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Old 05-02-2012, 10:42 PM   #5851
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Very interesting how many different opinions I read on p0000. Thanks for the insight.
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Old 05-02-2012, 11:05 PM   #5852
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Interesting way to do it! The only real way to tell is to tune the car on it and see what you get. Most cars on 98ron will only fall a couple degrees short on timing and a few psi short on boost from where an E85 tune will.
( RON Octane Rating x 0.95 = AKI Octane Rating )
98 RON Octane x 0.95 = 93.1 AKI Octane (US measure)
100 RON Octane x 0.95 = 95 AKI Octane (US measure)

98ron is 93 octane. His timing/boost shouldn't be close to what they would be on e85.


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Hiya Guys,

New to the E85 Army thread since we don't have it

However how would RON98 w/ 20% Meth added compare to it?
If still not enough what Meth % should I use to get E85 performance?
Anybody has any idea. I reckoned 20% Meth should be almost there but perhaps more is needed.

Cheers,

Jasper.

I have played with this in the past. It works well, but you need to be careful when mixing batches. I would give the guys in the UK a call about that, they like to do it

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So far I netted a lot of HP/TQ gain even at the same boost/timing. I have run higher boost without any knock but have been conservative about pushing it since I was still on bloody Cadbury choc's pistons

When my EFR arrives..... Hopefully soon My built engine will go in and I will will run 1.8 Bar boost thereabouts and all timing I can run. Perhaps before that time I will do some more testing on our newly acquired Dynapack dyno to see what I can gain.

Surely 20% Meth added to RON98 is the future I believe. It is cheap as dirt and can be easily obtained. I might try 30 and even 40% just for larfs.....

So far at 20% there is NO fuelhose deterioration, etc. Will keep you posted though.

Cheers,

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You can mix higher, the higher you get the more injector you will need though. I wouldn't go over 40%, at that point just start running straight meth
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Old 05-02-2012, 11:32 PM   #5853
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You could contact clark turner too.....i believe he tuned a Texas Mile car that was running straight methanol on a gt40 i believe.

but like Jr said you need lots of injector....i believe the stoich AFR for methanol is 4:1.....so basically if you mess up once you're gonna hydrolock the motor. iirc the car that clark tuned burned somewhere in the 3-5 gallons in the mile.
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Old 05-03-2012, 12:19 AM   #5854
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To switch to straight Meth you will need A LOT of support stuff. I was kidding.. lol

I have tuned a few straight meth cars and the fuel systems are ridiculous.. Mechanical pump is a must to get it right, multi stage injection works best as well. Tuning it properly and making it all work is a bitch too. You do make some SERIOUS hp on it though. Serious like 275-300whp per cylinder on a 2jz
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Old 05-03-2012, 06:10 PM   #5855
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What are the symptoms of a blown turbo?

Well the other day I was doing some runs, I run 50-100mph in 4.8 seconds. I wasn't happy about it and told xluben that there has to be something wrong. I don't know how much I was making that day.

So I drove the car again today and decided to see how much I was making. It only make 360whp and the boost was dropping like crazy upstairs from 26psi to 17psi. I though I had a vacuum leak or something. After work I started the car and a it was smoking a lot. I went for a short drive and when I got home I opened the hood. I found some oil over the intake manifold and on the inside of the hood. The engine sounds perfect, the turbo is not making any weird noises, the learning view is clean.

Any ideas? I can't figure out where the oil is coming from, I am going to take of the intercooler and the turbo this weekend.
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Old 05-03-2012, 07:07 PM   #5856
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Was it smoking from under the hood or out of the exhaust? I'm not an expert but is it possible your inlet has a rip somewhere?
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Old 05-03-2012, 08:43 PM   #5857
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Clean all the oil off run it take a short drive then look to see where the oil is coming from
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Old 05-03-2012, 08:50 PM   #5858
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Was it smoking from under the hood or out of the exhaust? I'm not an expert but is it possible your inlet has a rip somewhere?
Smoking from the exhaust on start up after boosting. The idle is perfect and all the fuel trims.

