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Old 01-22-2012, 06:34 PM   #51
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^^^ That's why I wouldn't want to off set grind a 75mm crank because of having to use a 48mm bearing... I would rather wait and do a 77mm crank 4+mm rods, an ej257 block with H beam rods/JE pistons and either ej205 heads so I can get a better cam for both exhaust and intake or just the sohc heads with delta 3000 cams and revving it to 7500-8k or so. I know I would lose some low end, but I would combat that with a 05 legacy gt gear set coupled with a 4.44 final drive

Not to get off topic of this crank, but I really want to wait though for this. I found a 97 impreza brighton 5 spd coupe some where that I would put this engine in....would be pretty quick for an NA
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77mm and +4mm equals itty bitty ringlands but seeing you said NA, you'd be alright. Being you're NA though, you don't need a 52mm journal and you'd free up some power on the 48mm journal. Just saying...but do what floats your boat.
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77mm and +4mm equals itty bitty ringlands but seeing you said NA, you'd be alright. Being you're NA though, you don't need a 52mm journal and you'd free up some power on the 48mm journal. Just saying...but do what floats your boat.
I was just throwing that idea out there so I could get some info about if would work or not... I know I could do a 75mm crank and 4+mm rods but since I want to build a higher revving NA, I would lose some low end of course. But, what if I do the 77mm crank and 2mm+ rods would that be a better set up? I know Dom has done a few engines with the 79mm crank and 2mm+ rods would that work for a NA as well? Which one would you do? Not to get off topic again...lol...but how much would it be to off set grind a crank if I did? So, I would be ok with a 48mm bearing revving to 7500-8k along with the oiling?
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I currently only do +2mm on my EJ25 engines but it is a weight game, not for the effect of the longer rod.

Only Crawford ever advertised a 'long rod' EJ25 which only had a 1.25mm longer rod (Phase 1 EJ25 length)

As for offset grinding, the last time I did this was a few years back on an EG'37' build, so I don't have accurate pricing right now for an EJ. It is work that is outsourced.


Which one would depend on the use of the car. For pure fun street car, I'd spin a 2.34L to 9500 RPM. A 77mm stroke setup will cost a bit more because of labor in offset grinding but I could see the setup putting a grin on your face.

For my personal setup, I'd toss 4.44 diffs in and do a 2.34L. Let the gears make the tq

I think the current NA EJ record is sitting at 200whp or so.
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I currently only do +2mm on my EJ25 engines but it is a weight game, not for the effect of the longer rod.

Only Crawford ever advertised a 'long rod' EJ25 which only had a 1.25mm longer rod (Phase 1 EJ25 length)

As for offset grinding, the last time I did this was a few years back on an EG'37' build, so I don't have accurate pricing right now for an EJ. It is work that is outsourced.


Which one would depend on the use of the car. For pure fun street car, I'd spin a 2.34L to 9500 RPM. A 77mm stroke setup will cost a bit more because of labor in offset grinding but I could see the setup putting a grin on your face.

For my personal setup, I'd toss 4.44 diffs in and do a 2.34L. Let the gears make the tq

I think the current NA EJ record is sitting at 200whp or so.
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consumer interest? it took me awhile to find this thread, post something up on built motor discussion i'm sure there would be more interest. i E-mailed you this week about planning a motor build for early summer. Wish this could be a possibility
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received two more bad cranks from Manley. Haven't ordered any until now, since the issues I posted about earlier in the thread and both are bad.

This is going to cost us thousands.

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just got off the phone.

I'm the "only one" that has ever had a problem. Actually to quote it properly "We have had zero issues from anyone but you"

So what does that tell us? Nobody else is properly inspecting these cranks? They don't notice the gun drilling is crooked? It's pretty obvious. They don't spin balance?
What is it? Why am I the only one catching all these errors from manufacturers?
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I don't run Manley

I'm surprised by the numbers of builders that slap together parts without balancing and assume all is well.
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It is likely that the MPS quality process is more rigorous. I have seen a lot of poor quality from some "name builders".

