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Old 09-03-2012, 04:00 PM   #276
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Old 09-03-2012, 06:46 PM   #277
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FWIW, I got a nice extended, over 100 mile, drive in a BRZ last week outside Napa. It was pretty much what I thought it would be...a Miata like experience, but a little more tail happy. It was much better than the Mustang I had for the rest of the trip in the mountains and would make a decent weekend car. Personally, I wouldn't want it as a primary car, or for that matter a secondary car, as regularly I need more space. As a toy, it would be good, great with a few mods.

quentinberg007, I now think it would have lived up to its marketing and hype with better tires, brakes, and of course, a little more power. Before, I was skeptical, even of that.
If only there was some way to get new tires, brake pads, and power...
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Old 09-04-2012, 08:44 AM   #278
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If only there was some way to get new tires, brake pads, and power...
Which is why I won't spend $27K+ on a toy I have to spend more money on to make right.
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Old 09-04-2012, 09:10 AM   #279
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Which is why I won't spend $27K+ on a toy I have to spend more money on to make right.
Make it right for you. Most (not all) magazines have been happy with the stock performance of these cars.
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Old 09-04-2012, 09:13 AM   #280
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Which is why I won't spend $27K+ on a toy I have to spend more money on to make right.
All the things the car comes with why is it so hard to add a few more things? Its a beautiful car... i am about to drop 5k-7k in parts on my sti, not because it worth it, but its because i love the car and want to make it better. Modding is a culture, want to buy a car with everything, well your in the wrong bracket... you need to spend about 80k+ if you want a car that you wont have to or want to spend more money on.... but hey people still do it!
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Old 09-04-2012, 09:38 AM   #281
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Which is why I won't spend $27K+ on a toy I have to spend more money on to make right.
Then get the Scion version and spend the money saved on the Subaru to upgrade brakes, tires and make some power.
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Old 09-04-2012, 01:34 PM   #282
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Then get the Scion version and spend the money saved on the Subaru to upgrade brakes, tires and make some power.
That is actually a pretty decent way to think about it.

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Old 09-04-2012, 01:35 PM   #283
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FWIW, I got a nice extended, over 100 mile, drive in a BRZ last week outside Napa. It was pretty much what I thought it would be...
Dude, how did you get this opportunity?
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Old 09-04-2012, 01:56 PM   #284
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Either he knows a guy that knows a guy that knows a guy, or he's just actually old enough (and somehow nice enough) to have enough friends to where law of averages would dictate that SOMEONE around him would purchase a BRZ and also care about him enough to allow him to drive it.

Would I trust someone so ancient behind the wheel of my new sports car? No, but that's probably just me.

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Old 09-04-2012, 02:08 PM   #285
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Comon you morons. This is the test mule for the new WRX powertrain. A smart person (which most of you are not) would obviously see that the XV is the inspiration for the next generation WRX if not an actual 'release' of the WRX that you will see soon - only in baby **** brown.
A test mule whose weight, balance, suspension, and etc all just happen to be a very close match for the next WRX? The test mules for the BRZ were all frankensteins in order to simulate all of the above characteristics of the production BRZ. The hood scoop set up looks very much like pre-production runs of the scoop/splitter. Face it, the next WRX is going to be based on the current Impreza... Maybe some different body panels for fender flares and maybe more upgraded interior... But mules being what they are, this is very strong indicator the new WRX is based off the Impreza.
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Old 09-04-2012, 03:28 PM   #286
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Going out on a limb here, but could this not just be a mule for the turbo FB power train in general? For the impreza turbo models and the grossly underpowered xv perhaps?
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Edit: that was a pipe dream at best. Not sure what I was thinking.

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Old 09-04-2012, 05:14 PM   #289
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Make it right for you. Most (not all) magazines have been happy with the stock performance of these cars.
Nope, anything you do won't be covered by the warranty.

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All the things the car comes with why is it so hard to add a few more things? Its a beautiful car... i am about to drop 5k-7k in parts on my sti, not because it worth it, but its because i love the car and want to make it better. Modding is a culture, want to buy a car with everything, well your in the wrong bracket... you need to spend about 80k+ if you want a car that you wont have to or want to spend more money on.... but hey people still do it!
I modded when I was young, my first "tuned" 4 cylinder was in 1972, and the warranty thing.

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Then get the Scion version and spend the money saved on the Subaru to upgrade brakes, tires and make some power.
Nope, if I were to buy a toy for a weekend car, I want all the bells and whistles, plus I am very loyal to Subaru.


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Dude, how did you get this opportunity?
Age and wisdom young Skywalker... and friends who have money to play with.

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Either he knows a guy that knows a guy that knows a guy, or he's just actually old enough (and somehow nice enough) to have enough friends to where law of averages would dictate that SOMEONE around him would purchase a BRZ and also care about him enough to allow him to drive it.

Would I trust someone so ancient behind the wheel of my new sports car? No, but that's probably just me.
Yea, I probably wouldn't either, but some of my friends aren't as smart as you....
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Old 09-04-2012, 08:18 PM   #290
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Yea, I probably wouldn't either, but some of my friends aren't as smart as you....
HAHA! Such a good sport. Don't worry, I let a lot of people drive my WRX until I had to replace the clutch (first time ever in any car in my life). Although I trusted it wasn't abused and suspected it was faulty (it always stuck kinda funny), I stopped letting so many people drive it to lower the liability.