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Clean all the oil off run it take a short drive then look to see where the oil is coming from
I did and I went for a short drive. It seems that when I hit boost the oil is squirting out from somewhere. The engine sounds super smooth irs so weird, I will figure it out.
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Old 05-03-2012, 09:22 PM   #5859
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Oil line turd out ?
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Old 05-03-2012, 09:34 PM   #5860
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why are you doing 100mph pulls with maxed out injectors?

you can try cleaning the motor off and zip tying rags or papertowels in spots to see if it catches the oil. you may be able to pull a CSI on the spray pattern and figure out where its coming from.

might be squirting out of the pcv lines. turbos dont usually leak into the engine bay....mostly into the turbine/downpipe and burn out the exhaust.
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Old 05-03-2012, 09:49 PM   #5861
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just thought I would share this hope I put all the information that I am supposed to.
2005 STi
1) Your injectors size-ID1000
2) Injector duty cycle (if you have it)- N/A

3) Elevation-810ft
4) Turbo-VF39

stock motor, 08tgv deletes, perrin turbo inlet, warlbro 255, ID1000, Injen cai, cobb turbo back, AP, grimmspeed ewg 38mm, think that might be it. Not sure what % E85 I'm running, at the pump it states no less than 70%. 22psi 354hp 420wtq


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Old 05-03-2012, 10:14 PM   #5862
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just thought I would share this hope I put all the information that I am supposed to.
2005 STi
1) Your injectors size-ID1000
2) Injector duty cycle (if you have it)- N/A

3) Elevation-810ft
4) Turbo-VF39

stock motor, 08tgv deletes, perrin turbo inlet, warlbro 255, ID1000, Injen cai, cobb turbo back, AP, grimmspeed ewg 38mm, think that might be it. Not sure what % E85 I'm running, at the pump it states no less than 70%. 22psi 354hp 420wtq


Wow, great numbers for a vf39! Now I wish I had gone with a vf39, they are nice and quiet. I would have gone that route if I would have known they could flow enough to support such numbers. Who did your tune?
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Old 05-03-2012, 10:16 PM   #5863
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why are you doing 100mph pulls with maxed out injectors?

you can try cleaning the motor off and zip tying rags or papertowels in spots to see if it catches the oil. you may be able to pull a CSI on the spray pattern and figure out where its coming from.

might be squirting out of the pcv lines. turbos dont usually leak into the engine bay....mostly into the turbine/downpipe and burn out the exhaust.
Yes I really need to stop driving hard until I get pump and swap the injectors.

Will that explain the drop of boost?


here is the boost plot of two pulls that show the boost lost.

And the here is the log of my 50-100mph run. It did it in 4.8sec with low boost and rich

