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Old 11-02-2011, 08:21 PM   #26
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i have a 2009 impreza 2.5i and am seriously contemplating this swap. I have been researching for about the last 3 months. I have a few questions you may be able to answer. As far as parts are concerned, hood (optional probably purchasing fmic), crossmember, full cabin harness with ecu immobilizer and keys, engine harness, upgraded impreza clutch. All sound about right? Lastly, and this is where the questions comes in 2.5 out of wrx. Does the engine have to be out of an 08+ or could it be from any with the drive by wire, say like an 06-07?
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Old 11-03-2011, 12:05 PM   #27
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Yes the fuel pump in a WRX is bigger than the 2.5i you will need the harness for this as it is completely different for a wrx. To be safe, I swapped it out completely, also putting a Walbro in it's place.

I also dont know about the '08 2.5i, but the 06 2.5i only has 2 fuel lines, and the WRX has 3. I would look into that as well if I were you. Also make sure you have the fuel controller as well.
It looks like the ABS unit is also significantly different. I got the controller from my source car(manual, w/turbo), but are any of the lines different?
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Old 11-04-2011, 01:40 AM   #28
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i have a 2009 impreza 2.5i and am seriously contemplating this swap. I have been researching for about the last 3 months. I have a few questions you may be able to answer. As far as parts are concerned, hood (optional probably purchasing fmic), crossmember, full cabin harness with ecu immobilizer and keys, engine harness, upgraded impreza clutch. All sound about right? Lastly, and this is where the questions comes in 2.5 out of wrx. Does the engine have to be out of an 08+ or could it be from any with the drive by wire, say like an 06-07?
Sounds good! Don't forget your fuel system (WRX/walbro pump, lines and wiring), exhaust, downpipe, intake airbox and anything else your motor doesnt come with.

As far as the motor, I am not sure you can use an older motor with your 09 (I dont know if they changed the transmission, it may not mount up). I don't know why you would though, but keep in mind if you swap the motor to an older year, you wont be able to pass smog and you wont be able to get the car barred by the state you're in.
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Old 11-04-2011, 01:45 AM   #29
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It looks like the ABS unit is also significantly different. I got the controller from my source car(manual, w/turbo), but are any of the lines different?
Yea, I don't know enough about the '08 model. I never had to mess with my ABS unit at all, but things might be a little different with the newer models...
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Old 11-04-2011, 11:59 AM   #30
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If your goal is 350whp, you can pretty much get that from an wrx motor. All you would need would be sti tmic, sti turbo, walbro fuel pump, tbe and a good tune. the WRX motor already has enough injectors (550CC) but any more power than that would be unreliable. Using ethanol also would be a good idea here
Nice job on your swap. I want to clarify a couple things here - you'll never get an honest 350 whp out of a VF frame turbo from any year STi. By honest I mean on a wheel driven dyno (read: NOT dynapack) with the appropriate correction factor, etc. It's not altogether out of the realm of possibility to make that kind of power on an EJ255 block, but certainly not with 550cc injectors and a stock turbo. Bigger injectors, E85 or race gas, some tuning aids like water/meth, and you MIGHT get close with a stock turbo. Lots of tuners and shops will tell you anything to part you with your hard-earned cash, but please be aware that this is a stretch goal at best on stock parts.
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Old 11-08-2011, 10:13 PM   #31
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Very good thread and informational. I intend to make my 09 impreza an Sti sometime in the future, but cost is the main thing and its also my daily driver. Also, so i dont buy all the parts separably and making a few errors in the section, want a salvaged Sti where most of it is good. will i still need to tune it if i can swap everything, or will it basiclly be a Stock Sti?
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Old 11-10-2011, 09:08 AM   #32
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I too will be swapping an EJ255 into my '06 2.5i sometime within the next few months. Until I'm ready to go ahead with the project, I'll just need to source the right parts in the meantime. Thanks for the write up!
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Old 11-15-2011, 02:02 PM   #33
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I learned alot from this thread. You guys answerd one of the question i've been thinking abut for over a week know. (weither the clutch assembiles ar interchangable between 02-07 i's, RS, Wrx and STI) Now im wondering about suspension. Does anyone know if the suspension is interchangable?
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Old 11-16-2011, 01:11 AM   #34
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I wrote a similar thread a while back...

http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/show....php?t=2089781

I swapped a full V7 EJ207 into my bugeye RS.

