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Old 09-11-2012, 12:01 AM   #376
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Apple has a way of doing things. You know it's going to have great specs, a few new features and awesome industrial design. It will always cost the same money (less than what I can sell the old one for) 199, 299, 399. Also, there are tons of leaks this time around. Ars almost has a whole review already. My wife and my brother and 3 of my friends own iPhones and we all text for free over imessage, so that's a nice feature. Other people may not like the launcher, but it works great for my needs, 100 apps are all 2 taps away.

All that being said, I have used Android phones and work with several people who use them. They are good phones and I can see why they like them. I just don't happen to like the UI. I haven't tried JB yet, so maybe my opinion will change when I do get a chance to really try it. I would be more interested in the Nokia as I like the industrial design and I like the WP8 interface.
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Old 09-11-2012, 12:02 AM   #377
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I don't think that patents should be transferable nor do I think that software or design patents should be allowed.
Why shouldn't patents transfer? If a company is bought out, the buyer owns everything of that company. How are patents not part of that purchased company? What would happen to those patents if they don't transfer? Disappear? Become usable by everyone in that it is no longer a patent?

General design patents i.e. how things generally look are lame. I agree on that.
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Old 09-11-2012, 12:05 AM   #378
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Why shouldn't patents transfer? If a company is bought out, the buyer owns everything of that company. How are patents not part of that purchased company? What would happen to those patents if they don't transfer? Disappear? Become usable by everyone in that it is no longer a patent?

General design patents i.e. how things generally look are lame. I agree on that.
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I just don't happen to like the UI.
I don't quite get this because there are a variety of UI. TouchWiz, Sense, Stock, Motorola's version... You can customize it to look how you want, I'm sure you know that. So if you are willing to jailbreak your iphone, why can't you also mess with the UI on an android phone? Probably could make it look like an iphone if you wanted. I can't imagine it's more effort.
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Old 09-11-2012, 12:13 AM   #380
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I support company-owned iOS devices for about 40 people (and growing every year)... the consistent look & feel of the devices and consistency from one device to another is actually one of the major reasons we pay a premium for them rather than buy Android devices. Support-wise they're a breeze and satisfaction is very high. For the most part, the only reason one of our flock needs to enter the settings is to update their email password. We use Casper to manage the devices remotely the same way we do with Macs. We can distribute apps purchased/configured by the company, force updates, prevent changes and force restores (which is great for checking a single device out to several hundred library patrons each year) and our flock can still buy/install/use the devices as their own. I'm guessing that most people have no idea how far Apple has come in supporting enterprise use of their products, but they're hardly irrelevant or slipping.

I can't imagine trying to support Android in the same way, needing to constant fix what the fiddlers have botched, having to organize OS update schedules, depending on Google to support their own software/products should we run into a snag or become dependent on something. We already depend on Google for some online services... they make changes and drop services at whimsy sometimes and there's no recourse or even someone to call or contact... yeah, you can fire off an email but it goes into a black hole and by the time you get a reply you've either moved onto a different product or the issue was fixed days before... and that's the service you get when you pay Google for a service. It was never an option.
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I support company-owned iOS devices for about 40 people (and growing every year)... the consistent look & feel of the devices and consistency from one device to another is actually one of the major reasons we pay a premium for them rather than buy Android devices. Support-wise they're a breeze and satisfaction is very high. For the most part, the only reason one of our flock needs to enter the settings is to update their email password. We use Casper to manage the devices remotely the same way we do with Macs. We can distribute apps purchased/configured by the company, force updates, prevent changes and force restores (which is great for checking a single device out to several hundred library patrons each year) and our flock can still buy/install/use the devices as their own. I'm guessing that most people have no idea how far Apple has come in supporting enterprise use of their products, but they're hardly irrelevant or slipping.