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Time (msec)	Coolant Temperature (F)	Engine Load (Calculated) (g/rev)	Engine Speed (rpm)	Feedback Knock Correction (4-byte)* (degrees)	Fine Learning Knock Correction (degrees)	IAM (multiplier)	Ignition Total Timing (degrees)	Injector Duty Cycle (%)	Intake Air Temperature (F)	Manifold Relative Pressure (4-byte)* (psi relative)	Manifold Relative Pressure (Corrected) (psi)	Mass Airflow (g/s)	Mass Airflow Sensor Voltage (V)	Throttle Opening Angle (%)	Vehicle Speed (mph)	Innovate Wideband AFR (AFR Gasoline)
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1470	190	1.28	3824	0	0	1	25.5	21.21	93	0.35	0.29	79.96	2.88	100	37	14.86
1550	190	1.28	3890	0	0	1	25	21.58	93	0.77	0.58	78.72	2.9	100	37	13.96
1628	190	1.3	3956	0	0	1	25	23.63	93	1.18	1.02	87.13	2.96	100	37	13.08
1692	190	1.42	3960	0	0	1	24.5	24.5	93	1.74	1.6	90.58	2.94	100	37	12.52
1773	190	1.43	4069	0	0	1	24	24.78	93	2.27	2.18	92.43	3.06	100	37	12
1852	190	1.54	4063	0	0	1	24	26.87	93	2.97	2.76	101.93	3.18	100	37	11.77
1932	190	1.53	4118	0	0	1	24	27.23	93	3.64	3.48	99.69	3.1	100	37	11.79
2012	190	1.74	4248	0	0	1	23.5	31.24	93	4.44	4.21	120.09	3.28	100	37	11.72
2093	190	1.76	4243	0	0	1	23	33.49	93	5.42	5.22	124.71	3.34	100	37	11.66
2157	190	1.83	4373	0	0	1	22	34.93	93	6.43	6.09	126.25	3.36	100	37	11.66
2235	190	1.99	4408	0	0	1	21.5	39.12	93	7.55	7.25	143.62	3.48	100	39	11.33
2315	190	2.08	4494	0	0	1	21	40.63	93	8.97	8.56	148.65	3.52	100	39	11.29
2396	190	2.14	4630	0	0	1	20.5	45.78	93	10.49	10.01	167.42	3.62	100	39	11.29
2474	190	2.42	4695	0	0	1	20	49.4	93	12.23	11.61	181.01	3.68	100	39	11.3
2539	190	2.49	4814	0	0	1	19	53.71	93	14.1	13.49	193.02	3.8	100	39	11.32
2619	190	2.94	4893	0	0	1	18.5	64.5	93	16.21	15.38	227.05	3.96	100	39	11.13
2699	190	3.12	5017	0	0	1	17	70.64	93	18.29	17.7	240.28	4	100	42	11.22
2781	190	3.25	5132	0	0	1	16	78.92	93	20.46	19.73	278.47	4.16	100	42	11.08
2858	190	3.43	5268	0	0	1	16	85.48	93	22.03	21.62	297.97	4.16	100	42	11.02
2938	190	3.29	5408	0	0	1	16	86.53	93	22.81	22.64	295.65	4.24	100	42	11.04
3003	190	3.5	5540	0	0	1	16.5	94.56	93	23.21	22.78	329.14	4.32	100	42	11.08
3081	190	3.59	5679	0	0	1	17	89.84	93	23.3	22.78	315.03	4.26	100	42	11.29
3162	190	3.32	5740	0	0	1	17.5	95.52	93	23.55	22.78	336.23	4.32	100	48	11.39
3243	190	3.51	5922	0	0	1	18.5	97.28	93	23.22	22.78	337.02	4.34	100	48	11.52
3323	190	3.26	5982	0	0	1	19	93.16	93	23.13	22.78	331.47	4.34	100	48	11.5
3386	190	3.34	6092	0	0	1	19.5	97.47	93	22.81	22.78	347.35	4.36	100	48	11.5
3466	190	3.36	6225	0	0	1	20	94.63	93	22.69	22.78	333.05	4.32	100	48	11.61
3546	190	3.17	6338	0	0	1	21	93.7	93	22.41	22.49	355.41	4.42	100	48	11.52
3626	190	3.35	6536	0	0	1	21.5	99.41	93	22.35	22.35	360.27	4.42	100	53	11.57
3706	190	3.18	6594	0	0	1	21.5	91.95	93	22.28	22.35	341.79	4.38	100	53	11.69
3786	190	3.12	6768	0	0	1	22.5	101.07	93	22.26	22.35	358.72	4.42	100	53	11.69
3866	190	3.11	6792	0	0	1	23	96.17	93	21.54	21.91	342.58	4.34	100	53	11.66
3928	190	2.92	6892	0	0	1	23.5	92.62	93	21.3	21.33	349.73	4.4	100	53	11.83
4010	190	2.92	6985	0	0	1	24	90.06	93	20.36	20.46	335.44	4.38	100	53	11.58
4090	190	2.83	7061	0	0	1	24	88.88	93	19.93	20.02	324.38	4.32	100	61	11.6
4170	190	2.7	7248	0	0	1	24	92.78	93	19.81	19.88	333.05	4.34	100	61	11.47
4249	190	2.75	7337	0	0	1	24	92.35	93	19.37	19.59	325.15	4.32	100	61	11.36
4314	190	2.66	7348	0	0	1	24	79.95	93	19.17	19.59	304.93	4.34	90.2	61	11.27
4393	190	0.93	7624	0	0	1	33	4.84	91	2.42	7.4	323.58	4.4	20	61	12.32
4473	190	0.23	7339	0	0	1	26	14.21	91	-5.47	-3.92	39.12	2.4	12.94	61	20.33
4552	190	0.15	7102	0	0	1	26	4.59	91	-8.01	-7.55	23.49	2.16	12.55	67	20.33
4632	190	0.18	6861	0	0	1	26	4.39	91	-8.7	-8.56	19.55	1.84	12.55	67	20.33
4713	190	0.42	6622	0	0	1	45	8.48	91	-5.25	-9.14	17.85	2	26.27	67	20.33
4776	190	1.61	5838	0	0	1	48	33.09	91	4.57	3.92	135.2	3.34	98.43	67	20.33
4858	190	1.84	5026	0	0	1	25.5	40.74	91	6.83	5.95	151.21	3.5	100	67	20.33
4937	190	1.85	5424	0	0	1	24	48.03	91	7.97	7.55	168.15	3.62	100	67	20.33
5015	190	2.13	5244	0	0	1	23	50.35	91	10.2	9.29	177.48	3.7	100	72	11.77
5096	190	2.4	5431	0	0	1	22	56.77	91	12.08	11.32	193.88	3.88	100	72	10.91
5176	190	2.64	5344	0	0	1	21	65.76	91	14.39	13.78	234.22	3.96	100	72	10.73
5240	190	2.92	5447	0	0	1	20	70.89	91	16.7	16.11	242.27	4	100	72	10.83
5320	190	2.95	5460	0	0	1	18.5	82.48	91	18.92	18.43	280.62	4.18	100	72	10.75
5399	190	3.19	5612	0	0	1	18	82.62	91	20.46	20.02	278.36	4.16	100	72	10.58
5479	190	3.16	5620	0	0	1	17.5	87.52	91	21.42	21.18	300.29	4.24	100	75	10.6
5559	190	3.24	5718	0	0	1	18.5	89.26	91	21.88	21.76	311.89	4.22	100	75	10.61
5623	190	3.36	5711	0	0	1	18	86.74	91	22.27	22.05	301.84	4.26	100	75	10.79
5704	190	3.15	5817	0	0	1	18.5	91.83	91	22.28	22.35	318.17	4.32	100	75	11.04
5783	190	3.29	5840	0	0	1	19	90.96	91	22.47	22.35	309.57	4.28	100	75	11.04
5864	190	3.19	5914	0	0	1	19	87.36	91	22.24	22.49	314.99	4.3	100	75	11.07
5943	190	3.28	6016	0	0	1	19.5	92.4	91	22.21	22.35	324.4	4.32	100	75	11.13
6022	190	3.28	6002	0	0	1	20	91.87	91	22.19	22.2	321.24	4.3	100	79	11.08
6102	190	3.04	6050	0	0	1	20	92.94	91	21.99	22.05	329.93	4.32	100	79	11.14