After 25,000km and a year and a half.... I conditionally love it.

When its running well and I can get in and go... oh hell yes. I know there are faster cars, nicer cars... but this car really is mine. I know every bolt, every bushing, every component of the car and there is simply no substitute for that.

However, when its not working.. or when im trying to fix something... and I cant just get in and drive it...I hate it. I dream about selling it and buying an Audi.

Currently (as of Sunday), the car is working... so I love it.

Do I regret doing it? Absolutely not. I had the money and time to sink into the project and treated it as a learning experience. I definitely didn't research enough and I definitely didn't have the parts on hand that I needed... but I learned a lot.
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Old 11-16-2011, 08:18 PM   #35
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I learned alot from this thread. You guys answerd one of the question i've been thinking abut for over a week know. (weither the clutch assembiles ar interchangable between 02-07 i's, RS, Wrx and STI) Now im wondering about suspension. Does anyone know if the suspension is interchangable?
Yes the suspension is interchangable at certain points.

Check the suspension forum for stickies and articles/post on compatibility. depending on the year, there are lot's of interchangeable parts for your car.
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Old 11-16-2011, 09:43 PM   #36
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Thanks for passing on ur experience
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Old 11-17-2011, 01:30 AM   #37
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IMO yes if you can do it your self and get all the parts cheap.
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Old 04-08-2012, 04:05 AM   #38
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[/quote] Second..... and most obvious reason for the swap vs. buying a WRX/STi is the price of INSURANCE!! its way cheaper for a 2.5i than a Turbo car, About half the price, I know this because I had a 05 STi and 03 WRX at one time. My insurance company uses your Vin# to base the vehicle make & model off of, yes they are aware of the swap and said if its factory Subaru parts then they dont care, any body shop will just get the price of repairs and parts for what they see.[/quote]

Nice, its an answer I've been looking for some time now.

Thanks for posting this thread, its very informative.
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Old 04-08-2012, 10:01 AM   #39
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just to clairify.

the 2006 2.5i has 1 fuel line as it is a returnless fuel system. the regulator and return line are in the tank. the second line in the engine bay is an evap line.

the wrx has a return style fuel system, and its fuel regulator is on the fuel rail.

when i swapped a 1992 eg33 into my 2006 2.5i, i ran my own return line and used a t-fitting on the jet pump line to the main pump. then plugged the intank regulator
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just to clairify.

the 2006 2.5i has 1 fuel line as it is a returnless fuel system. the regulator and return line are in the tank. the second line in the engine bay is an evap line.

the wrx has a return style fuel system, and its fuel regulator is on the fuel rail.

when i swapped a 1992 eg33 into my 2006 2.5i, i ran my own return line and used a t-fitting on the jet pump line to the main pump. then plugged the intank regulator
Good Clarification! I had to salvage the entire fuel system from another car to make this work.

So this is great for other people who encounter the same problem
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Old 04-27-2012, 01:02 PM   #41
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Usually the only reason someone attempts this swap is if they have too much negative equity on the car - owe too much on it still to sell..

Otherwise it doesn't make sense financially. You will spend much more on the swap - than just selling and purchasing..
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Old 04-27-2012, 09:17 PM   #42
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Usually the only reason someone attempts this swap is if they have too much negative equity on the car - owe too much on it still to sell..

Otherwise it doesn't make sense financially. You will spend much more on the swap - than just selling and purchasing..
I completely agree with you, as I stated at the beginning of the thread. Impreza owners look at there car, look at their interior, then look at the wrx, and look at the interior, and it looks almost identical.

Even the bodies look extremely similar, almost identical, and they think, "All I have to do is change my motor and the hood, and I'll have a WRX." this is the wrong thinking.

If someone knows what theyre doing, It can be fun. If not it is expensive.
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I'm of the mindset that the only swaps that really make since are GC swaps since a comparable factory option wasn't available here(plus the added weight savings with that chassis). While not my cup of tea, I can see the appeal to bugeye STI swaps for the lack of a factory option too.

Anything other than that it really has to become much more of a financial decision because you could buy what you are building from the factory. From looking at prices on the used market, you could maybe end up ahead for an STI swap into a newer RS if you got a killer deal on a wrecked STI and did all the labor yourself. That's assuming you're planning to keep the thing forever because you'll never be able to sell it for anywhere close to what an actual STI will go for. Or at least long enough for the cheaper insurance to make up the difference.