I can't imagine trying to support Android in the same way, needing to constant fix what the fiddlers have botched, having to organize OS update schedules, depending on Google to support their own software/products should we run into a snag or become dependent on something. We already depend on Google for some online services... they make changes and drop services at whimsy sometimes and there's no recourse or even someone to call or contact... yeah, you can fire off an email but it goes into a black hole and by the time you get a reply you've either moved onto a different product or the issue was fixed days before... and that's the service you get when you pay Google for a service. It was never an option.
I actually completely understand this.

CDW held a BYOD conference at the Cisco campus here in Richardson Tx. That was one of the big items they mentioned. iOS is just more secure because it doesn't allow people to fiddle with **** unless you jailbreak it. And there are means of tracking if a phone on your network is JB.

This is great if you are just chasing the business market segment, but I really think it hampers commercial development. I mean RIM leaned on business sales for a long time and let their **** get out of date because it was easier to secure and what-not. I just hope Apple doesn't do that to themselves.

Honestly I can't wait till BYOD matures so business apps can be firewalled off from personal apps, and they push it to androids in a manner that is acceptable to businesses. Then everyone can be happy.
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Old 09-11-2012, 09:27 AM   #383
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Honestly I can't wait till BYOD matures so business apps can be firewalled off from personal apps, and they push it to androids in a manner that is acceptable to businesses. Then everyone can be happy.
I don't know if you know this but iOS supports corporate 'app stores' with platform assurance and other restrictions that keep the business apps separate from the personal apps. You don't use the regular app store at all for these apps.
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Old 09-11-2012, 09:35 AM   #384
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My company unfortunately uses MobileIron to lock down our IPhones if we want to use them for corporate use, but we do have a separate app store for "corporate" apps. I sucked it up and let big brother spy on me so I don't have to carry two phones.
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I support company-owned iOS devices for about 40 people (and growing every year)... the consistent look & feel of the devices and consistency from one device to another is actually one of the major reasons we pay a premium for them rather than buy Android devices. Support-wise they're a breeze and satisfaction is very high. For the most part, the only reason one of our flock needs to enter the settings is to update their email password. We use Casper to manage the devices remotely the same way we do with Macs. We can distribute apps purchased/configured by the company, force updates, prevent changes and force restores (which is great for checking a single device out to several hundred library patrons each year) and our flock can still buy/install/use the devices as their own. I'm guessing that most people have no idea how far Apple has come in supporting enterprise use of their products, but they're hardly irrelevant or slipping.

I can't imagine trying to support Android in the same way, needing to constant fix what the fiddlers have botched, having to organize OS update schedules, depending on Google to support their own software/products should we run into a snag or become dependent on something. We already depend on Google for some online services... they make changes and drop services at whimsy sometimes and there's no recourse or even someone to call or contact... yeah, you can fire off an email but it goes into a black hole and by the time you get a reply you've either moved onto a different product or the issue was fixed days before... and that's the service you get when you pay Google for a service. It was never an option.
see, that makes perfect sense i can completely understand that.
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I don't quite get this because there are a variety of UI. TouchWiz, Sense, Stock, Motorola's version... You can customize it to look how you want, I'm sure you know that. So if you are willing to jailbreak your iphone, why can't you also mess with the UI on an android phone? Probably could make it look like an iphone if you wanted. I can't imagine it's more effort.
I have used sammy and moto phones on VZW, and I have used sammy touchwiz phones on t-mobile as well as a galaxy nexus. They are different skins for the most part with a few major changes from the standard OS. I would only be happy with a nexus product because I need to have the latest software updates on the day they are released and they have to be for my particular phone. I know that I could flash a rom, but I really have no desire to do that or keep up with it in user forums. I stopped jailbreaking my iphone a long time ago, couldn't be happier. The main difference for me is, and I know many of you are going to hate this, is that the iOS UI feels more intuitive and that's an important distinction for me because I'm a UX designer, so good UI weighs heavy. This isn't to say that Android has bad UI, I just like iOS better at the moment.
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I don't know if you know this but iOS supports corporate 'app stores' with platform assurance and other restrictions that keep the business apps separate from the personal apps. You don't use the regular app store at all for these apps.
I know. As dwx mentions below, that conference was selling companies on mobileiron. They explained it. However, when the question was brought up about androids, they said it could be done, but it wasn't secure or "as secure."