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6406	190	3.14	6287	0	0	1	21	88.52	91	21.9	21.91	323.62	4.3	100	79	11.19
6486	190	3.05	6323	0	0	1	21	94.42	91	21.91	21.91	340.2	4.34	100	83	11.2
6567	190	3.24	6456	0	0	1	21.5	95.04	91	21.93	21.91	343.38	4.34	100	83	11.25
6630	190	3.12	6494	0	0	1	21	91.44	91	21.91	21.91	326.76	4.36	100	83	11.23
6709	190	3.16	6484	0	0	1	21.5	96.84	91	21.91	21.91	351.32	4.4	100	83	11.19
6791	190	3.21	6604	0	0	1	22	91.58	91	21.85	21.91	328.37	4.38	100	83	11.16
6869	190	3.03	6690	0	0	1	22	97.54	91	21.93	21.91	352.99	4.42	100	83	11.19
6948	190	3.2	6754	0	0	1	23	97.97	91	21.9	21.91	352.19	4.4	100	88	11.14
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7173	190	3.19	6875	0	0	1	23.5	95.34	91	22.22	22.2	344.96	4.38	100	88	11.36
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7479	190	3.14	6985	0	0	1	23.5	98.93	91	22.53	22.35	365.21	4.44	100	93	11.47
7556	190	3.04	7025	0	0	1	23.5	97.41	91	22.61	22.49	357.14	4.44	100	93	11.5
7637	190	2.98	7141	0	0	1	23.5	99.65	91	22.62	22.64	362.78	4.44	100	93	11.63
7716	190	3.04	7296	0	0	1	23.5	101.83	91	22.74	22.64	364.37	4.46	100	93	11.45
7797	190	2.93	7136	0	0	1	23.5	97.43	91	22.92	22.78	356.25	4.38	100	93	11.64
7860	190	3.07	7225	0	0	1	23.5	101.73	91	23.01	22.78	365.2	4.46	100	98	12.5
7939	190	3.01	7340	0	0	1	23	101.78	91	23.11	22.78	358.77	4.36	100	98	12.1
8020	190	2.92	7300	0	0	1	23	104.35	91	23.18	22.78	379.61	4.48	100	98	11.97
8100	190	2.95	7442	0	0	1	23.5	96.74	91	20.42	22.78	374.43	4.42	78.04	98	12.69
8181	190	0.96	7442	0	0	1	33	4.76	91	-0.29	5.22	211.37	4.36	15.69	98	11.97
8261	190	0.41	7474	0	0	1	25.5	4.82	91	-6.8	-5.95	75.13	3.1	12.16	98	12.97
8324	190	0.23	7151	0	0	1	26	4.62	91	-8	-7.55	20.24	1.96	12.55	102	17.6
8404	190	0.17	6942	0	0	1	26	4.44	91	-8.8	-8.71	26.8	2.14	12.55	102	13.82
8484	190	0.16	6779	0	0	1	26	4.38	91	-9.14	-9.14	23.17	2.02	12.55	102	20.33
8563	192	1.38	6394	0	0	1	46	19.48	91	4.55	1.02	64.7	2.34	75.69	102	20.33
8644	192	1.86	5009	0	0	1	27	36.33	91	6.51	5.8	144.86	3.56	100	102	20.33
8708	192	2.07	5302	0	0	1	24.5	45.79	91	8.3	7.69	161.46	3.5	100	102	20.33
8788	192	2.08	5230	0	0	1	22.5	51.8	91	10.57	10.01	178.9	3.76	100	104	14.33
8868	192	2.48	5259	0	0	1	22	58.34	91	13.52	12.04	210.44	3.88	100	104	11.54
8946	192	2.93	5286	0	0	1	20.5	65.06	91	15.85	14.95	217.48	3.98	100	104	10.72
9027	192	2.99	5266	0	0	1	18.5	77.52	91	18.82	18.14	272.55	4.06	100	104	10.66
9108	192	3.3	5320	0	0	1	17.5	85.11	91	21.4	20.89	297.2	4.16	100	104	10.7
9171	192	3.29	5338	0	0	1	16.5	89.97	91	23.26	22.78	305.71	4.26	100	104	10.58
9251	192	3.54	5406	0	0	1	16.5	92.32	91	24.48	22.78	317.35	4.26	100	106	10.55
9330	192	3.6	5454	0	0	1	16	89.69	91	25.03	22.78	306.48	4.2	100	106	10.78
9410	192	3.51	5463	0	0	1	16	95.59	91	25.62	22.78	329.1	4.28	100	106	10.85
9490	192	3.59	5488	0	0	1	16.5	94.88	91	25.8	22.78	329.12	4.3	100	106	10.91
9571	192	3.42	5544	0	0	1	16.5	95.86	91	25.94	22.78	334.64	4.3	100	106	11.04
9634	192	3.65	5504	0	0	1	16	95.1	91	26.18	22.78	337.02	4.36	100	106	11.08
9714	192	3.64	5519	0	0	1	16.5	93.01	91	26.09	22.78	329.93	4.34	100	106	11.1
9794	192	3.5	5565	0	0	1	16.5	96.06	91	26.12	22.78	335.44	4.34	100	108	11.16
9874	192	3.65	5574	0	0	1	16.5	95.13	91	26.06	22.78	339.41	4.34	100	108	11.32
9953	192	3.5	5674	0	0	1	16.5	90.78	91	25.99	22.78	336.23	4.4	100	108	11.35
10017	192	3.64	5731	0	0	1	17	96.72	91	25.8	22.78	348.18	4.32	100	108	11.35
10098	192	3.6	5695	0	0	1	17	93.37	91	25.83	22.78	329.1	4.36	100	108	11.47
10177	192	3.52	5743	0	0	1	17	98.01	91	25.69	22.78	346.55	4.38	100	108	11.27
10257	192	3.64	5725	0	0	1	17.5	96.48	91	25.72	22.78	346.55	4.36	100	111	11.32
10337	192	3.65	5752	0	0	1	17.5	94.3	91	25.53	22.78	346.55	4.36	100	111	11.36
10419	192	3.68	5837	0	0	1	17.5	97.3	91	25.56	22.78	352.24	4.42	100	111	11.44
10481	192	3.58	5806	0	0	1	18	97.68	91	25.49	22.78	348.22	4.36	100	111	11.47
10563	192	3.46	5884	0	0	1	18	97.91	91	25.53	22.78	348.18	4.4	100	111	11.39
10642	192	3.66	5870	0	0	1	18.5	97.47	91	25.43	22.78	349.81	4.42	100	111	11.42
10721	192	3.65	5971	0	0	1	18	91.99	91	25.37	22.78	343.38	4.4	100	115	11.42
10800	192	3.66	5985	0	0	1	18.5	100.87	91	25.24	22.78	359.52	4.38	100	115	11.35
10864	192	3.58	5940	0	0	1	19	98.85	91	25.36	22.78	350.69	4.4	100	115	11.2
10944	192	3.48	6023	0	0	1	18.5	97.89	91	25.42	22.78	354.57	4.42	100	115	11.25
11023	192	3.58	6050	0	0	1	19	99.39	91	25.37	22.78	366.05	4.42	100	115	11.29
11103	192	3.6	6039	0	0	1	19	96.35	91	25.25	22.78	350.52	4.42	100	115	11.16
11185	192	3.52	6031	0	0	1	19	99.07	91	25.21	22.78	354.75	4.4	100	118	11.19
11265	192	3.54	6071	0	0	1	19	99.73	91	25.3	22.78	361.95	4.38	100	118	11.1
11328	192	3.41	6132	0	0	1	19	100.96	91	25.15	22.78	360.4	4.44	100	118	11.1
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Old 05-03-2012, 10:40 PM   #5864
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WELLL the wagon is down and out once again...it looks like my routine of the car hard breaking right before deployments continues (it literally breaks some major component within 2 weeks of EVERY deployment i go on)...snapped a rod in half and threw it right out the top of the block on the way home from work ...there no joke is a hole about 3" in diameter right under my throttle body linkage.

