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Old 06-20-2012, 07:20 PM   #2476
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Lol Thanks for the reassurance. Any suggestions on diff oil?
What model/yr.?
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Old 06-21-2012, 01:32 AM   #2477
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What model/yr.?
it's going to be a 5 speed diff. remember this is the 5 speed cocktail thread...
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Old 06-22-2012, 01:16 AM   #2478
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it's going to be a 5 speed diff. remember this is the 5 speed cocktail thread...

nothing special for the r160......a quality 80w90 for street use is all good


if it is REALLY hot where you are all the time...say over 85*F/29*C...you could use a heavier oil in it...or just change the 80w90 more often
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Old 06-22-2012, 03:07 AM   #2479
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le - man, I am battin a thousand this week.

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it's going to be a 5 speed diff. remember this is the 5 speed cocktail thread...
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Old 06-22-2012, 04:00 AM   #2480
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Can we get a sticky that lists the most current cocktail?

That way Uncle Scotty can update it and keep it current, rather than having to read 100 pages to find out what the 'right' mix is.

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Old 06-22-2012, 06:17 AM   #2481
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Can we get a sticky that lists the most current cocktail?

That way Uncle Scotty can update it and keep it current, rather than having to read 100 pages to find out what the 'right' mix is.

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what???

are you KIDDING???

they are more likely to post a stickie of the guys who have posted uoa's of the cocktail that was used in an old worn out transmission with 241,000 miles on it...or those idiots who made a big deal about it sepearting after months and months....or those who claim that it eats little children for breakfast....or other crazy, stupid ****
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Old 07-19-2012, 04:12 AM   #2482
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scotty what are your thoughts on redlines NS 75-90 GL5&6? (what redline make that is closest to the subaru OEM fill)?

and is it worth combining it with heavyweight or something?
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Old 07-21-2012, 03:53 AM   #2483
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scotty what are your thoughts on redlines NS 75-90 GL5&6? (what redline make that is closest to the subaru OEM fill)?

and is it worth combining it with heavyweight or something?

poor to very bad results have been posted
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Old 07-22-2012, 09:57 AM   #2484
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damn that's a shame. worse than the oem fill?

there also seems to be some conflicting results in the andrewtech thread. there it's being said to stay away from heavyweight O_o

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Old 07-22-2012, 01:02 PM   #2485
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Why is it so hard to find something to put in my tranny that wont destroy it yet let it shift good! I'm not trying to stir the pot but the uncle scottys mixes that have been tested (some were not just tested on 200k+cars... There were a few 50 to 80k trannys that were in good shape) had insane iron content versus just using oem lube. Care to elaborate on this? All testing was done by a third party, so no bias. Something is clearly not right if a lube is increasing gear wear.
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Old 07-22-2012, 09:58 PM   #2486
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Why is it so hard to find something to put in my tranny that wont destroy it yet let it shift good! I'm not trying to stir the pot but the uncle scottys mixes that have been tested (some were not just tested on 200k+cars... There were a few 50 to 80k trannys that were in good shape) had insane iron content versus just using oem lube. Care to elaborate on this? All testing was done by a third party, so no bias. Something is clearly not right if a lube is increasing gear wear.

i have had THOUSANDS of PM's and emails over the years

all but a VERY few have been positive

the high iron may NOT be gear wear and I know several cars that have used the cocktail for 150k+ miles and still going

NOTHING is gonna last forever
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Old 07-22-2012, 10:02 PM   #2487
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damn that's a shame. worse than the oem fill?

there also seems to be some conflicting results in the andrewtech thread. there it's being said to stay away from heavyweight O_o

the lightweight 'wears out' and I noticed an almost immediate improvement in shift action with the heavyweight version of the cocktail...even when at 20*F
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Old 07-23-2012, 10:36 PM   #2488
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i have had THOUSANDS of PM's and emails over the years

all but a VERY few have been positive

the high iron may NOT be gear wear and I know several cars that have used the cocktail for 150k+ miles and still going

NOTHING is gonna last forever
I understand that nothing last forever but 6 to 700 % more iron in just a 20k use? I think that seems obscene. I understand you get tons of PMs but what good does that do me? I don't see proof of them. I'm seriously just trying to fill my tranny with something decent and I'm doing my research.
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Old 07-26-2012, 02:41 PM   #2489
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scotty what are your thoughts on redlines NS 75-90 GL5&6? (what redline make that is closest to the subaru OEM fill)?