Manley should make the cranks right. It seems like they could duplicate the MPS inspection process.

Keep on going MPS!
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It is likely that the MPS quality process is more rigorous. I have seen a lot of poor quality from some "name builders".

Manley should make the cranks right. It seems like they could duplicate the MPS inspection process.

Keep on going MPS!

that's thing, it isn't hard.
Mic it...
Spin it...

I haven't even gotten to do runouts because they fail before that. The journal sizes are usually good. The gun drilling is obviously crooked to the naked eye. How do you miss that?

I really really really don't want to mandate that my customers spend 3k on a crankshaft, but if that's what it's coming to... crap. I need a new platform.
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What's there response with you show evidence or their poor craftsmanship? Still you're the only one that notices. Does that mean every billet crank they push out has the same defects?!
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What's there response with you show evidence or their poor craftsmanship? Still you're the only one that notices. Does that mean every billet crank they push out has the same defects?!
They stopped taking my calls. I guess its time to hit them hard.

I'll post up pictures, emails, details and names of Manley people I have spoken to. Maybe that will get someone's attention. I'll do it on all the boards.

Make sure everyone knows the product is defective and let Manley know they can't sell **** and think it is ok.

After I give them one more chance..
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Still not clear:
Is this their off the shelf cranks or just ones you're having built to your spec?
I don't see why they wouldn't warranty it if you haven't done any machining to it. This is good to know.
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Off the shelf cranks are what have been buying.
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It was clear to me when i spoke to manley that the right hand didnt know wtf the left was doing. The tech "professional" i spoke with originally told me that he 100% guaranteed that my rod bolts would not break on initial start up. And then 100% changed to 80% after i told him my torque wrench was brand new and came with a certification of calibration. and then i talked to him a bit more it was 50/50 that they might break, might not. By the time i got off the phone he was telling me to purchase a new set of rod bolts for the brand new set of rods i had just purchased. He said that because my torque wrench was in calibration, i used a superior grade of oil, and that i followed their written directions to the T. That it was likely that i had yielded the bolts by torque cycling them too many times.
Seems reasonable right lol
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just got off the phone.

I'm the "only one" that has ever had a problem. Actually to quote it properly "We have had zero issues from anyone but you"

So what does that tell us? Nobody else is properly inspecting these cranks? They don't notice the gun drilling is crooked? It's pretty obvious. They don't spin balance?
What is it? Why am I the only one catching all these errors from manufacturers?
because you're the only one that really knows what they're doing?

it's good to know stuff like this. i was looking at buying some of their pistons but i think i'll keep away and go with another manufacturer after reading what's in this thread alone.

don't be afraid to tell us. i've been ripped off to the tune of $3000 with bad engine work. another auto electrician tried to charge me $440 to install 3 grounding points etc etc. i now do basically everything myself and if i can't do it i take it somewhere that will do exactly what i ask, when i ask, and nothing else.
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because you're the only one that really knows what they're doing?

it's good to know stuff like this. i was looking at buying some of their pistons but i think i'll keep away and go with another manufacturer after reading what's in this thread alone.

don't be afraid to tell us. i've been ripped off to the tune of $3000 with bad engine work. another auto electrician tried to charge me $440 to install 3 grounding points etc etc. i now do basically everything myself and if i can't do it i take it somewhere that will do exactly what i ask, when i ask, and nothing else.

manley pistons are heavy and the rings are terrible. Most shops that use Manley pistons use a different ring set.

They did nail the cam of the piston (no scuffing) from what I've been told and they are pretty strong. We don't use their pistons, but if I did I would not have any fear about their strength. I would just use better rings.
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They stopped taking my calls. I guess its time to hit them hard.

I'll post up pictures, emails, details and names of Manley people I have spoken to. Maybe that will get someone's attention. I'll do it on all the boards.

Make sure everyone knows the product is defective and let Manley know they can't sell **** and think it is ok.

After I give them one more chance..
This is great info w manley's qualities. I even considers buying their billet crank. With the problems i read with their product, i'll just get a better product when the time comes for me to buy new internals.
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