...haven't decided what i want to do yet...considering selling the car as is or parting it out and then starting the next project. i have lots of time while i am deployed to think about everything...really sucks. the clutch and PPG straightcuts literally only had like 1800 miles on them...block only had just shy of 10,000 miles on it .
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Old 05-03-2012, 10:46 PM   #5865
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Does this data read better on a spread sheet? I'm not into tuning and the language is some what alien but I'd like to learn some of this info.
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Old 05-03-2012, 10:54 PM   #5866
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WELLL the wagon is down and out once again...it looks like my routine of the car hard breaking right before deployments continues (it literally breaks some major component within 2 weeks of EVERY deployment i go on)...snapped a rod in half and threw it right out the top of the block on the way home from work ...there no joke is a hole about 3" in diameter right under my throttle body linkage.

...haven't decided what i want to do yet...considering selling the car as is or parting it out and then starting the next project. i have lots of time while i am deployed to think about everything...really sucks. the clutch and PPG straightcuts literally only had like 1800 miles on them...block only had just shy of 10,000 miles on it .
I'll part out the whole car while your deployed If you give me your ppgs... K cool
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Old 05-03-2012, 11:09 PM   #5867
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...i feel ya lol...seriously though, i am kind of torn about what i want to do with everything. i love driving the car, but i was getting more and more serious recently about maybe selling it and starting a new project (really kinda want a newer legacy gt). this just kind of forces me into a decision a little sooner than if it hadn't of broken again.

