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Old 12-07-2011, 02:22 PM   #51
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does anybody have maps for a 2005 RS? i can find any. Please help. thanks!!
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Old 12-07-2011, 07:37 PM   #52
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PM me with your email and mods and I'll send you some
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Old 12-08-2011, 01:25 PM   #53
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06 and 07 maps dont work on an 05
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Old 04-15-2012, 04:11 PM   #54
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Looking for stage 3 maps (cams, headers+exhaust and intake) for an '05 RS.
If anybody has something.

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Old 04-15-2012, 04:12 PM   #55
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Who on earth claims that's Stage III?


I've always called that "daily driver"
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Old 04-15-2012, 04:23 PM   #56
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Who on earth claims that's Stage III?


I've always called that "daily driver"
Daily driver it is, but I still need AP maps for it as the PP6 is out and the AP in.
Rallitek is actually calling it stage 3 at least for the PP6 maps...

So if anyone can help, I don't have access to a good tuner now the closest being a 6 hours drive.
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Old 04-15-2012, 04:33 PM   #57
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TBH, with headers and cams (the intake isn't worth including in any list of things that make power), you really need a custom tune for your car, not a generic off the shelf tune or a tune for someone else's car. Either of those things is likely to just result in your engine blowing.
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Old 04-15-2012, 05:09 PM   #58
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TBH, with headers and cams (the intake isn't worth including in any list of things that make power), you really need a custom tune for your car, not a generic off the shelf tune or a tune for someone else's car. Either of those things is likely to just result in your engine blowing.

Do you know anything about ecu logic?

If there is a problem, the ecu will account for it.. up to -20 or 20% fueling, and any timing rectification..
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Old 04-15-2012, 05:36 PM   #59
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Do you know anything about ecu logic?

If there is a problem, the ecu will account for it.. up to -20 or 20% fueling, and any timing rectification..
ECU logic is no substitute for an actual, correct tune. The difference from one header to another, or one cam grind to another, plus permutations thereof makes a real tune a very good idea. Unless you don't mind paying $400+ for your AP and getting less than half of its potential value.
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Old 04-15-2012, 05:39 PM   #60
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Do you know anything about ecu logic?

If there is a problem, the ecu will account for it.. up to -20 or 20% fueling, and any timing rectification..
Hes got a negative approach to any form of engine mods.

However when in open loop (or is it closed... I always get them confused) the fuel tables need to be pretty spot on.

I suggest going to mikey for a tune. He worked wonders on my cammed 05 and its an E tune... no need for him to be in your presence.
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Old 04-15-2012, 06:48 PM   #61
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Do you know anything about ecu logic?
I'm not sure that I have my SCIC slang right, but I believe the applicable colloquial phrase in this instance is "Boy, you best check yoself before you wreck yoself."

Take a look at who the OP is on 80% of the threads on NASIOC that are about tuning, ECU reprogramming, and actual testing of the 05 and newer NAs. Then ask yourself that question again.

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If there is a problem, the ecu will account for it.. up to -20 or 20% fueling, and any timing rectification..
Right, the fact that you bring this up proves that you are the one who doesn't understand enough about the way the ECU works. The ECU can make extremely coarse, reactive corrections to fueling and timing. In other words, it has a fighting chance of keeping the engine from blowing up as long as you don't screw up the hardware. The ECU is not capable of optimizing its behavior to maximize the benefit of the hardware you've installed. Even within that narrow scope, it's entirely possible to end up with a situation where the engine will destroy itself before the ECU has a chance to compensate in an attempt to save the engine.

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ECU logic is no substitute for an actual, correct tune. The difference from one header to another, or one cam grind to another, plus permutations thereof makes a real tune a very good idea. Unless you don't mind paying $400+ for your AP and getting less than half of its potential value.
Awesome summation.

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Hes got a negative approach to any form of engine mods.
Sort of. I am very negative about stupidity and bad ideas, that's for sure. Mostly it's that 90% of engine questions asked on NASIOC are about things that are a bad idea. Here's the thing, I've been there, done that, and blown it up when it comes to SOHC EJ25s at this point. Between all the research I've done with my car, all the research I've done in conjunction with the people who make parts, and all the cars I've built for customers, I have a pretty good idea what works and what doesn't work.