WRX swaps or paying somebody labor for the STI swap, forget about it. Like the OP was told prior to starting this process, sell your RS and buy a WRX or STI. It'll be cheaper from the start, and have better resale in the long run. If you can't get out of your current car because you're upside down, then throwing a bunch of money into it that you'll never get back is not the smart financial choice.
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Old 04-30-2012, 08:56 PM   #44
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to add a little more to "whats needed" ... my swap is from an 02 RS to an 06 STI.... the same will go for an 02-03 WRX or RS...

along with the other things that were mentioned, with this COMPLETE swap, you will also need the following

-STI pedal assembly (gas pedal is a throttle-by-wire, vs the standard throttle-by-cable on the earlier GDs)

-an adapter plate to mount the gas pedal, as it will NOT directly bolt in. one can be purchased at www.eastcoastswappers.com

-FULL abs system, including the control module, and all under the hood brake lines and perportioning valve

-struts or coilovers (the 5x100 and 5x114.3 hubs are different sizes, therefore the 5x100 struts/coilovers will not bolt to the 5x114.3 hubs

those are the important ones.. but there are a ton more, like door panels/window switches, instrument cluster, windshield wiper motor assembly, etc
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Those that like 02-03 front end... Buy 04 sti and take it to a body shop for front end swap.

Cost depends on how far you want to go and how "proper" you want it.

Also if staying stock brakes, leave abs alone... Easier to send out wiring and have it merged.

Dbw gas pedal bracket not needed, you can bolt on with one bolt ( not recommended)

Rs trans is push style and wrx/sti is pull style clutch.

5x114.3 is only different on the front strut bottom piece (5x100 unit can be drilled out to work or swap collar)


Another option is... Sell your car and use that money + swap money and buy swapped car for cheap.



Swap is not difficult to do. I did mine myself years ago with minimum mechanical experience.




P.s. rs isn't as light as you think.





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Those that like 02-03 front end... Buy 04 sti and take it to a body shop for front end swap.

Cost depends on how far you want to go and how "proper" you want it.

Also if staying stock brakes, leave abs alone... Easier to send out wiring and have it merged.

Dbw gas pedal bracket not needed, you can bolt on with one bolt ( not recommended)

Rs trans is push style and wrx/sti is pull style clutch.

5x114.3 is only different on the front strut bottom piece (5x100 unit can be drilled out to work or swap collar)

Another option is... Sell your car and use that money + swap money and buy swapped car for cheap.

Swap is not difficult to do. I did mine myself years ago with minimum mechanical experience.
i can see most of your response was directed towards me.. so lets dig deeper

i love how people say "just buy an STI" like everyone just have $15k-25k lying around... for most who do swaps, they do it because they can (and heres the key word) SLOWLY do the swap.. buy things piece by piece, over time.. not to mention, having a REAL bugeye, and doing a full swap is much more impressive then just buying an sti and swapping front ends. some people actually dont mind the hard work, and enjoy it

- my reference to swapping the ABS is directed towards what my title was 02/03 to 05/07 sti! COMPLETE swap! in other words, doing it CORRECTLY. cutting and splicing wires may be easier, but its not right! so MY post is regarding people who want to do a correct swap, with no corners cut!

-i love this one... "Dbw gas pedal bracket not needed, you can bolt on with one bolt ( not recommended)" ... SO, you try to contradict what i say by saying they dont have to buy an adapter, and 1 bolt will do..then say "but its not recommended"...LMAO... no crap it isnt recommended.. your saying "dont listen to the guy whos doing it right, and go my route of half assing things..but i dont recommend it!" pointless! GET AN ADAPTER BRACKET PEOPLE!

as for the coilovers... there are a few different options available to poeple in this situation... drilling out collars is NOT one i recommend to anyone! either replace the coilovers or the sleeves.

and as for your other option... id never buy a swapped car from someone else because they probably cut MANY corners, just like your telling people to do! thats just asking for a headache!
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Nobody is impressed with swapped Subaru. Also if you swap sti to a bug eye front, how would that be different from bug eye swapped to sti? End result should be the same.


How are you slowly and cheaply going to do a full 04-07 sti swap?

If you can afford parts, you can finance sti.

