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Old 04-16-2012, 03:26 AM   #51
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lol, legal advice from GEDs

get a lawyer
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Old 04-16-2012, 03:36 AM   #52
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Get a lawyer because you do not want to be ****ed at the age of 18 on insurance and prior record (which future cops will check when they pull you over).

And to the part in parentheses, you need to slow it down as you've admitted so this doesn't happen in the future.
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Old 04-16-2012, 06:32 AM   #53
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This thread reminds me to go to penndot and take that test to lower points. Thanks!
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Old 04-16-2012, 06:37 AM   #54
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Judge hate lawyer unless judge have mutual respect for certain lawyer. If u do call ask the lawyer how well they stand with county.

As far as 18 first offense. Got to court ask to see the judge. **** the prosecutor. Go to judge. Ask him for forgiveness. Address him as your. Honour. No sir no ma am bullcrap. Your Honour!!!! U care to remember that well son. That your honour can make a big difference between 500 dollars fine with hourly community service a year probation and 125 dollars with 6 months probation.

Lawyers are only when your freedom with society is about to seize to exist.
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Old 04-16-2012, 06:37 AM   #55
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You all act like you have never speed before. Since im sure the majorty of prople on here are wrx or sti owners you are full of **** if you have never opened your car up or showed some honda whos boss on public roads and if you havent you prob should own a honda. Sometimes you get cought and have to pay the price.
And sometimes you kill someone. Kind of a high price to pay for showing some Honda who's boss on public roads.

Please trade in your car for a used tricycle.
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Old 04-16-2012, 07:03 AM   #56
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Yeah I was all nice to him I never bac talked once I had all of my paperwork ready. He asked how fast I said honestly 80 he told me 89 I said okay I was very polite I never showed hesitation or anything
It depends upon where you live -- I personally have never been a jerk to a police officer and dress up nice for court.

Every time I have been pulled over I have gotten a ticket (I have never been given a warning). Each time I have pled not guilty, shown up in court, and they reduced the charges to a "non-moving" offense and collected a fine (I have had 4-5 tickets in my life).

The last time I was pulled over the officer handed me the ticket and TOLD ME TO PLEAD INNOCENT AND SHOW UP IN COURT. This tells you right away that it is all about the revenue and quotas (or "wanting to appear to be very active in controlling traffic" -- however you want to describe it). In court they reduced the charge to a non-moving violation and collected my money.

My last ticket was over 5 years ago, and I have never been more than 10-15 miles over the speed limit when pulled over. Obviously no DUI's and I wasn't getting multiple tickets each year. If that is the direction you go you will need a lawyer (because if you have the money, the law will bend over for you most of the time).

The worst places to get pulled over are small towns that still have their own police force (instead of using the State Police or Sheriff). Those small towns have to pay for their police force somehow, and the thing that pays for it are their constant use of speed traps.

If you live in Massachusetts you should know by now that Charlemont on Route 2 is one such place (I've never been pulled over there, but every time I drive through there is a car waiting to pull someone over or someone pulled over).

My worst ticket in NY was at a State Park in the winter -- open but abandoned -- where a Park Police Officer (a division of the State Police only assigned to State Parks) sits during the offseason enforcing the 30mph speed limit (just a few feet past the 50mph section). This park has a highway running through it, only there are marked speed zones due to the number of parking areas and number of people who go to the park (in the summer!). They sit there all winter writing tickets because the park is empty and they have nothing else to do with their time, enforcing a speed limit that is meant to protect all the park visitors (the ones who are not there in the winter). It is a bad joke.

My "new" brother-in-law is a retired city detective (and a friend, another brother-in-law is retired from being an assistant chief of the fire department in the city I work in, who is also friends with the mayor and all the other local officials).

That means that for me any future tickets will get bumped down with a phone call (usually you cannot get them cancelled after they are written) -- just like he arranges for everyone else in the family.

That should make you wonder how many sons of judges, police officers, or local politicians are sitting next to you at court waiting to pay a fine (if they are there, there is a lawyer standing next to them -- but really most get it dismissed before the court date). Justice is not blind.

