5-6-12 PCA/AK region autocross @ Bartlett - Page 5

granny · 05-09-2012, 01:15 PM

Thanks! I was having a lot of trouble on those loops. Any more tips? Anyone?

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Kentobeanz · 05-09-2012, 01:16 PM

And since we're throwing videos out there:

http://youtu.be/9TQIrq8jI6Q

The top half is my first run, fighting understeer. The bottom half is my fifth run, where I started to figure out the car.

Pay attention to the first circle turn, how far from the cones I am in each, and how far ahead I am in the bottom screen by the time I get to the green gate.

granny · 05-09-2012, 01:30 PM

Thanks. Seeing another video helps a lot. I know I need to get tighter but I'm not going to get on myself too much because I didn't have a swaybar. If I'm still doing it next auto-x I will know that's where I really need to improve. Any more tips that you think could make me faster? I'm open to criticism.

kayetealynn · 05-09-2012, 11:35 PM

I'll throw one of my runs in the mix for comparison. Not my fastest of the day - I shaved a 1.5 seconds off this run time but my go pro batteries had died by then. :-(

http://youtu.be/0z_6F5U2eQ4

coldfiremx · 06-05-2012, 05:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mavrik

if your joking

if your serious... talk to me when your RAW time beats MY raw time mkay?

It's time to talk.

Carter · 06-05-2012, 06:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by coldfiremx

It's time to talk.

Mavrik · 06-05-2012, 06:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by coldfiremx

It's time to talk.

Lets talk

You called me out remember? said slow cars have to depend on PAX while my "slow car" raw time was faster then your raw time?

Lets see you back that up a few more races and see.

Just keep in mind I autocross for myself. couldn't give a **** what you do

If in your mind beating an 99 non-turbo 2.5RS with a built STi is a big thing? then so be it. Now turn your attention to the better cars and drivers. your focus is missguided.

Nomadgene · 06-05-2012, 06:47 PM

Getagrip · 06-05-2012, 06:52 PM

Fast cars rely on PAX ,too as to be able to be scored against the whole field (even faster cars than the "fast cars"). This is to equalize the equipment to better compare driver skill. So, if a driver of the slower car beats the driver of the faster car in PAX, it means the driver of the slower car will beat the driver of the faster car if he drive the faster car and vis-versa.

wrcRS · 06-05-2012, 07:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Getagrip

Fast cars rely on PAX ,too as to be able to be scored against the whole field (even faster cars than the "fast cars"). This is to equalize the equipment to better compare driver skill. So, if a driver of the slower car beats the driver of the faster car in PAX, it means the driver of the slower car will beat the driver of the faster car if he drive the faster car and vis-versa.

That explanation only works for you Jake. The rest of us are human. LOL

Mavrik · 06-05-2012, 07:03 PM

Jake is the Stig plain and simple.

Getagrip · 06-05-2012, 07:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mavrik

Jake is the Stig plain and simple.

Sssssh, you blew my cover!

coldfiremx · 06-05-2012, 07:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mavrik

Lets talk

You called me out remember? said slow cars have to depend on PAX while my "slow car" raw time was faster then your raw time?

Lets see you back that up a few more races and see.

Just keep in mind I autocross for myself. couldn't give a **** what you do

If in your mind beating an 99 non-turbo 2.5RS with a built STi is a big thing? then so be it. Now turn your attention to the better cars and drivers. your focus is missguided.

You said lets talk when my raw time beats yours so I wanted to see what you had to say. All I read was that your purpose built stock class RS is a better auto cross car than my high speed monster that doesn't see boost untill 4700 rpm. Pretty useless on an autoX course if you ask me. I see that as a disadvantage but it doesn't really matter to me since pax doesn't give me time for having a built car that isn't built for autoX. So basically PAX is pointless since everyone doesn't race the most popular car for each class. PAX. LOL. Some people cant feel good about their performance without it. Was there a direct quote from me saying something about slow cars and PAX? Please enlighten me I seem to have forgotten about it.

Mavrik · 06-05-2012, 09:02 PM

please don't assume I'm pissed... most know me can say it takes a LOT.

However. my point is we all work very hard to get our times. Some of us (myself) intentionally drive slow cars. My 2.5RS isn't a stock class car. Its a street touring set up with specific mods I want to maintain/autocross with.

I don't use PAX to win. In fact I'm not even trying for the championship trophy. I would like the PAX trophy for the year, I won it in 2010.

I feel very good about my car performance with or without PAX in mind. I look at my raw times when comparing to others but PAX is what I keep in mind. I've been autocrossing for 6+ years now. I wish we had a PAX class like SCCA had. it was call the Denali class.

