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Old 06-19-2012, 03:46 PM   #176
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I hope Veronica comes through for you!
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Old 06-19-2012, 07:36 PM   #177
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Last word from her yesterday was that I'd be emailed today after talking to "their new sales manager". Maybe she got the memo they don't want to fix my car afterall. I don't really want the car anymore, I'm fine with the payments but it seems to be falling apart faster than I can pay for it.
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Old 06-19-2012, 08:54 PM   #178
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Last word from her yesterday was that I'd be emailed today after talking to "their new sales manager". Maybe she got the memo they don't want to fix my car afterall. I don't really want the car anymore, I'm fine with the payments but it seems to be falling apart faster than I can pay for it.
I know how you feel, bro. I'd tell you to go buy a VW Golf TDI, but that car was problematic for me (just like your car is for you), so I can't recommend it. And I didn't get the level of love from VWoA I was hoping for, so the parent company wasn't doing it for me either.
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Old 06-19-2012, 09:41 PM   #179
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Old 06-19-2012, 09:44 PM   #180
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Last word from her yesterday was that I'd be emailed today after talking to "their new sales manager". Maybe she got the memo they don't want to fix my car afterall. I don't really want the car anymore, I'm fine with the payments but it seems to be falling apart faster than I can pay for it.
Yeah, or maybe they're freaking out seeing that you publicly flamed their dealership cuz they're douches! Good luck bro! And Veronica, the dude's entitled to be a satisfied customer, and your dealership is not entitled to ignore that simple rule of business.
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Old 06-19-2012, 11:03 PM   #181
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Thanks, BigVox, I'm glad someone shares my feelings. I want to post the emails but I'm trying to be nice. I was basaically asked "want do you want out of all this" and I said I either wanted a different car or that they could come pick it up and I'll go buy an Audi A3 Quattro.
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Old 06-19-2012, 11:05 PM   #182
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In the Dealer Reviews forum there's a thread about an Ontario dealer, and the gentleman was very eloquent in his emails. I may hire him to email soa for me!
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Old 06-19-2012, 11:41 PM   #183
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Good luck 79! Hope you and the dealership can come to some kind of a satisfactory agreement. If the dealership doesn't come through for you, Hopefully SOA will step up and help you out. It sucks to hear about the various issues with your car and that crappy stealership.
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Old 06-20-2012, 07:38 AM   #184
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Good luck 79! Hope you and the dealership can come to some kind of a satisfactory agreement. If the dealership doesn't come through for you, Hopefully SOA will step up and help you out. It sucks to hear about the various issues with your car and that crappy stealership.
In my nasty VW experience, the dealer seemed constrained to only do what VW of America would approve. And when I asked VWoA for what I thought was a reasonable warranty extension (I wasn't even asking for a replacement car like 79 is), VWoA told me to go pound sand.

That's why I sold my VW TDI last weekend, and just bought an Impreza Sport Premium last night (will pick it up on Friday)! So now you gents (and gals?) get my contributions rather than the TDI forum, from this point forward.

So as far as hoping that SOA will step up and help 79 out, well, good luck with that. The fact that they said it is the dealer's choice to ban a customer from the dealership for filling out a critical survey doesn't sound promising. What a bunch of BS.
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Old 06-20-2012, 08:05 AM   #185
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Soa basically told me to write-off Bill Bryan. Initially they said they wanted to resolve the issue(s) at the dealer I purchased it from. So I guess now I have to take a whole day off work to drive a couple hours to the next dealer that isn't owned by Bill Bryan and replicate the problems. Basically- I have to start all over from scratch and now I'll have to miss work and go WAY out of my way. This whole purchase has been nothing but headaches.
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Old 06-20-2012, 08:12 AM   #186
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And I never asked them for a replacement car. She asked what would make me happy. So I told her.
Soa initially told me they would "do something to make up for all the frustration" I assumed they would extend my warranty, especially with the oil consumption. Next time I talk to em maybe I'll just ask. Maybe since she's no longer responding and wanted to discuss thing privately away from other ears like at the dealer, maybe I should post our email exchange. She sure sounded like she was gonna help in some way. But how is the internet sales person from a dealer that wants to issue a tresspass warning if I drive onto their property really gonna do anything?? We will see- or not!
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I suspect your issues are beyond Veronica's pay grade.
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Did a google seach on the foresters with fb's and came across this -


"Burning Oil 2011 Subaru Forester- dealer trying to say it's normal?

