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Old 09-04-2012, 02:25 PM   #276
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Sure you do. CQB. I have found that I use my back up sights more than my EOTech or scope because it's actually challenging.
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Old 09-04-2012, 07:27 PM   #277
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See on my main blaster I have an Eotech, PEQ and pop up Buis. If my Eotech dies, I'd use my peq before Buis. Faster and easier. Hell in cqb the peq is awesome.
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Old 09-04-2012, 08:40 PM   #278
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I was taught that PEQ/lasers were used for rapid target acquisition to aid, and not replace iron sights, which is why I don't use them. My eye naturally lines up with my iron sights, so I'm looking down them anyway and would rather be able to place my shots where I want them rather than in a general area.

I think it's just a personal preference thing. I've never been a big fan of laser sights, since, to me, they induce laziness and are not nearly as reliable when it comes to accuracy over a variety of distances.
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Old 09-04-2012, 09:39 PM   #279
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The only reason I would switch to my PEQ would be in CQB. The way my switches are set up, I can activate my laser before I can pop up my irons.

Irons are much more effective over a distance for sure.

With NVG however, PEQ for the win over anything
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Old 09-04-2012, 10:35 PM   #280
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I should have my new brake installed in the next week or two. The Form 3 cleared last week and should be at the Class 3 dealer this week. He'll get it properly indexed. Then it's Form 4 paperwork and lots of waiting
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Old 09-04-2012, 11:51 PM   #281
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Question, or your suggestion, either way..
I am looking to add a bolt action to my collection, but wanting to stay as close to $500 as i can.
Mossberg's have seem to caught my eye, 2 series in particular the 4x4 in a .308, or the MVP which only comes in a .223.
I have found a MVP local that i can get for ~$550+tax, but i can't find any 4x4 to see how they feel. The only 4x4 i can find is online for $330 but then you have to pay the transfer fee, etc.
My only hesitation with the MVP is that it is only a .223, and i am not sure how far out that round will be accurate and still lethal.
I am mainly getting this rifle for paper, 300yrd+, but would like to take it out if i do go decided to hunt.
Any opinions on either of theses 2 guns, or rounds?
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Old 09-04-2012, 11:59 PM   #282
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I was able to pick up a Ruger 338 Hawkeye for 399 back when CDNN had a deal on them. It's a great round without the kick of a magnum. Came with rings and while it does hurt if you sit at the range all day, it's a great rifle for hunting.
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Old 09-05-2012, 12:04 AM   #283
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If you're going to step up to hunt, I'd go with a 308. 223 is fine, but for anything larger than a coyote, you're stretching what the bullet will kill. It's not like war and hitting a person. 223 can kill something like a hog, but it's not the best for the job because it doesn't have the knock down power. And when you're talking bolt action without the ability of a semiauto to drop a ton of lead downrange to make up for mistakes, misses, etc., the larger round will get the job done better.

I've hit 300+ lb hogs with my 308 off my target and it's still dropped them enough to give me a second kill shot without rushing. I've also shot a hog with my AR, and I never found it because it took off running like a scalded ape.

308 is a great all purpose round, whether it's for pushing paper, long distance shooting (500yds to 800 without ridiculous optics), and hunting. There are better calibers for certain applications, certainly, but for my money, between the two I'd get a 308. You can always build AR later. AR308s are a different, much more expensive matter altogether.
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Old 09-05-2012, 12:13 AM   #284
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Dont really like ar's any way, I have an ak, lol. But the .223 is way cheaper then a .308.. and the MVP has the ability to take ar magazines.. But i do agree that the .308 is a better round, and all of my other rifles and pistols are all in the .30 cal range as well, lol
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223 is definitely cheaper than 308, no doubt. But it could be worse. I just tracked down some of the last 5.7x28mm ss198lf on the market at almost a dollar a round.

Damn Secret Service and their stupid contract decision to carry Five-Sevens are destroying the civilian market for ammo.

But I did just get 200 rounds of 50AE for less than $1.20 a bullet, and that is a phenomenal find, considering that most of it is $36 and up for 20 rounds.
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I would spend a little more or watch for a Savage, Stevens, or Remington to come up for sale locally or on Gunbroker. With the Mossy you're really limiting the options you have for aftermarket gear without requiring a smith. I regularly see Savage Model 10s going for right around $500 online, and a lot of those dealers offer free shipping. At that price the transfer fee is going to be less than local tax. There's also a TX gun trading forum (can't find the link right now) that has some decent prices, some of which have some aftermarket bits on them already.
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I would spend a little more or watch for a Savage, Stevens, or Remington to come up for sale locally or on Gunbroker. With the Mossy you're really limiting the options you have for aftermarket gear without requiring a smith. I regularly see Savage Model 10s going for right around $500 online, and a lot of those dealers offer free shipping. At that price the transfer fee is going to be less than local tax. There's also a TX gun trading forum (can't find the link right now) that has some decent prices, some of which have some aftermarket bits on them already.
Well, I have shot my friends Savage 7mm bolt action, it was ok but i didnt like the feel of the rifle in my arms. Then I have shot my other friends .308 Remington 700, it shot nice, but I don't like the looks of the rifle.
I like the looks of the mossberg 4x4 with the laminated stock, or the synthetic skeleton stock. It already has an adjustable trigger from 2-7lbs, 24" Free Floating Button Rifled Fluted Barrel with muzzle break, rail for sight, box magazine, recoil pad... I don't know what else it would need besides a scope..
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Old 09-06-2012, 11:30 AM   #289
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Sure you do. CQB. I have found that I use my back up sights more than my EOTech or scope because it's actually challenging.