Basicly everyone in it were not going for other trophies. It was a group of people competing against eachother. It was fun. Getagrip remembers this. He took Denali class a LOT. Him and Kevin Cose. Its that mind set I'm still in. And it helps a 2.5RS get top of the pack finishes against cars with turbo set ups worth more then it. Some of us don't want fast straight line cars.

Minimaul · 06-06-2012, 01:59 AM

The Denali class was pretty cool. Though the season I was in it was the last season it was around. I'm either bad luck and broke it or I'm so awesome everyone gave up! I'm choosing the latter.

kayetealynn · 06-06-2012, 03:04 AM

... Wow.

OH wait.. I have a solution.. Share a car and settle this once and for all ;-)

Hell if we're really going to make a competition out of it.. Codrive a car that neither of you have driven before so you can't claim previous handling knowledge.

Mavrik · 06-06-2012, 03:31 AM

Minimal, I am going to see about getting a Denali style class started back up. wonder if its to late to now this season but for the next,

Nomadgene · 06-06-2012, 04:21 AM

I always wondered….how was the Denali class different from the rest of the competition.

Mavrik · 06-06-2012, 02:49 PM

The pax was the same.

However it was a class for people to compete against each other regardless of what they drove.

retrac · 06-06-2012, 02:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mavrik

The pax was the same.

However it was a class for people to compete against each other regardless of what they drove.

So it's a evenly handicapped class regardless of car?

Sounds like RAW.

AKJammer · 06-06-2012, 03:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by retrac

So it's a evenly handicapped class regardless of car?

Sounds like RAW.

Really it does? LOL!

wrcRS · 06-06-2012, 03:08 PM

No no no...

Denali class was setup similarly to how a Novice or Ladies class is setup. We were not racing against people in our class of car, but against other people at a certain "level." You had to be invited into the class based off of your experience and past results.

PAX was the basis used to equalize the car/driver performance. If you want to get away from PAX, "Denali" class as SCCA had it would be put you right back up there.

retrac · 06-06-2012, 03:25 PM

Looks like no one knows what it really was, including old discussion on the SCCA forum where nothing was decided on how the class would work.

So you retained your class PAX modifier but raced in the same "Denali" class for a points championship? If so, sounds like a PAX overall...

kyletakahero · 06-06-2012, 03:32 PM

So just found out I'm going to miss this weekends autoX.
I have to work from 11:45-4:30 =\
So I'm thinking I might just show up in the morning, hope for runs to start early, ask if I can be in the first run group and go first, then hopefully make it back in time for another run. Can't miss out on these points and the experience.

coldfiremx · 06-06-2012, 03:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kyletakahero

So just found out I'm going to miss this weekends autoX.
I have to work from 11:45-4:30 =\
So I'm thinking I might just show up in the morning, hope for runs to start early, ask if I can be in the first run group and go first, then hopefully make it back in time for another run. Can't miss out on these points and the experience.

Can I race your car, it's a better for PAX than my car. I want to see if I can get a good PAX time.

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05-09-2012, 01:15 PM	#101
granny Scooby Specialist Member#: 283145 Join Date: May 2011 Chapter/Region: AKIC Location: Hill side Anchorage, Alaska Vehicle: 1997 Subaru LEGASTi Wagon WRB	Thanks! I was having a lot of trouble on those loops. Any more tips? Anyone? * Registered users of the site do not see these ads.

05-09-2012, 01:30 PM	#103
granny Scooby Specialist Member#: 283145 Join Date: May 2011 Chapter/Region: AKIC Location: Hill side Anchorage, Alaska Vehicle: 1997 Subaru LEGASTi Wagon WRB	Thanks. Seeing another video helps a lot. I know I need to get tighter but I'm not going to get on myself too much because I didn't have a swaybar. If I'm still doing it next auto-x I will know that's where I really need to improve. Any more tips that you think could make me faster? I'm open to criticism.

06-05-2012, 06:47 PM	#108
Nomadgene Scooby Specialist Member#: 22923 Join Date: Aug 2002 Chapter/Region: International Vehicle: 2002 Hybrid JDM 2.0L TWIN-SCROLL Black Bugeye

06-05-2012, 06:52 PM	#109
Getagrip Scooby Specialist Member#: 2045 Join Date: Aug 2000 Chapter/Region: AKIC Location: anchorage,alaska Vehicle: BRZ, E90 BMW 330xi 05 Mustang GT (hers)	Fast cars rely on PAX ,too as to be able to be scored against the whole field (even faster cars than the "fast cars"). This is to equalize the equipment to better compare driver skill. So, if a driver of the slower car beats the driver of the faster car in PAX, it means the driver of the slower car will beat the driver of the faster car if he drive the faster car and vis-versa.

