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Old 09-08-2012, 10:42 PM   #1
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Here's the story. Got this 05 STI with 63K miles on it that didn't start. I got it from a NJ Homicide detective that didn't have the time to troubleshoot. The car has the following mods:

- Perrin FMIC
- Perrin polka pickle turbo rebuilt <680miles on it
- 850cc injectors
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- Perrin sway bars, endlinks, lateral bars, subframing blah blah blah
*Should be perrin sponsered all the crap is from them

It had a Viper Alarm system installed, terribly I might add, hacked up the dash harness, but when said previous owner had it it was running no problem. I'm assuming over time it could have shorted something out.

Now I have it, so I say lets get to the troubleshooting. All grounds good? Check. Oh do you have new spark plugs? Yup. New coilpacks? Yup. New battery? Yup. Still have crank but no spark? Yup. Tested the pinouts 18-21 on B137 to ECU which is the ignition pinouts. Got ZERO voltage across all 4 while the car was "on." Pulled the coilpack, cranked it, got no spark.

I hear the fuel pump primed, I feel the fuel relays in the passenger side kick panel clicking. When I put in the key, the security light shuts off, so it's not the immobilizer. So, now that I'm really just wanting this car to work I say lets get a new full harness from front to back. Replace whatever shorted, or open circuit to the ignition and start from known good.

After a week, I find an 05 STI harness front to back out of a rollover, unmolested with less than 20k. Check. Then I find an 06 STI ignition, immobilizer, ECU, and keys all from the same car so each item is programmed to match. Check.

7 hours later on Labor day monday, everything is installed. Plug up everything that needs to be plugged. Battery hooked up, check. Put in the key, uh oh! Crank but no start. Like seriously? $1000 and some odd change later and about 20 hours of work total put in and this is what I get?

Call up a few shops, obviously they can't tell me whats up over the phone they have "look" at it aka take $125/hour to do the exact same thing I did and tell me "i have no clue" isn't really too much of an option. If I knew someone is fully capable I.E. not a 22 year old kid that failed out of college and has done 1 WRX swap into a $300 RS in his mom's garage, could give me a legitimate answer as to what the issue is. I'll gladly pay for someone to do that. What's your experience? Have you dealt with issues like this in the past? It doesn't really make me feel comfortable knowing that said shop I called that's highly reputable tell me "you can bring it here, but we might not find what the problem is." ok, so how about i tow my STI an hour and a half and pay $125/hour to be told "i don't know."

Has anyone run into this issue? What can I do? What can be my options? I feel like my only option is to say, anyone want an STI with crank but doesn't start for $15k?

Drop me your 2 cents.

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- Not immobilizer
- Not fuel
- Not ICU (I swapped 2 out)
- Not spark plugs (2 new sets in and out)
- Not coil packs (brand new)
- Not fuel (fuel pump works)
- Not harness (put in known good already)
- Not ign, ECU, or keys (b/c they are all programmed to match)
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Old 09-08-2012, 10:50 PM   #2
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Don't wanna be a D-Bag, but if everything checks out as you say the car SHOULD start...SHOULD being the operative word...Maybe you should let the 22 year old drop out look at it...

Good luck Bud. You are gonna need it.
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Old 09-08-2012, 11:15 PM   #3
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Thx I think I'm bringing to gtspec my long time friend there recommends this guy they just hired for electrical installs. If no dice then off to the junk yard...I'm just truly fed up
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Old 09-08-2012, 11:17 PM   #4
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Check that hack viper install. Stop throwing parts at it, even a 22 year old college drop out can tell you that (me). Ass hat.
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Old 09-09-2012, 12:04 AM   #5
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You can't really fault the shop for not promising that they can fix it. You're basically just asking them to look for a needle in a haystack. I'm sure that once the problems are found it will take 5 minutes to fix them, but finding the problems has already taken you many hours and it's going to take them many hours too, and they have bills to pay.

Are you still getting no spark?

Have you ruled out engine block grounding issues?

I'd remove the alarm completely, if you haven't already.

Is the check-engine light lit? If so, what are the codes?

There's probably a way to test the signals going from the ECU to the coil packs, but I don't know what it is. But if you can find a way, then that would at least tell you whether the problem is between the ECU and the packs, or if the ECU is holding back because it's not getting some other signal that it considers essential.

EDIT: like a cam or crank angle/position sensor, for example... though I'd expect those to trigger a CEL with an explanatory code.

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Old 09-09-2012, 12:08 AM   #6
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So you buy a car that doesn't work then get mad about a "22 year old drop out" blah blah blah?
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Old 09-09-2012, 12:10 AM   #7
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it's gotta be related to the Viper. you even said yourself that it may have shorted something out along the way.
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Old 09-09-2012, 12:18 AM   #8
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Yeah I removed it already. Hopefully the guy at gtspec can figure it out. No codes. No cel's. The pinouts I mentioned were the ignition pinouts to the coilpacks cam sensor is tested and good. And for the "cool guy" already chiming in, I don't need it ya douche bag looking for intelligent input not yours.
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Old 09-09-2012, 12:20 AM   #9
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So you buy a car that doesn't work then get mad about a "22 year old drop out" blah blah blah?
Whatever

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Old 09-09-2012, 12:31 AM   #10
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Check that hack viper install. Stop throwing parts at it, even a 22 year old college drop out can tell you that (me). Ass hat.
Already removed it why would I still have it if I said I replaced it with a new unmolested harness you should read first before replying
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Old 09-09-2012, 12:52 AM   #11
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Hey Dean. I get that you are frustrated. If I were in your shoes, I would be too. Even though it might not seem like it, most of the guys on NASIOC are on your side. You are on the right track for now. Just pay attention to what makes sense and ignore the guys chiming in with their "ass hat" two cents.

