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Old 09-06-2012, 10:41 PM   #26
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Sez you?

Sport bike motors are often more durable than many cars/trucks. The point of my challenge is that the technology really isn't that different, and it's a fair comparison. Consider an S2k... they're durable, make no torque, and are pretty fast. I think I'd prefer a 'busa motor in a BRZ than what it comes with, honestly.
Nop, says the engineers. If not, then Kawasaki, Suzuki and others would have been king of sport cars these days.

If it was that easy, Ferrari and Lambo are so retarded... should have used a bike engine. pfff V12
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Old 09-06-2012, 10:57 PM   #27
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take a zx-14 motor and put it in a brz, it makes more peak power then the 2L but sure as hell it wont outperform it.
Ah, but if you put TWO ZX-14 motors...

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Old 09-07-2012, 12:14 AM   #28
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Nop, says the engineers. If not, then Kawasaki, Suzuki and others would have been king of sport cars these days.

If it was that easy, Ferrari and Lambo are so retarded... should have used a bike engine. pfff V12
Hartley does, both with the H1 V8, and the H2 I4. The mounting arrangement is the biggest conceptual difference in arrangement between an automotive and a motorcycle piston engine.



Hayabusa I4 cylinder block and head, on a car-oriented bottom end. End-mounted clutch, and no unitized gearbox case and clutch housing.

I want to see a V12 based on the new K1600GT BMW engine. Or a boxer-12...

Besides, cars have a whole mountain of additional costs and concerns. Bikes don't get federalized and crash tested the say cars do...

Yamaha has built car engines for Ford/Volvo, and tuned Toyota engines.

Suzuki builds road cars, but mostly economy and mainstream... not really a whole lot of automotive high performance, which they leave to their motorcycle lineup.

Similarly with Honda, although Honda does have automotive racing engine experience... they just don't have much for exciting cars right now.

BMW builds both. Audi now owns Ducati.

Otherwise motorcycle companies and car companies aren't really the same companies. Kawasaki builds power equipment and other small engines, rather than passenger automotive products.
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Old 09-07-2012, 12:51 AM   #29
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Ah, but if you put TWO ZX-14 motors...

Ahh now thats something I can deff agree with.
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Old 09-07-2012, 07:19 AM   #30
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Welcome to your new Obama mobile and 55mpg
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Old 09-07-2012, 10:50 AM   #31
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Welcome to your new Obama mobile and 55mpg
My gosh, yeas, only mean old Obama wants good gas mileage options! They have a 123hp version of this for sale, apart from some daft comments here about putting it in large cars, that is a good deal of power. It would work well in smaller (Fit, Fiesta, Mini... ) sized cars. So where's the problem?
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Old 09-07-2012, 11:41 AM   #32
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people who owns one? If so, they are stupid and have bought the wrong car!

and the rest who complains but never driven...go **** yourself, buy a Mustang
Every single ****ing review has said it needs more power. Get over yourself and your RWD Civic.
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Old 09-07-2012, 11:57 AM   #33
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Bike engines are not as durable or as fuel efficent as modern car engines of similar power (both peak and average operating).

There are good reasons why the auto industry has never moved towards tiny high reving engines for anything but supercars.
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Old 09-07-2012, 12:00 PM   #34
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people who owns one? If so, they are stupid and have bought the wrong car!

and the rest who complains but never driven...go **** yourself, buy a Mustang
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Old 09-07-2012, 12:22 PM   #35
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Thant thing looks fun.
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Old 09-07-2012, 02:43 PM   #36
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Why not?
Emissions requirements are more lenient for bikes and, as others have alluded, cars weigh a LOT more than bikes and therefore people demand a motor that produces some torque lower in the rev range.

Apples/oranges.
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Old 09-08-2012, 07:43 AM   #37
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The Ecoboost 1.0 is direct injected with all sorts of fuel economy technology on it... the oil pump is driven by a belt immersed in oil for example. I saw this engine at a conference here in Detroit; Ford basically outsourced its development to a German engineering company called FEV.

It's designed to meet Euro 6 emissions and requirements for passenger cars. That's totally different than a wound-out bike with lenient emissions standards that nobody expects to get 120 or 150k miles out of.
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A rubber belt in oil? Wow.. so neglectful owners that don't change their engine oil could severely shorten the life of their timing belt. I wouldn't want to buy a used car with that 'feature'.
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Old 09-08-2012, 10:39 AM   #39
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Engines are engines and they are designed/applied to suit their application. A bike engine will not go well on a car and vise-verse.

Viper bike and Busha Smart car

Gotta say it's cool tho.
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Old 09-08-2012, 03:05 PM   #40
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I wonder what would happen if Ford went nuts and started making their own version of the ariel atom.... Its the stuff dreams are made of (wow i need to go download the explorers movie...)
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Old 09-08-2012, 03:13 PM   #41
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Engines are engines and they are designed/applied to suit their application. A bike engine will not go well on a car and vise-verse.

Viper bike and Busha Smart car

Gotta say it's cool tho.
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Old 09-08-2012, 05:32 PM   #42
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A rubber belt in oil? Wow.. so neglectful owners that don't change their engine oil could severely shorten the life of their timing belt. I wouldn't want to buy a used car with that 'feature'.
Why do you think dirty oil would severely shorten the life of the belt? Any used car where the oil has been neglected is a bad idea, I expect the traditional moving engine bits would be more upset about poor oil than a belt.

I'm curious how or if the belt gets changed. This looks like a very clever engine, I hope it works out.
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Old 09-08-2012, 05:56 PM   #43
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A rubber belt in oil? Wow.. so neglectful owners that don't change their engine oil could severely shorten the life of their timing belt. I wouldn't want to buy a used car with that 'feature'.
There are materials that don't degrade when immersed in oil. I'm going to go out on a limb and assume the belt is made from one of these materials rather than rubber.

Also, nobody said it was the timing belt, the guy said the oil pump was driven by this belt.
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Old 10-04-2012, 02:02 AM   #45
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Ford has confirmed that it is considering a road-legal version of its Formula Ford race car. If given the green light, the Ariel Atom rival would be based on the 1.0L Formula Ford that recently lapped the Nurburgring in 7 minutes, 22 seconds.



A Ford spokesman confirmed to Autocar on the sidelines of the 2012 Paris Motor Show that it is seriously considering giving the production nod to the three-cylinder open wheeler. It was widely speculated that Ford was mulling a road-going version of the 1.0L race car as it made its track debut equipped with lights, a horn and even a speedometer.

If the Formula Ford ultimately comes to market, the one-seater will carry a price tag "under £50k", or about $80,000. The car will also be limited to a production run between 20 and 40 units.

The spokesman says discussions are moving “positively”, but no time frame was given for when a final ruling might be handed down.

Unfortunately for those living in the U.S., our rules and regulations will prevent the Formula Ford from ever being sold on these shores – assuming the car makes the transition to production.
Bahaha - I knew it was coming... Now if only someone would bring the car over to the states, we have the ariel here and on the road. Just bring it sans no motor like a kit car.
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Why make 20-40? If you're making them, make what the market would bear.
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Old 10-05-2012, 10:41 PM   #47
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I'd love to get behind the wheel of one of those. The front end looks a little funny but something that light would be a blast no matter what it looked like.
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Why make 20-40? If you're making them, make what the market would bear.
How many single seat $80,000 cars do you think the market will bear?
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Old 10-06-2012, 08:58 AM   #49
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Ask Ariel or Radical (maybe KTM), they've sold more than 40. Silly track toy/barely legal street cars have a niche, it's should be able to do more than 40 of these.
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The Atom and X-Bow are 2 seaters.
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