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Old 04-29-2012, 01:58 AM   #1
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Default BRZ Development Movie by Subaru

This has been out just a few days now, and it really is some great information about what went into making the BRZ/FR-S such a great car!

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Part I

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Old 04-29-2012, 02:49 AM   #2
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Wrong forum, and Im not trying to be an ass because I just got a warning for this. So just a heads up.

Cool vid, but I just don't see the point of the BRZ at that price with that much power, and nothing more but a small good handling car. People seem to really want it, but I guess Im just missing how this falls into the Subaru lineup. Im surely not interested as long as there is a wrx at the same price. I couldn't picture how one would choose the BRZ over the WRX. (This is just opinion everyone, please don't take this to heart). Now if they would have either made it a 19-20k car, or upped the power to 220-240hp, I could see it. But as of right now I just dont get what they are trying to compete with. There not going to beat out the Miata, especially at a higher price.

The STI version is something I will be watching closely. If they can potentially FI it, I will be down. If not, it better do 0-60 in sub 6 seconds.

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Old 04-29-2012, 09:34 AM   #3
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^The BRZ and WRX/STi are completely different cars, with different strengths. That's how people could chose the BRZ over the WRX/STi
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Old 04-29-2012, 12:22 PM   #4
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Very good and informative video! Cheers for sharing!

Heres another one for those who like such videos.

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Old 04-29-2012, 12:37 PM   #5
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Excellent video. The BRZ will be an awesome drivers car and a fine piece of engineering.

I gotta admit, I am more fascinated and excited by the BRZ development than the 991 Turbo or GT3 (although I am a big Porsche fan and Subaru fan).

I'm excited about the next turbo and GT3, but I know and expected to have big power, high tech systems, exotic materials and expensive price tag.

But for the BRZ, it is difficult to expect. For a $25k sports car, there are tons of constraints in the development. They can't use high tech systems, expensive materials, and complex components. I just think its amazing what Subaru and Toyota managed to do in the BRZ.
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Old 04-29-2012, 12:45 PM   #6
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Wrong forum, and Im not trying to be an ass because I just got a warning for this. So just a heads up.

Cool vid, but I just don't see the point of the BRZ at that price with that much power, and nothing more but a small good handling car. People seem to really want it, but I guess Im just missing how this falls into the Subaru lineup. Im surely not interested as long as there is a wrx at the same price. I couldn't picture how one would choose the BRZ over the WRX. (This is just opinion everyone, please don't take this to heart). Now if they would have either made it a 19-20k car, or upped the power to 220-240hp, I could see it. But as of right now I just dont get what they are trying to compete with. There not going to beat out the Miata, especially at a higher price.

The STI version is something I will be watching closely. If they can potentially FI it, I will be down. If not, it better do 0-60 in sub 6 seconds.
It's hard to explain.

You gotta be a car enthusiast to understand.

People who will be buying them knows what they want and is not car shopping not looking for the best power per dollar.

The BRZ was not designed to compete with anyone. There was no benchmark. Their goal was to build a simple fun affordable modern sports car.

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Old 04-29-2012, 12:59 PM   #7
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Their goal was to build a simple fun affordable modern sports car.
And to complete the sentence..."Their goal was to build a simple fun affordable modern sports car" for Toyota.
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Old 04-29-2012, 02:13 PM   #8
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Old 04-29-2012, 02:16 PM   #9
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It's hard to explain.

You gotta be a car enthusiast to understand.

People who will be buying them knows what they want and is not car shopping not looking for the best power per dollar.

The BRZ was not designed to compete with anyone. There was no benchmark. Their goal was to build a simple fun affordable modern sports car.

Been a car enthusiast almost all my life. I still don't get it, but then again people look for different things.
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Old 04-29-2012, 02:41 PM   #10
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It's a completely different car than a WRX. It's a small lightweight RWD sports car.

It's somewhere in the middle between a Miata and a 350/370Z, so those are the two cars I've seen it compared to the most but it's not really all that comparable...

Given the tremendous demand for both the Toyota/Scion version and the BRZ there are quite a few folks who get it.

I may be a bit bias since I have a deposit down on one. I have owned a few WRXs including some modified high HP ones and I'm in the mood for something different and it doesn't need 250-300HP. Now if it had 250HP I wouldn't be complaining.
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Old 04-29-2012, 04:02 PM   #11
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It's a completely different car than a WRX. It's a small lightweight RWD sports car.

It's somewhere in the middle between a Miata and a 350/370Z, so those are the two cars I've seen it compared to the most but it's not really all that comparable...

Given the tremendous demand for both the Toyota/Scion version and the BRZ there are quite a few folks who get it.

I may be a bit bias since I have a deposit down on one. I have owned a few WRXs including some modified high HP ones and I'm in the mood for something different and it doesn't need 250-300HP. Now if it had 250HP I wouldn't be complaining.
I think it's all personal preference, and I admit Im being a little to thick skinned or dense about it.

I owned a 99 miata. I only owned it for a little while, before I crashed it due to the tie rod breaking while screaming around a corner, I later found out it was previously totalled.

Anyways, that car wasn't my style. It was too small, cause im a big guy, and the power wasn't comprobable to my tastes. I will say though I have never had a car that handled like that.(It did have a coilover set up, so not stock) The speed I took the corners on without racing seats I was literally holding on for dear life with my cheek against the window. It was scary. Fun as hell at the same time.