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Old 04-16-2012, 07:54 AM   #57
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i'm not sure i understand all this speeding kills bs.

i don't take any of this argumentation seriously when there are still cell phones and hands free devices allowed.

i sped in my wrx. and i speed all the time on my motorcycle. with 0 accidents averaging 40k miles a year on my car and now my motorcycle (my wrx is sold). speeding has actually saved my ass. especially on my bike.

if you want to talk safety. and be serious. you outlaw everything you can't do on a motorcycle for people who drive cars. but since that's rather crazy. i'd start with a nationwide ban on cell phones and hands-free devices while driving. because lack of attention and awareness is much more dangerous than going 20 over. since many highways are wide and open.
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Old 04-16-2012, 09:33 AM   #58
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i'm not sure i understand all this speeding kills bs.

i don't take any of this argumentation seriously when there are still cell phones and hands free devices allowed.

i sped in my wrx. and i speed all the time on my motorcycle. with 0 accidents averaging 40k miles a year on my car and now my motorcycle (my wrx is sold). speeding has actually saved my ass. especially on my bike.

if you want to talk safety. and be serious. you outlaw everything you can't do on a motorcycle for people who drive cars. but since that's rather crazy. i'd start with a nationwide ban on cell phones and hands-free devices while driving. because lack of attention and awareness is much more dangerous than going 20 over. since many highways are wide and open.
Statistically, 10 over is the safest speed. In 10 years as a firefighter in Metro Atlanta, I have seen very few accidents caused by speed. Speed may have been a factor, or made the situation worse. It's possible that some of the accidents could have been avoided if they were going slower, but speed rarely caused the accident. Like you said, it was usually the person not paying attention and on the phone, reading the paper, putting on make-up, drunk, etc.

The last time I was pulled over and was asked why I was speeding, my response was I am going 10 over because it is statistically the safest speed. Be respectful to the officer, stop where it will be as safe as possible for him/her to get out of their car, roll down your windows, turn the car off, have your paperwork and license ready, interior lights on if it's dark, and both of your hands on the steering wheel. I've been pulled over several times, but my driving record is completely clear and my insurance rates are low compared to most.
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Old 04-16-2012, 09:56 AM   #59
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i'm not sure i understand all this speeding kills bs.
It's not speeding itself but the difference in the speed compared to other cars around you. Going with the flow is the safest.

But speed does kill. As an insurance appraiser most fatal accidents I see are single car accidents were speed was a major factor. Most rollover accidents I see are also single car accidents where the driver lost control in part due to speed and road conditions.
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Old 04-16-2012, 10:32 AM   #60
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and this is why young kids need tobe driving slow arse, ***tbox cars. good luck bud, you're going to need it. if i was a judge and someone 18yrs old came in speeding that grossly, i'd yank their license with the quickness
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Old 04-16-2012, 10:54 AM   #61
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speeding on local roads can spell disaster. and that stuff is typically stupid. so there is an argument there.

but it is simply absurd seeing a trooper gun people on 3 lane interstates that are wide open. and then treat you like you're plowing through baby seals.
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Old 04-16-2012, 10:57 AM   #62
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Judge hate lawyer unless judge have mutual respect for certain lawyer. If u do call ask the lawyer how well they stand with county.

As far as 18 first offense. Got to court ask to see the judge. **** the prosecutor. Go to judge. Ask him for forgiveness. Address him as your. Honour. No sir no ma am bullcrap. Your Honour!!!! U care to remember that well son. That your honour can make a big difference between 500 dollars fine with hourly community service a year probation and 125 dollars with 6 months probation.

Lawyers are only when your freedom with society is about to seize to exist.
It's "ceased" by the way.... /facepalm
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Old 04-16-2012, 11:11 AM   #63
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And sometimes you kill someone. Kind of a high price to pay for showing some Honda who's boss on public roads.

Please trade in your car for a used tricycle.
Maybe im just a better driver idk. Im not saying I go run qtr miles on the street all day long but to blow threw first and second when the light turns green never hurt anyone. Im very aware of my surroundings also most dudes get caught up in the moment and dont see the granny crossing the street before its to late. Jus sayin
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speeding on local roads can spell disaster. and that stuff is typically stupid. so there is an argument there.

but it is simply absurd seeing a trooper gun people on 3 lane interstates that are wide open. and then treat you like you're plowing through baby seals.
i just got a mental image of a subie plowing through a river of baby seals
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Old 04-16-2012, 12:04 PM   #65
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i just got a mental image of a subie plowing through a river of baby seals
Lol thats funny right thr
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Old 04-16-2012, 12:11 PM   #66
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It's "ceased" by the way.... /facepalm
It's "cease".
Dumb and dumber.
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Old 04-16-2012, 12:26 PM   #67
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I saw a police video where a man driving a car was stopped by police officer. When a ticket was issued to this man, he went ballistic, shouting at the police and he threw all the tickets on the streets.
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Old 04-16-2012, 01:11 PM   #68
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Write up something like this:

http://arxiv.org/pdf/1204.0162v1.pdf

Then, stop speeding
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Old 04-16-2012, 02:04 PM   #69
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We had a local LEO on tape (the newspaper was able to get a copy of the booking video) drunk as hell refusing a breathalizer test after being pulled over by officers in another local town. He was being counseled by union representatives about what to do.