2011 Forester seems to be burning about a quart of oil every few weeks. I have an appointment for the dealer to look at it but right off the bat, the service guy tried to manage my expectations by quoting page 11-9 in the manual that since it uses 0w20, it is "acceptable" (by who?) to burn 1 quart every 1, 200 miles. At $8/quart that is ridiculous on a new car (it requires full synthetic). I also think it is burning even more than that. Every time I turn around, the dip stick appears to be dry which could also hurt the motor. This seems like a serious design flaw- I don't care what they list in the manual. It is a boxer 4 cylinder (not a turbo). It is driven gently. Would it be okay to use a heavier oil or given the tolerances and engine design, could this hurt the motor? I assume a thicker oil would not burn as much. I also read that since it is a boxer motor and the pistons are on the side, on start up, it burns extra oil and it needs thinner oil so it can circulate more quickly since no oil stays in the heads- it drips down when the car is off unlike a traditional motor where much of the oil stays in the top. The lower center of gravity the boxer engine provides helps with handling but I guess there is a trade off e.g., rough starts and oil consumption.

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Sounds VERY FAMILIAR!!!! That's the same line of BS I was fed at Bill Bryan.
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Old 06-20-2012, 11:46 AM   #189
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Did a google seach on the foresters with fb's and came across this -


"Burning Oil 2011 Subaru Forester- dealer trying to say it's normal?.....I also read that since it is a boxer motor and the pistons are on the side, on start up, it burns extra oil and it needs thinner oil so it can circulate more quickly since no oil stays in the heads- it drips down when the car is off unlike a traditional motor where much of the oil stays in the top. The lower center of gravity the boxer engine provides helps with handling but I guess there is a trade off e.g., rough starts and oil consumption."
But I've owned old Bugs and Busses where I've partially rebuilt top-ends under a tree in the rain, then driven the crap out of them and not used excessive oil (and still got mpg that would shame a lot of newer cars...Hitler's revenge??), and Porches are not known for excessive oil consumption on 6 cylinder horizontal motors. Old air-cooled boxer motors use straight 30-weight, so the argument they "need" 0w-20 is BS. Also, the logic that somehow a "traditional" engine uses oil more efficiently is nonsense. If anything, the boxer motor is less a victim of gravity than a V-8 or a Straight 6. They used different grades given different configurations. And I don't think there's a whole bunch of folks complaining about oil consumption in their Subaru boxer. If you are still burning oil, and it wasn't just a fluke of the gremlin variety, then it has to be rings, right? I know you're still righteously P.O'd about this horrible new car experience (the whole forum knocks wood), but has oil consumption changed? Is there even a remote chance the wrong oil was used once which somehow burned off too quick, but now you're not burning oil? Is there any information on certain build date 2.0 boxers burning oil, much as with the notorious Mexican-built VW Jetta motors and their backwards rings? (Sorry Mexico: You cannot build motors, apparently). I only ask these questions, because Subaru boxer engine tech is in a lot of ways the same as when the Zeros used them 70+ years ago. Subaru knows how to build these motors, which leads me to believe you have a lemon, and not an example of Subaru's usual work. Anyone else burning lots of oil?
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thats what we have in common- i've built lots of bugs n busses! and never had oil problems with flat fours in the past. still have my first car a CHERRY 1966 beetle.
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And I cannot say for certain that the crappy dealer put 0w20 in it, but I now have a sevice appointment at Mastro!!!
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Old 06-20-2012, 12:33 PM   #192
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But I've owned old Bugs and Busses where I've partially rebuilt top-ends under a tree in the rain, then driven the crap out of them and not used excessive oil (and still got mpg that would shame a lot of newer cars...Hitler's revenge??), and Porches are not known for excessive oil consumption on 6 cylinder horizontal motors. Old air-cooled boxer motors use straight 30-weight, so the argument they "need" 0w-20 is BS. Also, the logic that somehow a "traditional" engine uses oil more efficiently is nonsense. If anything, the boxer motor is less a victim of gravity than a V-8 or a Straight 6. They used different grades given different configurations. And I don't think there's a whole bunch of folks complaining about oil consumption in their Subaru boxer. If you are still burning oil, and it wasn't just a fluke of the gremlin variety, then it has to be rings, right? I know you're still righteously P.O'd about this horrible new car experience (the whole forum knocks wood), but has oil consumption changed? Is there even a remote chance the wrong oil was used once which somehow burned off too quick, but now you're not burning oil? Is there any information on certain build date 2.0 boxers burning oil, much as with the notorious Mexican-built VW Jetta motors and their backwards rings? (Sorry Mexico: You cannot build motors, apparently). I only ask these questions, because Subaru boxer engine tech is in a lot of ways the same as when the Zeros used them 70+ years ago. Subaru knows how to build these motors, which leads me to believe you have a lemon, and not an example of Subaru's usual work. Anyone else burning lots of oil?
Nope not burning lots of oil. Maybe a slight amount but not lots.
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I wonder if it is like airplane engines where they all seem to run 1-3 qts low and that is the happy place because anything more just gets spit out breather tube and it will stay at the happy level for a long time
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thats what we have in common- i've built lots of bugs n busses! and never had oil problems with flat fours in the past. still have my first car a CHERRY 1966 beetle.
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I'm a sucker for the old VW's (I'm in Portland, Oregon, so small surprise, there)