Sadly, the truth of it is that there's not a whole lot that works and what does work isn't cheap. If you want a NA EJ25 to make power, it isn't going to be cheap and it really isn't going to make that much power. Making even that much power is going to force some compromises in it's daily drivability. By choosing how you spend your money wisely, you can actually arrive at a car that has more zip and is more fun to drive, but you don't get there via buying the cheapest parts on eBay and just bolting **** on (which is what 90% of the questions on here are about).

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However when in open loop (or is it closed... I always get them confused) the fuel tables need to be pretty spot on.
I'd argue that it needs to be pretty accurate everywhere, given how coarse the fueling corrections are. However, you're correct that full throttle and high engine speed is where it's most critical that the ECU be custom tuned for the specific hardware the car has installed.
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Old 04-16-2012, 01:48 AM   #62
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williaty, you made a stupid hyperbolic generalization.I called you out on it, that is it.
I've read your threads, you seem to have a moderate understanding of how these fangled machines work.
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Old 04-16-2012, 03:03 AM   #63
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williaty, you made a stupid hyperbolic generalization.I called you out on it, that is it.
I've read your threads, you seem to have a moderate understanding of how these fangled machines work.
"A car with intake, headers, and cams ought to have a custom tune" is not a hyperbolic generalization, it's the truth.
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Old 04-16-2012, 12:15 PM   #64
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"A car with intake, headers, and cams ought to have a custom tune" is not a hyperbolic generalization, it's the truth.
an anemic little 2.5L na won't explode with simple bolt ons, as you put it.
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Old 04-16-2012, 01:57 PM   #65
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an anemic little 2.5L na won't explode with simple bolt ons, as you put it.
How does the displacement have anything to do with it's how well out can tolerate a bad tune? Anemic as in way too much timing from the factory and knock city on any pump gas in anything but arctic climate conditions? Thats hardly anemic as far as how hard those 2.5 liters are pushed by the stock tune. An off the shelf tune will either be just as bad, or leave lots on the table for the $400+ the AP costs.
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Old 04-16-2012, 03:10 PM   #66
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Does anyone know how I can read my 2005 Subaru Outback N/A? There doesnt seem to be a read template in ecuflash. I have headers and want to modify my flash. Maybe there is something else I can use like romraider?
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Old 04-16-2012, 04:21 PM   #67
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Does anyone know how I can read my 2005 Subaru Outback N/A? There doesnt seem to be a read template in ecuflash. I have headers and want to modify my flash. Maybe there is something else I can use like romraider?
You can read it with either if the ecu is supported. Check the Romraider forum and openecu.net for links to the correct definitions and latest versions for your ecu.
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Old 04-16-2012, 06:12 PM   #68
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I dont think the ecu is supported or at least I cant find the read template for ecuflash. I tried all of the other models to read it with but they wont connect. I only have 15 total read templates in my ecuflash and that includes the Mitsubishi. Can I add more read templates?
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Old 04-16-2012, 06:37 PM   #69
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an anemic little 2.5L na won't explode with simple bolt ons, as you put it.
Will and has. In fact, even stock ones will knock themselves apart from time to time. Add how scary the stock tune is to any little change made by a bolt on that happens to push the thing in the wrong direction and you're setting on a grenade with the pin pulled. No every one will have a problem. Some will. This is why a custom tune is a good idea. It accounts for the actual reality of your own car.
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Old 10-16-2013, 06:52 PM   #70
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I'm looking for 08 2.5i maps, does anyone here have them? I've been looking for them everywhere, but no one seems to have them. (Sorry for bringing back an old thread)
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Old 02-03-2014, 10:56 PM   #71
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im looking for 2005 wrx maps, i only have de cobb maps, mario_sergio64@hotmail.com
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Old 02-03-2014, 10:57 PM   #72
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This thread is not about maps for the WRX.
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Old 02-03-2014, 11:49 PM   #73
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He must be a foreign, ESL newbie to the forum.
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Old 02-03-2014, 11:51 PM   #74
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Ahh, with that name, that could be the explanation. Of course, then he's going to need maps for the EDM cars and most people on this forum are likely to be USDM.
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Old 03-06-2014, 04:00 PM   #75
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I need 2006 Impreza 2.5i (MT) AP performance maps.


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