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Old 08-04-2012, 09:07 AM   #1
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Default just test drove 2013 2.5i 6mt, & it's pathetically slow!

Every gear is tall. They eliminated the e-brake handle and replaced it with a button. i thought the car would be zippy being a manual and with six gears. I felt like i was drivinh a boxed work truck instead. Why even offer a manual like this?

I am so dissapointed. Subaru lost its way. The xt model should be offered with stick shift.
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Old 08-06-2012, 10:54 AM   #2
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E brake switched in 2010, and they don't offer an XT model anymore (IIRC).

I like the OB for what it is, but would not buy a manual one of this gen.
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Old 08-09-2012, 09:41 PM   #3
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How was the handling once you got it moving?
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Old 08-09-2012, 09:45 PM   #4
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How was the handling once you got it moving?
it was surprising. the handling was quite stiff. i prefer a softer ride on a family vehicle in general. but what was ackward to me was that it was a fairly stiff ride and severly under-powered at the same time. it almost wanted to be sporty but without any pep to the acceleration. i would not mind the stiffened suspension if it had some power with the manual transmission.
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Old 08-10-2012, 09:45 AM   #5
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I just bought my wife a 2013 2.5 CVT Outback and will attest that it doesn't have the greatest pick up in the world. Fortunately I have my WRX to take care of that problem and I don't necessarily need my wife breaking land speed records anyway. Still driveable in my opinion. If it was my car, I would have a different opinion of that but for what it's worth it'll still merge nicely into swiftly moving traffic.

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The CVT transmission is interesting to get used to. Seems like it's unnecessarily revving at 3K RPMs sometimes when I feel it should be up a gear but I guess that's just the nature of the beast. I'll probably end up driving in the manual mode if I ever drive it just to at least have some fun in what's a pretty boring car in my personal opinion.

Suspension is noticeably stiffened from past Outbacks I've been in but still forgiving. I agree with SpeedShift that the suspension was more "sport tuned" than what the rest of the car has to offer but it is nice for cornering. A lot less roll than I would have expected from such a large car. Not real bouncy and takes bumps well.

I guess I'm just happy she's got a car with a lot of nice comfort features. She's not the best driver in the world so the reverse camera in the rear view mirror is a welcomed option. Lots of room for road trips with our 70lb dog.

In hindsight, I wish I would have at least taken the 3.6 for a drive to see what that felt like. My wife doesn't need that though so it didn't even cross my mind at the time.
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Old 08-11-2012, 12:52 AM   #6
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What were you expecting? It's an N/A 2.5 H4 with 175hp that has to move a 4,000+ vehicle the size of the last generation Ford Explorer? Just because it was a six speed wasn't going to make it faster...
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Old 08-11-2012, 02:05 PM   #7
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What were you expecting? It's an N/A 2.5 H4 with 175hp that has to move a 4,000+ vehicle the size of the last generation Ford Explorer? Just because it was a six speed wasn't going to make it faster...
it only weighs 3,400 pounds. about the same as my wife's 03 legacy automatic. i was expecting short gears from 1-3 to get it through the rpm band quickly but instead it was taking it's time climbing the rpm's. the engine was quite loud as well thanks to the switch from a belt to a timing chain.
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Old 08-14-2012, 06:33 PM   #8
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it only weighs 3,400 pounds. about the same as my wife's 03 legacy automatic. i was expecting short gears from 1-3 to get it through the rpm band quickly but instead it was taking it's time climbing the rpm's. the engine was quite loud as well thanks to the switch from a belt to a timing chain.
I've driven a CVT one and it was slow too, but it got awesome mileage so that's probably got something to do with it. It could be geared more towards MPG's than being fun to drive
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Old 08-14-2012, 07:10 PM   #9
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I've driven a CVT one and it was slow too, but it got awesome mileage so that's probably got something to do with it. It could be geared more towards MPG's than being fun to drive
i am sure. but it improves mpg by what, 1 mpg? not worth it imo. but whatever. i think subaru is out of touch right now. i traded the 03 legacy and went with a jetta sportwagen turbo diesel 6mt. really pained me to leave subaru.
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Old 08-15-2012, 08:08 AM   #10
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i am sure. but it improves mpg by what, 1 mpg? not worth it imo. but whatever. i think subaru is out of touch right now. i traded the 03 legacy and went with a jetta sportwagen turbo diesel 6mt. really pained me to leave subaru.
I don't blame you for going with a TDI though. If I had room in the budget for a second car I'd go turbo diesel as well. There are about 5 in our parking lot at work and they're all getting 45-50 mpg.
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Old 08-21-2012, 06:02 PM   #11
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I hope you got a good VW. If you are going to go VW, diesel is the only way to go. I had a 2011 Jetta TDI. Like my Impreza Sport 10x better. Was only getting 37MPG in the jetta. Never hit 40 once in the 6k miles I owned it.
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Old 08-26-2012, 11:35 PM   #12
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sorry to hear that it's such a dog. I'm really interested in a more fuel efficient family vehicle than my Tribeca, and was hoping to be able to get by with the smaller engine. There's no other vehicle that has Subie's AWD system.

