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Old 06-11-2012, 01:45 AM   #12576
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i was thinking about putting a clear vinyl film on my roof so instead of buying a cross bar and a basket, i could something like this, http://www.weathertech.com/racksack/, and not worry about scratching my paint. any thoughts?
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Old 06-11-2012, 08:27 AM   #12577
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The bottom of the rack sack is made of a much softer material than the rest of the bag. It's made to be on your roof without damaging the paint. A film wouldn't hurt but it's not necessary.
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Old 06-11-2012, 11:51 AM   #12578
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The bottom of the rack sack is made of a much softer material than the rest of the bag. It's made to be on your roof without damaging the paint. A film wouldn't hurt but it's not necessary.
Statically, maybe.

Does the sack contact the roof at all?
With any dirt between the rack sack and the paint, not so good.
With fluttering caused by driving faster than 12 miles per hour, even worse.
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Old 06-11-2012, 03:48 PM   #12579
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i installed it myself. there are not anchor points at the top of the seat protector other than 2 tiny pieces of velcro. i just thought of something i might have missed in the instructions, but would be pretty stupid if you ask me. there are rubber chords on the top of all the protectors, are they supposed to loop around the head rests?
EDIT: yup, missed that step, whoops! gonna go try that and see how it looks. i think it will look pretty tacky, i might try adding more velcro first
You wont even notice the cords around the head rest unless you have them raised up. I love the seat back protector.
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Old 06-11-2012, 04:03 PM   #12580
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And I hardly believe the differences in paint thickness is visible to the human eye. And how would paint "feel" thicker?
I agree that one can "feel" that the paint on cars is thinner, albeit not necessarily in the tactile sense of "feel". Maybe it's from already knowing that cheapskate robo-painters are applying the paint, or maybe there is some "reveal" on the part of a thinner, cheaper paint-job that I can't put into words, but since the mid-90's paint just looks and "feels" thinner. Or maybe it's just the aesthetic nature of the water-based paints to look a certain way some of us unconsciously call thinner. I only chime in because I agree that the Impreza's paint feels thinner (admitting it could be other attributes of the paint process giving that impression), and I agree with you that it is an industry-wide problem. Still: high-end luxury cars don't give off this aesthetic, so maybe there is a factory solution to cheap paint jobs. Or else I'm dazzled by the BMW logos (lol). I want to get that full Xpel treatment. It's the clear-coat the factory should have put on. I just wandered my neighborhood this morning, and observed that the 2010-2011 Outbacks and Forresters all over my 'hood have significant (ie. notable) traces of road rash on the front clip, compared to other brands (but they have it too), so maybe Subaru's robots are extra stingy (or extra efficient, depending on point of view)
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Old 06-11-2012, 04:30 PM   #12581
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The whole paint "feel" think is partly the paint and partly the metal underneath it. If you put two steel plates in front of someone, and one is 1/32 thick while the other is 12 inches thick, then have them drag their hand across the surface... They would be able to tell you which one was thicker. The thicker plate has a (slightly) different reaction to touch, plus it transfers heat away from (or into) your hand at different rates. In general, feeling things is mostly voodoo and nothing something that can be easily explained.

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Old 06-11-2012, 04:54 PM   #12582
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The whole paint "feel" think is partly the paint and partly the metal underneath it. If you put two steel plates in front of someone, and one is 1/32 thick while the other is 12 inches thick, then had someone drag their hand across the surface, they would be able to tell you which one was thicker. The thicker plate has a (slightly) different reaction to touch, plus it transfers heat away from (or into) your hand at different rates. In general, feeling things is mostly voodoo and nothing something that can be easily explained.
XLNT observation. Just listen to the less-than-solid "tink" (lol) when you shut the Impreza door. That metal is thiiiin! Hope it's not the dent magnet I think it'll be.
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Old 06-11-2012, 04:57 PM   #12583
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You wont even notice the cords around the head rest unless you have them raised up. I love the seat back protector.
maybe, but I notice them. i got some industrial velcro today, i am going to try that.

just a poor design of the securing mechanism, the push pins that hold them in place should be placed up higher
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Old 06-11-2012, 06:19 PM   #12584
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So the low oil light came on again (first instance was the end of April). SOA has told the dealer to perform a consumption test. Can't be too mad. Everyone is doing the right things to
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Old 06-11-2012, 06:57 PM   #12585
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Thin metal isn't necessarily bad, if it can absorb an impact and bounce back.

