sincerely, ,

CDS E-Mail Representative, Subaru of America, Inc.

I explained that my 2011 Outback gets better mileage than the new Impreza
but no response to this.
What have you all heard from your dealers.
This car should not get 25 - 30% less than the indicated highway EPA mpg.
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Old 04-14-2012, 07:33 PM   #413
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Though everyone isn't completely satisfied, I'm beginning to see what the car is capable of. I filled up this morning (station .5 miles from my house, so the car was essentially cold after fill) and went for a 26.1 mile trip - overall drive was slightly uphill, though about a 5-7mph wind at the back of the car for most of the trip. Net reading of 40.5mpg (gauge has been about 1.5-2mpg optimistic); average speed was low 50s. It has leveled off to 38mpg since then (trip back, then a shorter multiple stop errand run this afternoon), but for my overall driving this car is ending up working out very well. As evidenced below, I'm just around 3800 miles and since oil change at 3200 I have noticed an overall increase in mpg. Anyway, had to take photo evidence:



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Old 04-15-2012, 02:43 AM   #414
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Alright, I mentioned earlier I was taking a trip from Omaha to Minneapolis this past weekend, I just got back.

It was a bit interesting threading through the weather on the way back.

My results:
I filled up in Des Moines, then headed up to Minneapolis, then Minneapolis to Sioux City, IA. This was 547.5 miles. I filled up with 13.622 gallons for a grand total of, 40.2 mpg! I knew I could do it =)

My Fuelly for the details:
http://www.fuelly.com/driver/xafen/impreza

In Des Moines I filled up with 87 octane 0 ethanol gas. At best I hit 44 mpg displayed, by Sioux City, it displayed 42.3 mpg.

The station in Sioux City didn't have 0 ethanol gas =/, and it showed, the ~100 miles back to Omaha only displayed 35 mpg. Of course, I was also running into some pretty nasty storms with wind at this point.

It is DEFINITELY worth it to find E0 gas if it's close, I use http://www.pure-gas.org. My results with E10 were pretty terrible, and E1-2 not as bad, but not as awesome as E0. My best possible displayed mpg with E1-2 was 39 on one trip to Lincoln and back.

Also, I could have easily hit 600 miles on a tank, video to follow, 630 is possible, with 640-650 probably out of reach and at real risk of running out of gas. I do no fill the neck, and always stop at the first click, after having put the nozel on medium flow after ~10 gallons.

Video: 50 miles left, 42.3 mpg displayed, 547.5 miles traveled, all trip A
http://videobam.com/kqeCt

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Over 547.5 miles, 40.2 MPG!
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Old 04-15-2012, 03:02 AM   #415
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Alright, I mentioned earlier I was taking a trip from Omaha to Minneapolis this past weekend, I just got back.

It was a bit interesting threading through the weather on the way back.

My results:
I filled up in Des Moines, then headed up to Minneapolis, then Minneapolis to Sioux City, IA. This was 547.5 miles. I filled up with 13.622 gallons for a grand total of, 40.2 mpg! I knew I could do it =)

My Fuelly for the details:
http://www.fuelly.com/driver/xafen/impreza

In Des Moines I filled up with 87 octane 0 ethanol gas. At best I hit 44 mpg displayed, by Sioux City, it displayed 42.3 mpg.

The station in Sioux City didn't have 0 ethanol gas =/, and it showed, the ~100 miles back to Omaha only displayed 35 mpg. Of course, I was also running into some pretty nasty storms with wind at this point.

It is DEFINITELY worth it to find E0 gas if it's close, I use http://www.pure-gas.org. My results with E10 were pretty terrible, and E1-2 not as bad, but not as awesome as E0. My best possible displayed mpg with E1-2 was 39 on one trip to Lincoln and back.

Also, I could have easily hit 600 miles on a tank, video to follow, 630 is possible, with 640-650 probably out of reach and at real risk of running out of gas. I do no fill the neck, and always stop at the first click, after having put the nozel on medium flow after ~10 gallons.

Video: 50 miles left, 42.3 mpg displayed, 547.5 miles traveled, all trip A
http://videobam.com/kqeCt

TLDR:
Over 547.5 miles, 40.2 MPG!
I am not sure how it everywhere else, but in my town it is 60 more cents to have E0 gas compared to E10 both at 87. I get 35 mpg currently on the freeway at 60-65mph. It cost 20%more but I only get 16% increase in mpg.
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Best I can do in the Northeast right here, while still driving somewhat normally. Maine to Pennsylvania and back. Twice:



Air temps normally between 55 and 70F. Cruise control set at 3 to 5 MPH over the limit, so mostly between 60 and 70 MPH. Almost no traffic, and I never pushed down the gas pedal far unless it was necessary. If the outside temps were any warmer, I would have had the A/C on while driving. The 34.9 and 35.x tanks of gas were fueled up at Sunoco stations in PA. The 32.6 and 33.7 tanks were filled at an Exxon station in Maine. All gas was E10. My car has 8K miles on it and I already did the first oil change.