Yeah, no car consumes quarts of oil as a design feature, as according to your dealer. Can't a fellow just do his own oil (Imprezas are easy!!), keep the labels from the oil jugs for warranty purposes, and fire the f'in dealerships? My dealership is huge and reputable, and while well-versed in sleazy, shmarmy car-salesperson-ese, they have a great reputation for service, knowledgeability, and customer satisfaction. Still, I would like to reserve the right to change my synthetic after a hard 1000 mile trip through the dustbowls of Mongolia, or the dunes of the Sahara, rather than to have to wait for 7500 miles to satisfy warranty considerations.
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I only ask these questions, because Subaru boxer engine tech is in a lot of ways the same as when the Zeros used them 70+ years ago. Subaru knows how to build these motors, which leads me to believe you have a lemon, and not an example of Subaru's usual work. Anyone else burning lots of oil?
You had me at that point, I was thinking, how exciting, the Mitsubishi Zero engine was a boxer!

Except it wasn't, it was a: Nakajima Sakae 12 radial engine.

I think almost all aircraft in WWII used radial engines, but I'm not sure, for sure.

Cause if it was a boxer, I was thinking how cool, and STI Zero vs a Ford Mustang...
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Nope not burning lots of oil. Maybe a slight amount but not lots.
But notably abnormal in the amount you're going through? And not because of some break-in period inefficiency? Burning oil, versus simply and normally consuming oil?
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Already had many little issues with this brand new car. Yesterday I was driving around town and my oil check light came on. I pulled over and called the dealer, soa, and subaru roadside. None of them would answer a single question. The dealer said I could have it towed there but they have no loaners. So I started it back up and after about a minute the light went off. Oil level is at full. This morning on the way to work the light comes on again? Starting to think I got me a LEMON!!!!!!!!


sounds like you and everyone else with half a brain needs to learn those dash lights are MEANINGLESS. cars have been around for nearly 100 years. You dont need a ****ing light to know how to read a dipstick. jesus people, can nobody think for themselves anymore?
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But notably abnormal in the amount you're going through? And not because of some break-in period inefficiency? Burning oil, versus simply and normally consuming oil?
Im willing to bet it was because of the Break in period than anything else. Again i only have 3700 miles on it. 700 since the last oil change and ive been watching it like a hawk. No significant change in the past 700.
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79 - If I was as disappointed as you in a car, I would get rid of it and get something else. Have you considered this? You may take a little hit, but it would be worth it.

If you accept the extended warranty, be aware that they will have you sign something waiving any future liability for this car. You will forfeit your ability to seek any other compensation from them, including lemoning the car.

If you are serious about them replacing the car with another one, pursue that option with them. I think Subaru is pretty liberal with this and try to keep customers happy. In fact, when I was at the dealership getting my car, there was someone there who had just done this.
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You had me at that point, I was thinking, how exciting, the Mitsubishi Zero engine was a boxer!

Except it wasn't, it was a: Nakajima Sakae 12 radial engine.

I think almost all aircraft in WWII used radial engines, but I'm not sure, for sure.

Cause if it was a boxer, I was thinking how cool, and STI Zero vs a Ford Mustang...
Ha, Ha, Ok. Got me. I thought the horizontal air-cooled engine had it's origins as World War II fighter engines. I should have wiki'd before I posted. Yeah, a Mitsubishi STi would be cool, because it'd be modded and tarted up. The dogfights would sound cool, too. Thanks for correcting me.

From wikipedia: "Flat engines offer a low centre of gravity and thereby may offer a drive configuration with better stability and control. Flat engines lend themselves well to aircraft engines...Boxer engines of up to eight cylinders have proved highly successful in automobiles and up to six cylinders in motorcycles and continue to be popular for light aircraft engines."

From a DIY'er aircraft site:"The basic layout of the engine block and cylinders is identical to that of the traditional aircraft engines in that they are horizontally opposed. The main difference being that the SUBARU is liquid-cooled and the others are cooled by air. Air cooled engines are forced to run within a large temperature range, making it necessary to provide large internal clearances. The SUBARU, being liquid cooled, maintain exact tolerances and tight clearances within the engine for efficient operation and long life. A thermostat provides stable engine temperatures not depending on power output, aircraft speed, outside temperature or altitude.

Subaru boxer engines have a "built-in" feature that contributes to enhanced engine life and reduction of unwanted airframe vibration. A Subaru based aircraft engine is inherently balanced. The pistons are opposite from one another and because of the engine’s unique firing order, vibration caused by the combustion process cancels before it can cause undue stress on reciprocating parts such as the crankshaft and its bearings."

Again Wiki: "Flat engines largely replaced the historically more popular radial engines in small aircraft after World War II because the radials, although they had good cooling, added large frontal area which caused too much drag."

So there is some connection between German and Japanese boxer engines and aircraft, but just not as I thought.
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