And you can't really see the thickness of the paint itself, but you can see the thickness of the clear coat.
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Old 06-11-2012, 07:28 PM   #12586
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The whole paint "feel" think is partly the paint and partly the metal underneath it. If you put two steel plates in front of someone, and one is 1/32 thick while the other is 12 inches thick, then have them drag their hand across the surface... They would be able to tell you which one was thicker. The thicker plate has a (slightly) different reaction to touch, plus it transfers heat away from (or into) your hand at different rates. In general, feeling things is mostly voodoo and nothing something that can be easily explained.
Paint is .0023 inches and .0035 for thick This is the type of difference we are talking about. So feeling the difference seems a bit of a stretch.
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Old 06-11-2012, 09:38 PM   #12587
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Anyone install (or remove) your OEM cross bars? Not the aero ones for Sport models, just the plain cross bars. The screws are in so tight I can't get them to budge. They're star shaped (torx) screws & the part came with a screw driver. Had a few others try as well. I'm going to try with a drill bit attachment tomorrow but I don't want to risk stripping them. Anyone have any advice who HAS done this? I don't want to have to go & spend money on install after I saved it with my double discount codes.
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Old 06-11-2012, 09:45 PM   #12588
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Subaru's website just got an update. I'm building a 2012 Impreza Premium hatchback and it says that the optional sport grille is "Excluded".... The heck?!
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Old 06-11-2012, 10:12 PM   #12589
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Anyone install (or remove) your OEM cross bars? Not the aero ones for Sport models, just the plain cross bars. The screws are in so tight I can't get them to budge. They're star shaped (torx) screws & the part came with a screw driver. Had a few others try as well. I'm going to try with a drill bit attachment tomorrow but I don't want to risk stripping them. Anyone have any advice who HAS done this? I don't want to have to go & spend money on install after I saved it with my double discount codes.
if they were installed with locktite you can heat the head of a screw with a butane torch, a hair drier, a flame thrower, etc and they will back right out.

I doubt they are seized up with corrosion, but it would not surprise me if they were installed with locktite.
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Old 06-11-2012, 10:17 PM   #12590
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if they were installed with locktite you can heat the head of a screw with a butane torch, a hair drier, a flame thrower, etc and they will back right out.

I doubt they are seized up with corrosion, but it would not surprise me if they were installed with locktite.
Thanks. I'll try that. They're brand new cross bars with a screw that has to be removed & replaced. I'm doubting there's any corrosion there.
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Old 06-11-2012, 10:18 PM   #12591
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Subaru's website just got an update. I'm building a 2012 Impreza Premium hatchback and it says that the optional sport grille is "Excluded".... The heck?!

um, you can't anymore unless you already ordered
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Old 06-12-2012, 01:21 AM   #12592
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Paint is .0023 inches and .0035 for thick This is the type of difference we are talking about. So feeling the difference seems a bit of a stretch.
I'd like to think it's a zen thing, and has no rational explanation, but the above observation about thin metal is I think an excellent almost scientific one. I didn't know paint was spread so thin.
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Old 06-12-2012, 06:15 AM   #12593
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The doors on the impreza are significantly heavier than the doors were on my 2008 hyundai elantra. If the sheet metal is thin, the internal bracing is much thicker.

Zen would be not comparing the paint job on a $20,000 dollar entry-level subaru with a $50,000 luxury car. That's about as productive as barking at the moon.
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Old 06-12-2012, 07:25 AM   #12594
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I'd like to think it's a zen thing, and has no rational explanation, but the above observation about thin metal is I think an excellent almost scientific one. I didn't know paint was spread so thin.
The force is strong with this one.
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Old 06-12-2012, 09:44 AM   #12595
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Thinner metal = a lighter car. What's under the metal is what saves your ass in a collision!
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Old 06-12-2012, 09:48 AM   #12596
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The doors on the impreza are significantly heavier than the doors were on my 2008 hyundai elantra. If the sheet metal is thin, the internal bracing is much thicker.

Zen would be not comparing the paint job on a $20,000 dollar entry-level subaru with a $50,000 luxury car. That's about as productive as barking at the moon.
Who did that? A Luxury car doesn't have these issues as I said. I was trying to say you can sense cheap. I can't quantify personally, so I call it a Zen sense (cue chimes). The thin sheet metal is a good explanation for the perception of a rinky-dink paint job. Not very productive comparing a 2008 Elantra to a new Impreza, either.
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Old 06-12-2012, 09:50 AM   #12597
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The force is strong with this one.
Thanks, Obi Wan!
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Old 06-12-2012, 10:39 AM   #12598
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Thinner metal = a lighter car. What's under the metal is what saves your ass in a collision!
Truth...
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Old 06-12-2012, 10:59 AM   #12599
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Is it just the Subaru brand or do the doors on the Impreza swing open very quickly and widly? If so, is there a way to slow it down ir put some resistance to it?
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Is it just the Subaru brand or do the doors on the Impreza swing open very quickly and widly? If so, is there a way to slow it down ir put some resistance to it?
Hold onto the door when you open it?!? Was this a serious question...
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