and is it worth combining it with heavyweight or something?
75W90NS by itself was the worst fill my tranny ever had. Before people knew what to do with these transmissions, this was the "recommended" fill by a lot of people... vendors, Redline, etc... Recommended by people who read spec sheets and never drove the Subaru 5MT with that kind of fill. This is one of the main reasons people started looking for other solutions... the spec sheet recommendations did not work. If the typical recommended gear oil made the Subaru 5MT a happy shifting tranny, then nobody would have even tried cocktails, they would have just used the GL5 oils that everyone who doesn't drive these transmissions recommends. There would have been no reason to start looking at anything else.

Before the cocktail was invented, I tried 75W90NS alone and 75W90 plus shockproof it was alright, but synchromesh does help.

In my experience, the oil used in the 2 quarts of the cocktail are not particularly critical. IMO 1 qt. and ~0.5 qt. synchromesh are the critical components and the rest can be just about any decent gear oil.

<--- 180k on a "glass" 02 WRX tranny with an 18G@22psi on E85. The cocktail works.

It won't eat your tranny from the inside out. I've had shockproof in my tranny for all but the first ~20-25k miles, which is about 10 years in total. If a tranny was gonna get slowly weakened by shockproof, it would be mine. I'd think that my power / torque levels would also result in quite the spectacular failure if it did weaken things in there.

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Old 07-27-2012, 11:47 AM   #2490
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so i just tried a 1 heavyweight, 1 hypoid and 1.5 75-90 nulon full synth cocktail in our 09.

feels bloody fantastic.
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Old 07-27-2012, 04:15 PM   #2491
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so i just tried a 1 heavyweight, 1 hypoid and 1.5 75-90 nulon full synth cocktail in our 09.

feels bloody fantastic.
09 != 02
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no ****?

not sure what you're trying to say here?

(though iirc the 5 speeds are virtually unchanged since like 87 or something...)
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Old 07-27-2012, 09:29 PM   #2493
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no ****?

not sure what you're trying to say here?

(though iirc the 5 speeds are virtually unchanged since like 87 or something...)
what is good for the 07+ may not be good fot the others
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so i just tried a 1 heavyweight, 1 hypoid and 1.5 75-90 nulon full synth cocktail in our 09.

feels bloody fantastic.
see how it feels after 2k- 3k km....it may change and get crunchy...that is symptom of the wrong fluid

it grinds when it warms up...usually into 1st and on the 3-4 shift
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Old 07-27-2012, 11:44 PM   #2495
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see how it feels after 2k- 3k km....it may change and get crunchy...that is symptom of the wrong fluid

it grinds when it warms up...usually into 1st and on the 3-4 shift
yep that's exactly my old symptoms on my 03.

i'll keep it in mind though - can always do another one without the hypoid pretty easily. unless you recommend something different for the 09's?
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Old 07-28-2012, 12:51 AM   #2496
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My all LW Shockproof fill was perfect at first. But now, I get some 'kickback' from slow 2-3 shifts. If I shift quickly, it 'seems' fine or I don't notice a clash.
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Old 07-28-2012, 03:35 AM   #2497
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yep that's exactly my old symptoms on my 03.

i'll keep it in mind though - can always do another one without the hypoid pretty easily. unless you recommend something different for the 09's?

the reason it does that is NOT the 'hypoid'....it is whatever syn lube you used....the 'nulon full synth'


the 'syn' is the issue in these transmissions....too slick for the synchros...they dont spin down fast enough and clash
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the reason it does that is NOT the 'hypoid'....it is whatever syn lube you used....the 'nulon full synth'


the 'syn' is the issue in these transmissions....too slick for the synchros...they dont spin down fast enough and clash
you said to just add 1L of heavyweight to the gear 300 i had though?
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Old 07-28-2012, 06:16 AM   #2499
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you said to just add 1L of heavyweight to the gear 300 i had though?
the gear 300 is DIFFERENT

and lets NOT mix up our metaphores here....or our products

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Tried the cocktail to get ready of a nasty little 4th gear grind. Worked liked a charm and has been good for the last 3 weeks.

Thanks, Scotty!
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