He refused the breathalyzer that he would have failed, pled innocent, and fought the ticket.

Watching him on video trying to get out of the situation with the other officers was priceless. It didn't help his case that they found him asleep on a major local interstate (no rest areas on that road).

I say do what the LEO and local judges do when they get in trouble -- deny fault and fight it.

http://www.timesunion.com/local/arti...WI-1335890.php

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Old 04-16-2012, 02:05 PM   #70
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I would just pay the ticket and be done with it. I just seems stupid to me when people post these things. You got stopped doing 20+ mph over the posted limit! Were you going that fast? If so then pay it. I you weren't for some reason and you can prove it then fight it. Trying to fight something you were actually guilty of just seems like a waste of more time and money.
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Old 04-16-2012, 02:12 PM   #71
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the 3 steps to having a ticket knocked down/thrown away

1) GO TO COURT

2) LOOK DECENT

3) BE HONEST. dont bull**** the prosecutor/officer if he shows/judge with some roundabout story. you were speeding. Be honest, own up to it, step up and show some character.

if you have a chance to pay a higher fine rather than having points on your license, take that. having a clean license is the first thing a cop looks at when determining wether or not to cut you a break off the bat.
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Maybe im just a better driver idk. Im not saying I go run qtr miles on the street all day long but to blow threw first and second when the light turns green never hurt anyone. Im very aware of my surroundings also most dudes get caught up in the moment and dont see the granny crossing the street before its to late. Jus sayin
Seems like everyone on this site is such a superior driver, at least in their own minds. (My apologies to those with competition licenses, but in my experience, I've found that those who race on the track tend to keep it there.)

Blowing through first and second gear when the light turns green is called reckless driving. Take it to a track, will you please?
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I would just pay the ticket and be done with it. I just seems stupid to me when people post these things. You got stopped doing 20+ mph over the posted limit! Were you going that fast? If so then pay it. I you weren't for some reason and you can prove it then fight it. Trying to fight something you were actually guilty of just seems like a waste of more time and money.
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Always plead innocent and go to court (wear a shirt and tie, you'll be amused at the number of people showing up wearing wife beaters).

The worst thing that will happen is you will pay the original fine.

Usually they will plea it down to a lesser violation and charge you less in fines.
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lol I am no lawyer, just saying what I would do. Maybe I have a different view point because I am not 18. If I get a speeding ticket and I chose to fight it in court I don't think the court is going to be nice and schedule a hearing on my day off which means taking a day off to go, which in turn costs me more money. Maybe it gets knocked down but it still costs me or maybe I pay the original fine so now I didn't make any money missing part or all of work for the day and I still had to pay them something. If I go hold up the the bank down the street will you be available to offer me legal advice? Should I plead innocent and wear a shirt and tie to my court date? Sorry for the rant, just my point of view
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Speeding tickets and bank robbery? Well I guess if you do rob a bank you are probably going to speed away, but then the speeding ticket would be the least of your legal troubles.

But at least you wouldn't have to worry about missing your court date, because they would hold you in jail in preparation for it.

If you pay the ticket once you get it in the mail you will likely get assigned points against your license. Those cost you more money because they usually lead to insurance surcharges (so you are paying the fine, and higher insurance costs, until those points dissapear which usually takes three years after the violation).

Too many points and you lose your license. Insurance companies love/hate points -- they hate to see you have them because they know you are a risk to insure, and the love that you have them because then they can raise their premium to cover the additional percieved risk.

You can do the math for yourself and decide if it is cheaper to just pay it vs fighting the ticket.

My hunch is the 18 year old isn't going to earn enough in his job to make it worth while to pay the ticket so he does not miss work.

Insurance is already expensive for 18 year olds, accumulating points on his license will make it far worse!

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