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Old 08-10-2012, 01:26 PM   #101
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Old 08-10-2012, 02:24 PM   #102
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Interesting about the 6,500rpm redline. They could throw everyone a curve ball and only equip the 4-cyl Ecoboost model with an IRS and still offer the solid axle on the V8 models.
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Could be. It's starting to look like a 4-cyl EcoBoost, naturally aspirated 6-cylinder (hopefully DI), and 5.0 with DI for the 2015 lineup. That would be my best guess. If they can improve the mpg for city driving in the GT with DI, that would be great. 16mpg is a little low for me since I probably do 70/30 city/highway driving.
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Old 08-11-2012, 12:08 AM   #104
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Could be. It's starting to look like a 4-cyl EcoBoost, naturally aspirated 6-cylinder (hopefully DI), and 5.0 with DI for the 2015 lineup. That would be my best guess. If they can improve the mpg for city driving in the GT with DI, that would be great. 16mpg is a little low for me since I probably do 70/30 city/highway driving.
I wonder if they'd really do a 4-cyl EcoBoost *and* the NA 6. They're really shooting for the same demographic there.
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Old 08-11-2012, 01:43 PM   #105
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I wonder if they'd really do a 4-cyl EcoBoost *and* the NA 6. They're really shooting for the same demographic there.
Yeah I figured they would rather do an Ecoboost V6 instead, but everything I'm reading says their bringing back the n/a V6 and the 5.0 because they're both so new, but I guess we'll see.
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Old 08-11-2012, 03:42 PM   #106
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The question is, will this Ecoboost engine be developed in-house using the side injection system for the 3.5, or will it be an FEV-developed (outsourced) engine like the 1.6 and 1.0? Those engines have center-mounted multi hole injectors like current BMW engines.
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Old 08-11-2012, 03:52 PM   #107
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Haven't they already used a 2.0L Ecoboost 4-cylinder in the Taurus family? I figure they'd use a RWD version of that.
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Old 08-11-2012, 06:38 PM   #108
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wont happen..
What, exactly, are you saying won't happen? Offering a solid rear and an IRS for different models of one car, or the 4-cylinder EcoBoost going into a Mustang?

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Haven't they already used a 2.0L Ecoboost 4-cylinder in the Taurus family? I figure they'd use a RWD version of that.
They have a 237bhp 2.0 EcoBoost for the Taurus and a 252bhp one for the Focus ST. The Focus RS (late 2013 or 2014) is going to have one that makes 305bhp so I would imagine that is what the one in the Mustang would make. That's why the n/a V6 doesn't really fit in the lineup anymore unless they gave it DI and it bumped the power and mpg significantly.
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I wonder if they'd really do a 4-cyl EcoBoost *and* the NA 6. They're really shooting for the same demographic there.
Not in the least. A 4cyl turbo RWD IRS car would be welcomed by the tuner community. A V6 RWD would be the secretary car with the V8 being there for the gotta have power, no replacement for displacement mullet heads.
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That's why the n/a V6 doesn't really fit in the lineup anymore unless they gave it DI and it bumped the power and mpg significantly.
Considering that the 3.7L V6 isn't exactly the torquiest thing, the turbo 4 seems like a pretty viable option.


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Not in the least. A 4cyl turbo RWD IRS car would be welcomed by the tuner community. A V6 RWD would be the secretary car with the V8 being there for the gotta have power, no replacement for displacement mullet heads.
I've built Mustang setups that make considerably less sense than that, so I'd definitely be interested (assuming it's smaller than the current model and they don't screw it up with more retro stuff).
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Old 08-12-2012, 11:24 AM   #111
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Interesting thread







