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Old 05-23-2012, 04:10 PM   #51
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I took it in to the dealer after work and they said my car was 3/4 quart low. I asked why I was only getting low indicator lights while in stop and go traffic, not cornering or accelerating hard. They actually said that florida counts as "severe driving" even though the owners manual and soa say otherwise. The dealer is getting my new replacement seatback in thursday, so they're going to change the oil and do an oil consumption analysis.
I was pretty livid. I said "its not a 75 vega and it shouldn't consume oil like one". I personally think its a sensor but the oil level was about a quarter inch below the last time I checked but still well above the low line. I'd say a qaurter inch below the full mark.
Last time they changed my oil they way over-filled it and I actually had to take it back and have them drain a quart out.
ah, i found the answer to my question. i am really curious to see what comes of their test. i find it very puzzling that they can say you are 3/4 qt low without draining the pan. unless they somehow have insider info that being 1/4" below the high fill line is 3/4 qt low (that's not consistent with the manual)

i'm with you, it's a sensor or pressure issue.
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Old 05-23-2012, 04:48 PM   #52
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Its the proper "160" filter.
And auskiPro- I already stated that I did check the oil level after they changed it. It was way above full aso I took it back and they reduced the level to the top indicator mark.
I find this whole situation to be quite unacceptable. Rings have seated on every other car I've ever owned. It ran great since new, got better than epa mpg's right away. I followed subarus break in advice. The problem, whatever it is, is new as I check all my fluids very regularly.
How about changing the oil filter to see if that fixes it? If it's an oil pressure issue, a defective filter could certainly contribute to that, I would think.
I always try the cheap and quick possible solutions. If it doesn't fix it, $8 wasted is livable.
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Old 05-23-2012, 05:22 PM   #53
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Ummm I've been trying to...
Why the snarky answer?

Edit to add- the above was in response to the "nice. Enjoy your car". I should have quoted it.

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Old 05-23-2012, 05:41 PM   #54
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Ummm I've been trying to...
Why the snarky answer?
Are you referring to me?
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Old 05-23-2012, 05:57 PM   #55
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Is it oil level light or oil pressure light? The indicators are different.
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Old 05-23-2012, 08:12 PM   #56
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No tom- not you.
Its the Oil light on the bottom left of the tach, the yellow one with the liquid symbol under it. Not the red light. I'd assume the red would be the pressure light. But with this car nothing surprises me.
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Old 05-23-2012, 08:29 PM   #57
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The liquid symbol means level.
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Old 05-23-2012, 08:30 PM   #58
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ah, i found the answer to my question. i am really curious to see what comes of their test. i find it very puzzling that they can say you are 3/4 qt low without draining the pan. unless they somehow have insider info that being 1/4" below the high fill line is 3/4 qt low (that's not consistent with the manual)

i'm with you, it's a sensor or pressure issue.
This is a whole lot easier to accomplish than you think. I've been a service tech for over four years now and I can tell you about how low your car is just by looking at the dipstick. Its not a hard concept for some, when your doing that a few times a day every day you get good at eyeballing. So I dont think they would have to drain it just to know how low it was....
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Old 05-23-2012, 08:37 PM   #59
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With 3200 miles on the vehicle I was about 1/2 quart low.
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Old 05-23-2012, 08:39 PM   #60
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This is a whole lot easier to accomplish than you think. I've been a service tech for over four years now and I can tell you about how low your car is just by looking at the dipstick. Its not a hard concept for some, when your doing that a few times a day every day you get good at eyeballing. So I dont think they would have to drain it just to know how low it was....
But supposedly according to the manual there is one qt between the dots. From what 79 described he was nowhere near being 3/4 qt low.
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Old 05-23-2012, 11:19 PM   #61
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The tech at my local dealer can't possibly know from experience how low it is quart-wise from the dipstick. I'm the only one in town with one of these cars. They don't know one single thing about fb engines or the 2012 impreza. At all. They told me "those are 500,000 mile engines" to which I made a very sarcastic remark about how much oil it would be consuming by then. I still think its a sensor thing but am getting the oil consumption analysis set up this saturday.
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Old 05-24-2012, 07:23 AM   #62
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I think that pretty much all dipsticks that use the hole markings like on the 2012 the distance from the bottom hole to the top hole is 1 quart.