With my new car I might be nicer and let others drive it since it won't have a turbo or AWD. We shall see...
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Maybe Subaru's fooling all of us, and this is the turbo parallel hybrid in testing.
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I modded when I was young, my first "tuned" 4 cylinder was in 1972, and the warranty thing.
Ok? And what does that have to do with anything? Congrats your old and experienced, sorry the market doesnt change with your idealism.
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Ok? And what does that have to do with anything? Congrats your old and experienced, sorry the market doesnt change with your idealism.
If you want to say that I think Subaru could of built a better car the first time out is idealism, then okay.

Thanks for the congrats!
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Old 09-05-2012, 11:14 AM   #294
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Maybe Subaru's fooling all of us, and this is the turbo parallel hybrid in testing.

Very possible. Never even crossed my mind.
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I've wondered since the BRZ was officailly announced as a RWD coupe if some WRX development, engine, suspension parts, chassis, interiors, body designs, ect. could have been going on in conjunction with the BRZ, but so much attention was given to the BRZ that no one noticed. Of course, I am old and my mind wanders/wonders all the time.

Think about it. Since Toyota apparently put up most the development money, why not use it to develop parts that could be used in other models? Subaru has already said that without the BRZ a new WRX/STI couldn't happen. Maybe Subaru meant they now had more of their own R&D money available for WRX/STI development..

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... Subaru has already said that without the BRZ a new WRX/STI couldn't happen. Maybe Subaru meant they now had more of their own R&D money available for WRX/STI development..
I think the context was that if Subaru had to R&D BRZ entirely on their own, they wouldn't have R&D budget left for WRX/STI, in response to people wondering why Subaru didn't go it alone on the RWD coupe. If Subaru had to choose between developing a BRZ or continuing WRX/STI, they're going to choose WRX/STI. Having Toyota as a partner on the RWD coupe allowed them to do both things.

Maybe we're saying the same thing here.
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I've wondered since the BRZ was officailly announced as a RWD coupe if some WRX development, engine, suspension parts, chassis, interiors, body designs, ect. could have been going on in conjunction with the BRZ, but so much attention was given to the BRZ that no one noticed. Of course, I am old and my mind wanders/wonders all the time.

Think about it. Since Toyota apparently put up most the development money, why not use it to develop parts that could be used in other models? Subaru has already said that without the BRZ a new WRX/STI couldn't happen. Maybe Subaru meant they now had more of their own R&D money available for WRX/STI development..
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I think the context was that if Subaru had to R&D BRZ entirely on their own, they wouldn't have R&D budget left for WRX/STI, in response to people wondering why Subaru didn't go it alone on the RWD coupe. If Subaru had to choose between developing a BRZ or continuing WRX/STI, they're going to choose WRX/STI. Having Toyota as a partner on the RWD coupe allowed them to do both things.

Maybe we're saying the same thing here.

This is what I believe. I can NOT imagine Subaru giving up WRX/STI for anything like a BRZ.
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This is what I believe. I can NOT imagine Subaru giving up WRX/STI for anything like a BRZ.
I could, everyone is out to make money. If it came down to subaru making more money investing in other models by dropping the wrx and sti... than its a logical choice. Toyota did it long ago with the supra. Nissan also did it. Not saying they ever would, but i believe it boils down to what makes them money.
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I modded when I was young, my first "tuned" 4 cylinder was in 1972, and the warranty thing.
I'm not quite as wise as you, but I modded my first 4 cylinder when I was about 16 (interestingly, it was a horizontally opposed 4 cylinder, and I bet a lot of us not so young folk cut their teeth on a boxer before eventually ending with Subaru's version of the boxer), and that was more moons ago than I care to admit, but less moons than you have admitted to!

I'm certainly not as crazy as I used to be when it comes to modding, but I just can't leave well enough alone, but age has taught me how much I really 'need' to have fun and enjoy the drive, and I don't waste my time with the other crap.

I'm not quite sure why you put 'tuned' in quotes, I'd say the laptop tuning done today isn't quite the same as twiddling set screws on dual carbs so each bank of cylinders is running as close as possible to the same fuel mixture, that took talent, luck and a fair bit of hard lessons. tuning these days, well, it's more precise, and certainly the hard lessons are there to learn, but you don't have to be quite as lucky, or talented, just experienced and good with math.
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I'm not quite as wise as you, but I modded my first 4 cylinder when I was about 16 (interestingly, it was a horizontally opposed 4 cylinder, and I bet a lot of us not so young folk cut their teeth on a boxer before eventually ending with Subaru's version of the boxer), and that was more moons ago than I care to admit, but less moons than you have admitted to!

I'm certainly not as crazy as I used to be when it comes to modding, but I just can't leave well enough alone, but age has taught me how much I really 'need' to have fun and enjoy the drive, and I don't waste my time with the other crap.

I'm not quite sure why you put 'tuned' in quotes, I'd say the laptop tuning done today isn't quite the same as twiddling set screws on dual carbs so each bank of cylinders is running as close as possible to the same fuel mixture, that took talent, luck and a fair bit of hard lessons. tuning these days, well, it's more precise, and certainly the hard lessons are there to learn, but you don't have to be quite as lucky, or talented, just experienced and good with math.
Now that I think about it and you reminded me about it I did miss with a VW bug in the late sixties. I quoted tuned because that and modding are pretty much the same to me, but not to others. But you are right...sixties tuning and 2010 tuning are two different things.

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