This is most certainly not a 4 cylinder.
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That is very "production" like finishing there
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Old 08-12-2012, 01:35 PM   #113
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Since the Ecoboost V6 is selling well in the F150s... .
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Old 08-12-2012, 05:47 PM   #114
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Not in the least. A 4cyl turbo RWD IRS car would be welcomed by the tuner community. A V6 RWD would be the secretary car with the V8 being there for the gotta have power, no replacement for displacement mullet heads.
You obviously have never driven a car with a larger engine. Add a blower to a v8 and there are no 4cylinders that will keep up turbo or not. The new 5.0 with a modern suspension will be hard for most cars, even expensive German cars to deal with. An STI would have to undergo a major diet and or HP upgrade to compete. It is already much slower over the course ad a lap with the mustang using a buggy suspension.
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Old 08-12-2012, 11:18 PM   #115
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You obviously have never driven a car with a larger engine. Add a blower to a v8 and there are no 4cylinders that will keep up turbo or not.
I wouldn't go that far...
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Old 08-13-2012, 01:09 PM   #116
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Also that interior looks amazing! I'm VERY thankful they took the wheel from the new focus.. that old wheel was HORRID.
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Old 08-13-2012, 01:17 PM   #117
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Not in the least. A 4cyl turbo RWD IRS car would be welcomed by the tuner community. A V6 RWD would be the secretary car with the V8 being there for the gotta have power, no replacement for displacement mullet heads.
Say what you want, but there a lot of (older) people that would not buy a muscle car without a V8.

Anyone remember the Mustang/Probe debacle back in the early 90s when Ford wanted what became the Probe to become the next generation Mustang? That's what you'll see here.
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Old 08-13-2012, 01:41 PM   #118
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Not really. when youre talking american v8 world at least. the GTO ruled in the 3 short years of its production and it was like 37xx lbs IIRC. If they could get the v8 verison mustang in the 3300 area, which is corvette land, while still keeping the backseat, that would be phenomenal.

You have to remember, these v8's when boosted, make mid 500's to low 600's easily on pump 93; ON STOCK INTERNALS. put in race fuel hello 700+rwhp. thats gross.
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Keep the silly stripe on the bottom and the 3 + 3 taillights. Make everything else new.

Not that any of these opinions matter since it's going to probably still look like the retro car.
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"Heritage" issues are a modern thing. There were several generations of Mustangs that didn't look like anything old. There's no reason for them to stick with the retro look when the fad is fading quickly.

I have no problem with the Aston Martin looks they are going with lately (for example, Ford Fusion).

Ford has already said the next Mustang is going to be smaller, lighter and will not be as retro so that it can be better marketed as a "world car". It's also been said that all future Ford cars will borrow heavily from the Evos concept. This rendering just puts two and two together.

I nearly pulled the trigger on a 2012 Mustang GT and I'd still consider one, but I tell you, if the 2015 Mustang looks anything like the above, I will be getting one.
Looking back though through recent (kind of) history, the Mustang with its retro looks took all the sale's while the GTO (non retro looks) and dominating performance didn't sell. I blame it on the "traditionalist's" who said it don't look like a "GTO"..I have an 05 GTO with Turbo's 7lbs boost and 573rwhp stock internals.
While we may like and want our cars to be performance cars, we unfortunately are the minority and the majority only care about looks, navigation and automatic transmissions..
Now if I could only afford to make my STI put down 480whp and buy myself a 4X4 Duramax crewcab...
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Old 08-13-2012, 09:51 PM   #119
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I wouldn't go that far...
Mod for mod...no way. Not in acceleration anyway. It is a bigger lump, I will give you that. So, you have to know what you are doing with chassis set up but you look at the fast laps etc, it is not 4 bangers with turbos laying down the fast times. 4 cylinders blown can make you competitive and may be faster on an autocross track. On a road course, you really have to make up time in the corners. Without a significant wieght advantage or downforce, just not going to beat out Hp unless the other driver is just that much slower than you.
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Old 08-24-2012, 09:52 AM   #120
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Maybe I just haven't read about this yet, but apparently there are new EcoBoost V6s coming out. Code-named "Nano", this could be the 6-cylinder option for the 2015 Mustang. It would give it roughly the same power as the current V6 (or maybe slightly higher) but better efficiency and it wouldn't step on the GT's toes. Not to mention, it wouldn't be hard to get an EcoBoost V6 to 400bhp with some aftermarket tuning/parts.

Is Ford Working on a New EcoBoost for the Mustang?

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We don't get much Mustang news from the folks at PickupTrucks.com but according to an insider source of theirs, Ford is currently working on a pair of new EcoBoost V6 engines that may find their way under the hood of the Ford F Series and the Ford Mustang. These new engines are expected to measure 3.0 and either 2.6 or 2.7L, and while little is known about the new EcoBoost engines currently wearing the code name "Nano", rumors suggest that the EcoBoost 3.0 could make between 300 and 315 horsepower.