If you change your own oil, you will soon confirm this is true, and certainly helps to estimate how much you need to add to top it off.
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Old 05-24-2012, 08:00 AM   #63
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Are your rings not seated? Then Jump to find the answer.
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Old 05-24-2012, 10:15 AM   #64
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The only conclusion I've made is that SOA suck and so does my dealer. God it ould be nice for anyone who works for subaru to have ANY real info about these cars.
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Old 05-24-2012, 10:28 AM   #65
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The only conclusion I've made is that SOA suck and so does my dealer. God it ould be nice for anyone who works for subaru to have ANY real info about these cars.
Ive come to the conclusion that if you want it done right do it yourself. Im lucky to have a good dealer 20 miles away but if they are so bad and you pay them to do the work then i would just DIY.
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Old 05-24-2012, 12:33 PM   #66
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I think that pretty much all dipsticks that use the hole markings like on the 2012 the distance from the bottom hole to the top hole is 1 quart.

If you change your own oil, you will soon confirm this is true, and certainly helps to estimate how much you need to add to top it off.
i'll let you guys know in a few weeks. my plan (before all of this discussion ensued) was to put in 5 qts since that was a convenient amount based on the size of containers i can buy.

i'm debating now aout trying to put in 4.3 qts and see where that comes up on the dipstick before putting in the whole 5 qts and seeing where that comes up on the dipstick. i'll of course add more than 5 qts if it doesn't come up to at least partially between the two dots.

but i continue to assert that something else is amiss with 79's and the other person mentioning oil problems a couple of months ago. i don't know what the official stand is, but i would hope that 5.3 qts should be near the "full line/dot," and not the lower dot.

regardless, if the lower dot is "low," i would think that is when the light should come on.

also, i've always been schooled to not fill to above the high dot/line. i've occasionally let it get a little above that, but not by much. i usually aim at 3/4 to all the way to the "high mark."
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Old 05-24-2012, 12:39 PM   #67
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I brought mine in, no issues found.

Levels are good, no codes recorded, light shut off.

Freakin gremlins, i should've bought the CX-5
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Old 05-24-2012, 12:44 PM   #68
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I brought mine in, no issues found.

Levels are good, no codes recorded, light shut off.

Freakin gremlins, i should've bought the CX-5
so unsatisfying. as you suggest: gremlins...

anyone out there change their oil yet? again, i plan to do mine a few weeks. i'll be very curious how much oil the car takes to get to the lower dot and then the upper dot.
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so unsatisfying. as you suggest: gremlins...

anyone out there change their oil yet? again, i plan to do mine a few weeks. i'll be very curious how much oil the car takes to get to the lower dot and then the upper dot.
How do you think I feel? It's made me late to work 2 days in a row from BS gremlin activity!
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Old 05-24-2012, 12:53 PM   #70
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How do you think I feel? It's made me late to work 2 days in a row from BS gremlin activity!
i sympathize.

although i have to say that your answer from the dealer is slightly (and only) slightly more satisfying that 79's dealer telling him he was 3/4 qt down and putting that in so now he is above the high mark on the dipstick.

to me, 3/4 qt down should be 1/4 of the dipstick range left. but this is my first subaru, maybe they do things differently than honda, toyota, mazda, ford, audi, and opel?
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Old 05-24-2012, 01:24 PM   #71
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You motivated me to check mine again, at 2540 it's exactly on the full mark
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Old 05-24-2012, 03:02 PM   #72
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I don't pay. My maintenance is free till 24k. SOA actually has lied to me and told me the dealer HAS to change it... NOT TRUE.
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I don't pay. My maintenance is free till 24k. SOA actually has lied to me and told me the dealer HAS to change it... NOT TRUE.
Then 79 its a trade off. Do the work yourself and know that you have 5 quarts in it or give it to the dealer and trust them to do a good job.

let us know the oil comsumption analysis results. Ive personally never heard of an oil comsumption analysis only an Oil Analysis that tells you the metal, carbon and various other contents in the oil. Not real sure how they will be able to tell you how much oil its consuming better than reading a dipsitck.
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Old 05-24-2012, 07:09 PM   #74
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The dealer and soa both agreed that an oil consumption test was in order. I drop the car off saturday for a new seatback, rear hatch latch adjustment, and the oil consumption test. They said it consisted of draining the oil and measuring how much is in there, then filling it precisely with the amount the factory calls for, me driving the car for X miles and then drainiong it and seeing how much less oil there is than 5.3 quarts. At least that's what soa said.
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The tech at my local dealer can't possibly know from experience how low it is quart-wise from the dipstick. I'm the only one in town with one of these cars. They don't know one single thing about fb engines or the 2012 impreza. At all. They told me "those are 500,000 mile engines" to which I made a very sarcastic remark about how much oil it would be consuming by then. I still think its a sensor thing but am getting the oil consumption analysis set up this saturday.
Most every Subie oil pan is about the same lenth x width (they're almost all boxer fours!), so 1/4" difference on teh dipstick will be about the same volume of oil in every model of car...
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