Kinda' wish they could put BMW's 2.0T in there, or perhaps a diesel or hybrid. the Outback has got the right size chassis and AWD capability. Needs a better power plant.
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Old 08-27-2012, 04:47 PM   #13
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My wife has a 3.6R and we love it! Well worth the drop in fuel mileage. We went from an 07 Tahoe to this so 25 mpg is big change from 15 mpg. And it doesn't take premium.
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Old 08-28-2012, 07:51 PM   #14
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i am sure. but it improves mpg by what, 1 mpg? not worth it imo. but whatever. i think subaru is out of touch right now. i traded the 03 legacy and went with a jetta sportwagen turbo diesel 6mt. really pained me to leave subaru.
Ahh good choice but we're also talking about cars with different objectives in mind. Obviously you were looking for something more sporty but gets good mileage, a la old Legacy Wagon (Which they don't offer in the current Legacy lineup.). Can't offroad in a Jetta Wagon lol. BUT I will admit I was trying to get an 09' Jetta TDI but couldn't afford it . So the Impreza was the next best choice.

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I hope you got a good VW. If you are going to go VW, diesel is the only way to go. I had a 2011 Jetta TDI. Like my Impreza Sport 10x better. Was only getting 37MPG in the jetta. Never hit 40 once in the 6k miles I owned it.
Did you mean 60k or just 6k?? If it was just 6k it takes a little bit for cars to get maximum mileage. I couldn't crack 30mpg in the Impreza until after 15k or so.
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Old 09-13-2012, 12:35 PM   #15
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i'm a proud new owner for a 2013 OB 2.5cvt. i'm coming from a 2003 nissan 350z with more hp than i'll ever need. that being said, i think the 2.5 w/ cvt is decent for what it is. it gets going around town, and in my opinion, it isn't too sluggish on the hwy either. i have yet to take this on a long road trip but usually its just me and my gf so 2.5 is all i need for 80% of the time =)

myabe i'll look into finding ways to shed unnecessary when driving around town, such as removing the spare, maybe lighter wheels in the future, what else can i do?
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Old 10-12-2012, 03:31 PM   #16
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I have a 2012 Outback, and I wish it had a stiffer '13 suspension. Subaru had to upgrade it to solve the wandering issue: in even a light cross wind, it becomes a bear to keep in the lane on the highway. I'll be changing as much as possible on mine to the '13 spec (springs/shocks, rear sway bar)

I also have a problem with the too tall 1-3 gears, but not enough to do anything about it, I just deal. I was too chicken to get the CVT; I don't want to be on the hook for repairs after 100k miles. When they break, even Subaru has to send them back to Japan to figure out what's wrong (they just put a new one in).

I'll take 30 mpg highway in an AWD 3400lb car with enough room for 3-6 foot adults across the back when I'm driving (6"1).

With a family with 2 almost teenagers, this is the smallest rig we could fit in. I'd much rather be driving a new Impreza wagon, it's way better car all around.

If VW made a TDI Passat wagon for the US, that's what I'd be driving right now. The Jetta is too small, and too dangerous (if the fuel pump grenades, it takes out $8k worth of parts).
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Old 10-14-2012, 09:34 AM   #17
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2010+ oem sti 19mm rear sway bar bolts right in and makes a world of difference, so no need to change everything over to the 13' suspension stuff

I like my 12' outback, not the fastest but didnt buy this car for that purpose, but it has plenty power to drive around town and a ton of room.
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