I don't like cutting corners and have over 20k in my rsti, was just saying that it can be done cheaply.

Merging wiring is not right? So ecs and iWire make money from people cutting corners?



Just a simple parts list that you can't slowly get

Engine
Trans
Harness
Brakes


If you do it slowly... Car will sit and rot away, seriously full swap done right is ~10k plus cost of your car. How long will it take to slowly save up?

Don't forget brake booster for the brembo brakes.
Fuel tank and steering rack is also something you want to swap.

Why is wiper motor needed? There is only a few wires to splice, they all work the same.

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This "the only time a swap makes sense" bs is just that... bull****. Who cares? It'll never make financial sense but modding a car doesn't make financial sense either. In fact, owning a car doesn't make financial sense, its a depreciating asset the moment you own it. You will never get out of a car what you put into it.

I did my swap because I wanted to. I wanted to learn about the car and learn some more mechanical skills. Two years previous, I had trouble figuring out how to put a CBE on my car.

Now, I've got a fairly unique motor (V7 EJ207) that is stronger than any Subaru motor ever released for USDM consumption and I can enjoy the fact that, while there are many cars that are faster or worth more, this car is more mine than most.

While there are times that its a complete pain in the ass and it might have been simpler to just sell my 02 RS and buy an STI, I can still go into the garage, look at my car, and it makes me smile.
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Nobody is impressed with swapped Subaru. Also if you swap sti to a bug eye front, how would that be different from bug eye swapped to sti? End result should be the same.


How are you slowly and cheaply going to do a full 04-07 sti swap?

If you can afford parts, you can finance sti.

I don't like cutting corners and have over 20k in my rsti, was just saying that it can be done cheaply.

Merging wiring is not right? So ecs and iWire make money from people cutting corners?



Just a simple parts list that you can't slowly get

Engine
Trans
Harness
Brakes


If you do it slowly... Car will sit and rot away, seriously full swap done right is ~10k plus cost of your car. How long will it take to slowly save up?

Don't forget brake booster for the brembo brakes.
Fuel tank and steering rack is also something you want to swap.

Why is wiper motor needed? There is only a few wires to splice, they all work the same.
i dont care if others are impressed or not.. i was referring to me... i like to sit back an appriciate what i accomplish! and it is very different! and as for the end results being the same just swapping front ends... to some, maybe... but to the purists, and others who appriciate hard work, a bugeye to sti conversion is much more impressive then someone who just changed a few body panels

and the reason many people do these swaps is because we DONT want a car payment! we own our cars! and its much easier to save 3k, buy the motor... recoup, slowly save again, get a tranny, etc. versus a 5 year car payment! been there, done that!

and the simple answer as to iwire and ecs... yes! thats how they make their money! it is 100% cutting corners when you cut and splice wiring harnesses versus swapping over to a legit oem one. not saying what they do is bad, im glad there are people like that in business and i hear they are great at what they do... but it doesnt mean their customers are cutting a few corners.. which is fine.. i never crap talked on anyone who werged harnesses.. im simply saying it is cutting a corner!

and yes, you can buy all of those parts slowly! its called saving! and for many, its much easier to save 3-4k at a time then it is to save 15-20k to buy an sti!. and on your list... a wiring harness is cheap! like $250 cheap! anyone can save that!

ive been buying up all of my parts for a few months.. i have everything i need now... and my car is still my daily driver! why does a car have to be rotting while you buy parts?? why cant it still be a perfectly running car?? my car will not go under the knife until i am 100% certain i have everything i need! and thats in about a week!

if i recall (i may be wrong) the OP and others already mentioned the booster... so i didnt bother adding it... i read through all of this and added what i felt was missing

and as for the wiper motor... it needs to be changed because its different.. plugs are different.. and if you havnt caught on yet, my WHOLE post was for people who want a 100% legit swap.. no cutting/splicing.. and for those who do that, the wiper motor needs to be swapped. the ONLY splicing what will be done on my harness will be the headlight plugs, and that only because it is absolutely nescessary as the 06-07 headlight plugs are different then bugeyes. so thats unavoidable!
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Viper, I disagree with you that merging a harness is cutting corners. There is zero difference between my merged harness and an OEM one, other than mine doesn't have 10 year old rotting electrical tape.

Wires are wires and if its done properly and cleanly, there's no difference.
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