So in a way I can see why someone would want that, but the size, speed, and overall usability of that car for the same price as something like the wrx is just not justifiable to me.
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Old 04-29-2012, 04:08 PM   #12
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I think the main thing is that the next WRX/Sti will be improved because of the development of the BRZ, so regardless of which one you like, you win.
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I can't wait to see the BRZ sway bar threads coming in the next year. Hahahaha swapping bars with this configuration is sooo much fun. The entire front K-member and engine /trans package will have to be dropped to get at the sway bar. Its the same as a Matrix XRS.
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Old 04-30-2012, 01:40 AM   #14
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I can't wait to see the BRZ sway bar threads coming in the next year. Hahahaha swapping bars with this configuration is sooo much fun. The entire front K-member and engine /trans package will have to be dropped to get at the sway bar. Its the same as a Matrix XRS.
It looks to me like dropping just the rear of the cradle would give you plenty of room to work the bar in and out.
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Old 05-01-2012, 04:15 AM   #15
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Wrong forum, and Im not trying to be an ass because I just got a warning for this. So just a heads up.

Cool vid, but I just don't see the point of the BRZ at that price with that much power, and nothing more but a small good handling car. People seem to really want it, but I guess Im just missing how this falls into the Subaru lineup. Im surely not interested as long as there is a wrx at the same price. I couldn't picture how one would choose the BRZ over the WRX. (This is just opinion everyone, please don't take this to heart). Now if they would have either made it a 19-20k car, or upped the power to 220-240hp, I could see it. But as of right now I just dont get what they are trying to compete with. There not going to beat out the Miata, especially at a higher price.

The STI version is something I will be watching closely. If they can potentially FI it, I will be down. If not, it better do 0-60 in sub 6 seconds.
In an episode of Top Gear UK several years ago, Prodrive who used to prepare and race Subaru WRX Sti's in the WRC, came up with an awesome proof of concept prototype based on a smaller than Impreza platform. This was a rear drive sports car that looked like the most fun you could have on four wheels on pavement. I think everyone who saw that would hope that Subaru would take the bait and build it.

The WRX is a great car, and is a marvelous all-rounder. I would hope Subaru continues to build it! I have one of the first WRX Wagons, and have modded it to be a really fun all round sportscar/limited snow car/possible track day car/long trip car/once in a while dirt road car/and hauler of stuff car.

The new BRZ is a more focused car - built from the ground up to be state of the art for the street and track while still being a fun daily driver, vs. the WRX being a homologated rally car.

I'd hate to have to choose between one or the other. My choice would be to keep the WRX for it's all around ability, and buy a BRZ as a truly rewarding twisty/track day car. Compared to my modded (sti pink springed/koni adjustable strut) WRX suspended car, the BRZ rides much nicer, and will out g the WRX in corners given comparably sticky rubber, and is more involving to drive.


I got to drive the BRZ back in March as part of a video/photo shoot Subaru has been putting together. As much as I love to finesse and improve cars, the BRZ right off the bat didn't trigger any desire to change a thing. It's really that good, well thought out, and executed. It's an amazing value. I'll post more in a review soon!

I posted the video's here because I really wanted to know why this car is sooooo good! It's addicting to drive!

For everyone who put a deposit down, I wish I were one of you! You'll love it!
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Excellent video. The BRZ will be an awesome drivers car and a fine piece of engineering.

I gotta admit, I am more fascinated and excited by the BRZ development than the 991 Turbo or GT3 (although I am a big Porsche fan and Subaru fan).

I'm excited about the next turbo and GT3, but I know and expected to have big power, high tech systems, exotic materials and expensive price tag.

But for the BRZ, it is difficult to expect. For a $25k sports car, there are tons of constraints in the development. They can't use high tech systems, expensive materials, and complex components. I just think its amazing what Subaru and Toyota managed to do in the BRZ.
I think you nailed it! Between the Toyota plan and the Subaru desire to take the opportunity of a life time to make the most of a clean sheet design, the Subaru engineers gave themselves very high benchmarks in the Porsche Cayman to even higher end exotics to try and match or better with a target price of just $25k. So they really went to the nth degree to accomplish their goals! This is my new dream car, and it is only around $25k!!!
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Just watching this video and reading all the complaints and hoopla about the BRZ, it is already a success. Now we just have to wait and see if it is a market success (looks like it will be).

Maybe thats why they did the RWD because everyone was just expecting a coupe version of a WRX and now we see it was designed for a completely different reason.

Car enthusiasts just love cars and all the differences that a new one brings. Look at the following of the SVX, the BRZ will be no different. If they sell well the aftermarket guys will come up with some cool stuff and others will do some cool swaps. It will be fun to learn how everything works out. Also,you never know, you might pick up a used one someday. (People are still picking up used SVXs)
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Someone should make a movie on what its like to want one, reading all the reviews and vids, then experience on buying one & all they accomplish once they own it. May not be entertaining now but in a few years it would be well worth viewing since I believe the "Holy Trinity of Boxer Cars" (BRZ, GT-86, FRS) will be LEGENDARY.
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It looks to me like dropping just the rear of the cradle would give you plenty of room to work the bar in and out.
Ohhh if only it was that simple...on my XRS it took 2 techs 2 hours 2 swap sways. On a lift. HAHA
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