Again good luck Bud. You really are going to need it.
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Old 09-09-2012, 01:03 AM   #12
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Thanks. I don't want to get out of the game but between the amount of money I've put in including in the past on other subarus and my girl bugging me for a ring I dunno if this hobby is going to win
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Old 09-09-2012, 01:05 AM   #13
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Thanks. I don't want to get out of the game but between the amount of money I've put in including in the past on other subarus and my girl bugging me for a ring I dunno if this hobby is going to win
but without the Sti, how will you enjoy the drive to get her ring??
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Old 09-09-2012, 01:37 AM   #14
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I have troubleshooted a motor with similar issues, it would crank, but it wouldn't fire up. If it were me I would make sure your engine ground checks out, and most importantly, check your engine timing; if its off even by just a little bit the motor wont start.

Good luck dude, don't want to see you get rid of such a great car!
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Old 09-09-2012, 03:19 AM   #15
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sell the car....take whatever you can get for it as it is beyond you and what you can do with it
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Old 09-09-2012, 03:54 AM   #16
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Im not a genius with this stuff but this happen to my friends 300zx and it was a grounding issue. After reading every post it seems that you've done a **** load of work so no point in just giving up now. Look for small stupid **** because that's always what it comes down to. I would suggest getting a diagram of all grounds in the engine bay and running through them
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Old 09-09-2012, 09:20 AM   #17
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Trade for my vf43'd bugeye... I love headaches and she runs like a champ

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Old 09-09-2012, 09:56 AM   #18
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"Here's the story. Got this 05 STI with 63K miles on it that didn't start. I got it from a NJ Homicide detective that didn't have the time to troubleshoot."

well here's your problem
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Old 09-09-2012, 10:33 AM   #19
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"Here's the story. Got this 05 STI with 63K miles on it that didn't start. I got it from a NJ Homicide detective that didn't have the time to troubleshoot."

well here's your problem
How does this help smart guy?
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Old 09-09-2012, 10:34 AM   #20
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Trade for my vf43'd bugeye... I love headaches and she runs like a champ
I would but it'd be another Subaru. Got a 05 up Nissan Titan laying around?
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Old 09-09-2012, 11:16 AM   #21
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sell the car....take whatever you can get for it as it is beyond you and what you can do with it
+1. At think I was 21-22 when I did a full sti drivetrain swap, did a few viper system install(remote start, new keyless, window up/down bottom, etc), did cluster swaps wiring, wiring for new sensor, ic spray, hardwired radar detector and bunch other things.

Willing to bet their a lot more 22yr olds out there that know a ton more than you do when it comes to this stuff. So wouldn't start a thread criticizing them.

You have 2 choices.
1. Suck it up and pay a "professional shop" to troubleshoot it(most shop work that I have seen including dealerships in my area are a joke. Only a few shops local I trust). Going to guess for them to remove components, test out the viper system might come out to about 5-10hrs work all said and done.

2. Since your a lot wiser than those damn kids in their 20s. Start testing everything yourself. Remove the viper system and anything else the car might have related, return it to oem and go from there.
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I'm sure he said he swapped in a new wire harness and removed the viper alarm
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Old 09-09-2012, 11:53 AM   #23
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+1. At think I was 21-22 when I did a full sti drivetrain swap, did a few viper system install(remote start, new keyless, window up/down bottom, etc), did cluster swaps wiring, wiring for new sensor, ic spray, hardwired radar detector and bunch other things.

Willing to bet their a lot more 22yr olds out there that know a ton more than you do when it comes to this stuff. So wouldn't start a thread criticizing them.

You have 2 choices.
1. Suck it up and pay a "professional shop" to troubleshoot it(most shop work that I have seen including dealerships in my area are a joke. Only a few shops local I trust). Going to guess for them to remove components, test out the viper system might come out to about 5-10hrs work all said and done.

2. Since your a lot wiser than those damn kids in their 20s. Start testing everything yourself. Remove the viper system and anything else the car might have related, return it to oem and go from there.
Already removed Viper system as previously stated I replaced the original harness with Viper system to a unmolested harness. All I'm saying is if you have a good background in this stuff I'd like to know. Someone more seasoned than a 22 year old kid. Get my point yet? But thanks for your insight informing me of things I already known and done, thanks.
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Thanks. I don't want to get out of the game but between the amount of money I've put in including in the past on other subarus and my girl bugging me for a ring I dunno if this hobby is going to win
Better find a new hobby cuz figureing out some of these cars problems can be much more of a pita. I spent the first three months trying to figure out why my car would randomly start misfireing. And after droping a good amount of cash and time it was one little injector wire that poped out when the engine would shake at highher rpms. I push that little wire in just a little and bam ran like a brand new car.. Idk i guess this is just how it goes but i do feel your frustration. I think i was having a panic attack cuz i just bought a 20k car and a week later it runs like hell.good luck my advice tho look for stupid stuff you would never think of fixing lo
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Old 09-09-2012, 12:58 PM   #25
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Better find a new hobby cuz figureing out some of these cars problems can be much more of a pita. I spent the first three months trying to figure out why my car would randomly start misfireing. And after droping a good amount of cash and time it was one little injector wire that poped out when the engine would shake at highher rpms. I push that little wire in just a little and bam ran like a brand new car.. Idk i guess this is just how it goes but i do feel your frustration. I think i was having a panic attack cuz i just bought a 20k car and a week later it runs like hell.good luck my advice tho look for stupid stuff you would never think of fixing lo
Just looked at the grounds in the engine bay area and all is well. All sensors plugged in. Nothing missed. My brain hurts. Any shop doing probono work for a veteran of Iraq and Afghanistan?
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