Well, I need to find a new way to mount then. My fixed rings and scope now keep it where I can't get a view through the irons. When I had the Eo/Magnifier, I could swing out the magnifier and still catch the irons through the Eo view. Now, it's not lined up like that. This AR is more of a longer range gun, so I'm not *TOO* worried about it at the moment. I'm keeping my sights and all (since my front flip is my gas block) in case I figure out a different mounting solution for the Nikon.

And in all honesty, I do prefer shooting with irons for some reason. I'm pretty accurate with them, although the Eo is a tad bit faster for target acquisition.


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See on my main blaster I have an Eotech, PEQ and pop up Buis. If my Eotech dies, I'd use my peq before Buis. Faster and easier. Hell in cqb the peq is awesome.
My long barrel is no rocking just the Nikon and flip up fronts...need to figure out a solution to get the irons back going.

For my AR pistol, I was thinking of just using a Burris fast fire close to the front of the rail for targeting on that. It's too small for me to properly use irons, so I figure the forward mounted Burris and a laser would suffice. It's made for CQ while the above long barrel is my *ranged* AR.

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I was taught that PEQ/lasers were used for rapid target acquisition to aid, and not replace iron sights, which is why I don't use them. My eye naturally lines up with my iron sights, so I'm looking down them anyway and would rather be able to place my shots where I want them rather than in a general area.

I think it's just a personal preference thing. I've never been a big fan of laser sights, since, to me, they induce laziness and are not nearly as reliable when it comes to accuracy over a variety of distances.
This is true...lasers aren't a replacement, especially in rifle situations. But, just like you mentioned, they are there for CQ and rapid target acquisition. I wouldn't shine a laser more than 30 feet anyway...if you're shooting distance, last thing you want to do is give more indication of your position. My eye lines up with my irons on my rifles, but the AR pistol is just too awkward for proper iron alignment (even with me running a mil spec buffer tube).

I see the benefits of a laser in the right condition, but I don't consider it laziness...I consider it an advantage. If I bust in and someone is trying to shoot me, I'd rather be able to target and put them down faster. ****, I'd grenade the **** out of them if it was life or death


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The only reason I would switch to my PEQ would be in CQB. The way my switches are set up, I can activate my laser before I can pop up my irons.

Irons are much more effective over a distance for sure.

With NVG however, PEQ for the win over anything
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I like the looks of the mossberg 4x4 with the laminated stock, or the synthetic skeleton stock.
I think that's all you needed to say.
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If anyone is interseted in a High Capacity Magazine....

http://www.cabelas.com/product/Barga...0#productChart
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Then I have shot my other friends .308 Remington 700, it shot nice, but I don't like the looks of the rifle.
I like the looks of the mossberg 4x4 with the laminated stock, or the synthetic skeleton stock. It already has an adjustable trigger from 2-7lbs, 24" Free Floating Button Rifled Fluted Barrel with muzzle break, rail for sight, box magazine, recoil pad... I don't know what else it would need besides a scope..
thats when you take this...


and do this...


and spider pig is dead on if you want a bolt gun.. go .308
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Old 09-07-2012, 05:26 PM   #293
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With my dad's passing I am finding guns at the house every other day.

Got a:
Remington 700 - 308
Mossberg 395k Bolt Action 12ga
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I know nothing about guns so I am relying on friends to teach me cause there is no way I would get ride of them.
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Old 09-07-2012, 05:34 PM   #294
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Yeah that 700 is sweet.. def hang onto that one
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Old 09-07-2012, 05:38 PM   #295
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Going to try to. My grandfather gave it to my dad and told my mom he wants it back.
I know he won't shoot it, hoping if I tell him I will use it if it can stay.

That and my uncles are dicks. They would sell that **** if they had a chance. If anything I want it cause my dad has used it for all these years.
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That AICS chassis needs a can. And an Atlas.

Speaking of cans, I go fill out my Form 4 tonight!
And then wait for 6 months
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never mind... figured it out, duh!
but i couldnt see spending $1000 just on the stock.. its amazing i will say, but damn!

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never mind... figured it out, duh!
but i couldnt see spending $1000 just on the stock.. its amazing i will say, but damn!
The AICS folder is a great platform, but I think I prefer their new AX chassis. I was a fan of the Manners chassis before the AX and they're very similar. My Savage BA is an oddball, but somewhat close to the machined Whiskey 3 from KRG. However you can actually find some good take-offs from the guys upgrading to these online. Lots of solid McMillan's out there when they upgrade to an AICS. But you'd need a Remmy or Savage to buy those up without resorting to a lot of smith work to bed in the Mossy action. Again, if that's all you're looking for and you don't think you'll ever upgrade then the 4x4 will work just fine. From the reviews I've read it's just as accurate as the Remmy or Savage out of the box up to 500 yards.
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never mind... figured it out, duh!
but i couldnt see spending $1000 just on the stock.. its amazing i will say, but damn!
wasnt 1k it was 849... if that makes a difference...lol

i like it and yes im missing a can and atlas but it shoot damn good as it sits now..
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Guys just wondering but how hard is it to sell a firearm i own?
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