If these rumors prove to be true, the Nano EcoBoost V6 destined for the Mustang would most likely replace the Duratec 37 currently serving as the engine level engine for the 2011 Mustang. This engine offers best in class fuel economy of 31 miles per gallon while also packing 305 horsepower - making it one of the most efficient and powerful entry level Mustangs of all time.

The problem (if you want to call it a problem) is that the new CAFE standards introduced last week by President Obama require automakers to get at least 39 miles per gallon across their lineup of cars. To be clear, that means that each vehicle doesn't need to hit 39mpg, but instead, all of the cars offered by a given brand will have to average out to 39mpg.

The good news is that Ford's bestselling vehicles are also their most efficient, with models like the fuel friendly Ford Fusion leading the way. Also, Ford has made incredible strides in the area of fuel economy without compromising performance with the newest engine lineup - with the 3.7L V6 and the 5.0L V8 comprising the most fuel efficient Mustang lineup of all time.

However, while the 2011 Mustang offering 31mpg in the V6 and 26mpg from the V8 will likely be "picked up" by the more fuel efficient models - if Ford can find a way to make similar power to the current engines, or add power, it is something that they will pursue.

Enter the EcoBoost.

Ford has shown with the new Ford Taurus SHO and the Ford F150 EcoBoost that a small engine with direct injection and turbocharging technology can offer just as much reliable power while improving on the fuel economy categories, with the 3.5L EcoBoost engine in those two models offering 365 horsepower and torque ranging as high as 420lb-ft in the F150. If the new EcoBoost 3.0 is expected to make between 300-315hp it should effectively replace the Duratec 37 that currently stands as the entry level engine. And thanks to the use of forced induction and direct injection, this new engine should also be able to achieve better than the 31mpg offered by the current 3.7L V6.

Also, the Nano EcoBoost engines are rumored to use Ford's new dual stage turbocharging system that uses a pair of turbos - one large and one small - to help low end power without turbo lag while also offering tons of top end power. A small turbocharger will spool quickly to low end torque without the cost of turbo lag and the second, larger turbo will kick in at high RPMs to bolster the top end grunt.

We should know more about the upcoming engines as we get into auto show season starting later this year!

So, what do you think? Is Ford moving in the right direction here? Or is bigger always better? Voice your opinion here!
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^ This is interesting indeed!!! Good find!!
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Old 08-24-2012, 01:50 PM   #122
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EcoBoost numbering is starting to sound like Android OS numbering
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Say what you want, but there a lot of (older) people that would not buy a muscle car without a V8.
Absolutely. The V8 sound is a very important part of the whole package. It'd be kinda like getting a WRX without the boxer rumble. You lose a part of the personality of the car. What Ford needs for the Mustang is an all V8 lineup . A tiny little V8 for fuel efficiency, which would still make most of the right sounds, and then a big V8 for those who want more oomph, and then a blown V8 for the guys who want to go retarded fast.
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Absolutely. The V8 sound is a very important part of the whole package. It'd be kinda like getting a WRX without the boxer rumble. You lose a part of the personality of the car. What Ford needs for the Mustang is an all V8 lineup . A tiny little V8 for fuel efficiency, which would still make most of the right sounds, and then a big V8 for those who want more oomph, and then a blown V8 for the guys who want to go retarded fast.
I don't think there's much of a point in making an all V-8 lineup when the entry level Mustang V-6 accounts for a bigger portion of sales. There's no point in developing multiple V-8s with different priorities, especially when it's not as if it would be cheap for them to go out of their way to develop a smaller displacement V-8 just for the sake of having a V-8 exhaust note when it realistically won't have the balance of power and fuel economy of the existing V-6 (or the EcoBoost V-6s). If those old people want V-8s, then they have to pay more for the higher-end variants above base model and will have to give up gas mileage.
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Absolutely. The V8 sound is a very important part of the whole package. It'd be kinda like getting a WRX without the boxer rumble. You lose a part of the personality of the car. What Ford needs for the Mustang is an all V8 lineup . A tiny little V8 for fuel efficiency, which would still make most of the right sounds, and then a big V8 for those who want more oomph, and then a blown V8 for the guys who want to go retarded fast.
part of the issue that Ford faces is the demographic market for that is shrinking fast. If Ford wants to keep the Mustang Family allive they need to tap into the younger market. They already are with the ST models, but that doesn't translate well for the Mustang name plate.
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