Premium sedan + CVT. Here is the route, there is a ton of elevation change:

http://maps.google.com/maps?saddr=Ya...13&via=1,2&z=7

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Best I can do in the Northeast right here, while still driving somewhat normally. Maine to Pennsylvania and back. Twice:



Air temps normally between 55 and 70F. Cruise control set at 3 to 5 MPH over the limit, so mostly between 60 and 70 MPH. Almost no traffic, and I never pushed down the gas pedal far unless it was necessary. If the outside temps were any warmer, I would have had the A/C on while driving. The 34.9 and 35.x tanks of gas were fueled up at Sunoco stations in PA. The 32.6 and 33.7 tanks were filled at an Exxon station in Maine. All gas was E10. My car has 8K miles on it and I already did the first oil change.

Premium sedan + CVT. Here is the route, there is a ton of elevation change:

http://maps.google.com/maps?saddr=Ya...13&via=1,2&z=7
That's great you're getting awesome mileage. It just shows you that you can get the EPA highway mileage if you really try. Very cool!
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I am not sure how it everywhere else, but in my town it is 60 more cents to have E0 gas compared to E10 both at 87. I get 35 mpg currently on the freeway at 60-65mph. It cost 20%more but I only get 16% increase in mpg.
Ya, E0 is only 5-10 cents more here, so for me it's definitely worth it. Although if you can't find E0, even 87 octane with just 1-2% ethanol is better than 89 octane 10% ethanol.

State regulations vary at which point stations have to label the gas as having ethanol, but asking your station, and referring to pure-gas.org should provide answers.

Then you just have to figure out if they % increase in mpg is worth the % increase in price.
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you guys are lucky. no E0 or E1-2 within 50-100 miles of my house. Illinois sucks for gas!
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Old 04-15-2012, 03:30 PM   #420
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Ya, E0 is only 5-10 cents more here, so for me it's definitely worth it. Although if you can't find E0, even 87 octane with just 1-2% ethanol is better than 89 octane 10% ethanol.

State regulations vary at which point stations have to label the gas as having ethanol, but asking your station, and referring to pure-gas.org should provide answers.

Then you just have to figure out if they % increase in mpg is worth the % increase in price.
About 12 cents difference from what I see here in Omaha. Where are you finding the 5-10 cent differences? I normally use Buckey's gas as I tend to get better MPG with it. I tried a tank of the 87 E0 -vs- 89 E10 and only realized about 1 or 2 (maybe less than 2) MPG gain.

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you guys are lucky. no E0 or E1-2 within 50-100 miles of my house. Illinois sucks for gas!
Also from what I remember (trip a few years ago) it costs about 30+ cents more per gallon than the surrounding areas.
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Alright, I mentioned earlier I was taking a trip from Omaha to Minneapolis this past weekend, I just got back.

It was a bit interesting threading through the weather on the way back.

My results:
I filled up in Des Moines, then headed up to Minneapolis, then Minneapolis to Sioux City, IA. This was 547.5 miles. I filled up with 13.622 gallons for a grand total of, 40.2 mpg! I knew I could do it =)

My Fuelly for the details:
http://www.fuelly.com/driver/xafen/impreza

In Des Moines I filled up with 87 octane 0 ethanol gas. At best I hit 44 mpg displayed, by Sioux City, it displayed 42.3 mpg.

The station in Sioux City didn't have 0 ethanol gas =/, and it showed, the ~100 miles back to Omaha only displayed 35 mpg. Of course, I was also running into some pretty nasty storms with wind at this point.

It is DEFINITELY worth it to find E0 gas if it's close, I use http://www.pure-gas.org. My results with E10 were pretty terrible, and E1-2 not as bad, but not as awesome as E0. My best possible displayed mpg with E1-2 was 39 on one trip to Lincoln and back.

Also, I could have easily hit 600 miles on a tank, video to follow, 630 is possible, with 640-650 probably out of reach and at real risk of running out of gas. I do no fill the neck, and always stop at the first click, after having put the nozel on medium flow after ~10 gallons.

Video: 50 miles left, 42.3 mpg displayed, 547.5 miles traveled, all trip A
http://videobam.com/kqeCt

TLDR:
Over 547.5 miles, 40.2 MPG!
awesome! thanks for sharing!

too bad E0 gas isn't easy to get for most of us.
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so far im getting around 29mpg
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About 12 cents difference from what I see here in Omaha. Where are you finding the 5-10 cent differences? I normally use Buckey's gas as I tend to get better MPG with it. I tried a tank of the 87 E0 -vs- 89 E10 and only realized about 1 or 2 (maybe less than 2) MPG gain.

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Sam's Club has E0 at a good price, for members. I am going to be trying to coordinate my grocery trips with fill-ups from now on. The Des Moines was really my first test with it, for the most part I have just been using the 87 octane most places, that has 1-2% ethanol. That is 10 cents more on average than the E10 89 octane.
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