i push my motors pretty hard so...i am not necessarily surprised that it broke, but more just surprised at what specifically broke. i was honestly expecting some of the weaker parts to let go instead of the rods, but...

...oh well i guess...

if anyone is curious...as of right now, the number i am looking to get if i sold it "as is" would be about $8000...so...if anyone knows anybody in the market
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Old 05-03-2012, 11:13 PM   #5868
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what rods were they?
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Old 05-03-2012, 11:18 PM   #5869
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element tuning...i was in the right place at the right time and a 0 miles built shortblock kinda fell into my lap for a steal so...i went with it...if i would have had a choice i would have gone with something else, but...wasn't an option at the time...
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Old 05-03-2012, 11:42 PM   #5870
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what do you suspect happened?
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Old 05-03-2012, 11:45 PM   #5871
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honestly, i think the rod just couldn't handle the amount of stress being put on them and took a crap...H-beams aren't really known for being the strongest rods out there. won't know for sure until i am able to get a better look at everything.
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Old 05-03-2012, 11:53 PM   #5872
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it just snapped,the element rods are h-beams same as every h-beam out there(chinese)granted Phil does pick the nicer castings but they are still h-beams.A customer of mine had a worldone sb in his bugeye drag car and they use element rods and at the buschur race last year kicked a rod out the top.Once you get above 500whp its not if but when an h-beam will snap.
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Old 05-04-2012, 09:15 AM   #5873
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I am sorry about your engine grover. Another H-beam bites the dust
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I am sorry about your engine grover. Another H-beam bites the dust
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Old 05-04-2012, 11:43 AM   #5875
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yeah...feces will occur and gotta pay to play i guess so...story of my life lol
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