06-05-2012, 07:03 PM	#111
Mavrik Scooby Guru Member#: 90347 Join Date: Jul 2005 Chapter/Region: AKIC Location: Anchorage AK Vehicle: 2013 BRZ & Imp 2.5RS Yamaha FZ8	Jake is the Stig plain and simple.

06-05-2012, 09:02 PM	#114
Mavrik Scooby Guru Member#: 90347 Join Date: Jul 2005 Chapter/Region: AKIC Location: Anchorage AK Vehicle: 2013 BRZ & Imp 2.5RS Yamaha FZ8	please don't assume I'm pissed... most know me can say it takes a LOT. However. my point is we all work very hard to get our times. Some of us (myself) intentionally drive slow cars. My 2.5RS isn't a stock class car. Its a street touring set up with specific mods I want to maintain/autocross with. I don't use PAX to win. In fact I'm not even trying for the championship trophy. I would like the PAX trophy for the year, I won it in 2010. I feel very good about my car performance with or without PAX in mind. I look at my raw times when comparing to others but PAX is what I keep in mind. I've been autocrossing for 6+ years now. I wish we had a PAX class like SCCA had. it was call the Denali class. Basicly everyone in it were not going for other trophies. It was a group of people competing against eachother. It was fun. Getagrip remembers this. He took Denali class a LOT. Him and Kevin Cose. Its that mind set I'm still in. And it helps a 2.5RS get top of the pack finishes against cars with turbo set ups worth more then it. Some of us don't want fast straight line cars.

06-06-2012, 01:59 AM	#115
Minimaul Scooby Specialist Member#: 116296 Join Date: May 2006 Chapter/Region: AKIC Location: Hoth Vehicle: 1997 M3 Black	The Denali class was pretty cool. Though the season I was in it was the last season it was around. I'm either bad luck and broke it or I'm so awesome everyone gave up! I'm choosing the latter.

06-06-2012, 03:04 AM	#116
kayetealynn NASIOC Supporter Member#: 253304 Join Date: Jul 2010 Chapter/Region: AKIC Location: Eagle River, AK Vehicle: 2001 Impreza 2.5RS Plus MOAR	... Wow. OH wait.. I have a solution.. Share a car and settle this once and for all ;-) Hell if we're really going to make a competition out of it.. Codrive a car that neither of you have driven before so you can't claim previous handling knowledge.

06-06-2012, 03:31 AM	#117
Mavrik Scooby Guru Member#: 90347 Join Date: Jul 2005 Chapter/Region: AKIC Location: Anchorage AK Vehicle: 2013 BRZ & Imp 2.5RS Yamaha FZ8	Minimal, I am going to see about getting a Denali style class started back up. wonder if its to late to now this season but for the next,

06-06-2012, 04:21 AM	#118
Nomadgene Scooby Specialist Member#: 22923 Join Date: Aug 2002 Chapter/Region: International Vehicle: 2002 Hybrid JDM 2.0L TWIN-SCROLL Black Bugeye	I always wondered….how was the Denali class different from the rest of the competition.

06-06-2012, 02:49 PM	#119
Mavrik Scooby Guru Member#: 90347 Join Date: Jul 2005 Chapter/Region: AKIC Location: Anchorage AK Vehicle: 2013 BRZ & Imp 2.5RS Yamaha FZ8	The pax was the same. However it was a class for people to compete against each other regardless of what they drove.

06-06-2012, 03:08 PM	#122
wrcRS Scooby Specialist Member#: 66632 Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Anchorage Alaska Vehicle: 2006 The Hurricane Gray	No no no... Denali class was setup similarly to how a Novice or Ladies class is setup. We were not racing against people in our class of car, but against other people at a certain "level." You had to be invited into the class based off of your experience and past results. PAX was the basis used to equalize the car/driver performance. If you want to get away from PAX, "Denali" class as SCCA had it would be put you right back up there.

06-06-2012, 03:25 PM	#123
retrac Scooby Specialist Member#: 217208 Join Date: Jul 2009 Chapter/Region: AKIC Location: Alaska	Looks like no one knows what it really was, including old discussion on the SCCA forum where nothing was decided on how the class would work. So you retained your class PAX modifier but raced in the same "Denali" class for a points championship? If so, sounds like a PAX overall...

06-06-2012, 03:32 PM	#124
kyletakahero Scooby Specialist Member#: 185030 Join Date: Jul 2008 Chapter/Region: AKIC Location: Anchorage, AK Vehicle: 2013 STi SWP Ltd. Slowest STi evaaaar	So just found out I'm going to miss this weekends autoX. I have to work from 11:45-4:30 =\ So I'm thinking I might just show up in the morning, hope for runs to start early, ask if I can be in the first run group and go first, then hopefully make it back in time for another run. Can't miss out on these points and the experience.