That turns companies off. That's why I said I want BYOD technologies to mature so that they can be more suitable to port over to android platforms and maintain the same integrity as iOS devices..


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Will you be one of the eight million people expected to pay $600 for an Apple (AAPL) iPhone 5S later this year? If so, you will be contributing to some 32,000 students who were forced to work on the Foxconn assembly line building your order — or face expulsion from school.

The New York Times reports that Foxconn claimed that it employs 32,000 “interns” — 2.7% of its 1.2 million workers in China. Foxconn says that schools “recruit the students under the supervision of the local government, and the schools also assign teachers to accompany and monitor the students throughout their internship.”

But this bland statement may mask a more basic reality — those “interns” are being offered a choice of working in the Foxconn factory to meet demand for the iPhone 5S or getting kicked out of school.

Li Qiang, founder of China Labor Watch, told the Times that as recently September 9 he learned that 10 if 87 workers on one iPhone assembly line were “interns.” And as Li said, they “don’t want to work there — they want to learn. But if they don’t work, they are told they will not graduate, because it is a very busy time with the new iPhone coming, and Foxconn does not have enough workers without the students.”

But if a JP Morgan Chase (JPM) is right, eight million people will pay $600 to buy the soon-to-be-unveiled iPhone 5S. Even without taking into account the moral cost of buying a product that is built on the backs of the misery of 32,000 student interns, you are grossly over-paying for the “brand.”

That’s because Apple is exercising an enormous competitive advantage at your expense and that of its workers and suppliers. It has managed to drive a huge wedge between what people are willing to pay and its cost to satisfy that demand.

How so? Your iPhone’s price is 44% higher than the Lumia’s — looks to me like overpaying — while Apple takes home a whopping 71% gross margin — compared to Nokia’s 54%.

Consider the comparison of the prices and bill of materials cost for the iPhone 4S and the Nokia (NOK) Lumia 900. According to iMore, the iPhone’s price is $649 while the total cost of all its components — an incomplete cost measure — is $190; whereas the Lumia 900 sells for $450 and its parts cost $209.

As for the moral cost of building your iPhone, in January we learned that 23 people had died and 273 has been injured building your iWorld, including

19 who committed suicide at the Foxconn factory by “jumping or falling” off of its factory or dormitory buildings between 2008 and 2010;
Four – including Mr. Lai — who died in two factory explosions at Foxconn and another 77 who were injured in them;
137 Wintek workers injured due to the use of a fast-evaporating chemical used to polish iPad screens; and
59 injured during a December 2011 Foxconn plant explosion in Shanghai.
I am hoping that’s all in the past now. But it leads to a question: Why will virtually every Apple product owner react to this discussion as they would to an attack on a loved one?

The answer to that is fairly simple: the iPhone stimulates the same part of the human brain that activates when you are near people you love. In September 2011, Martin Lindstrom wrote in the New York Times that he conducted a functional magnetic resonance imaging (fMRI) experiment on eight men and eight women between the ages of 18 and 25.

His finding was that when exposed to their iPhones those 16 experienced a ”flurry of activation in the insular cortex of the brain, which is associated with feelings of love and compassion. The subjects’ brains responded to the sound of their phones as they would respond to the presence or proximity of a girlfriend, boyfriend or family member,” according to Lindstrom.

As Lindstrom concluded, you love your iPhone and if JP Morgan Chase is right, eight million of you won’t let a little thing — like costing 32,000 Chinese students their education — keep you from spending $600 to smear your fingerprints all over your loved one’s glass screen.
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Granted, I want to know what their net is...
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Looks like Samsung is piling on in a coordinated attack on Apple via patent lawsuits.

http://www.koreatimes.co.kr/www/news...33_119602.html

I think they are announcing right now to try and deflate the announcement and sales of the new iphone.

They (Samsung) are also preparing an "attack" ad, presumably for the launch of the new phone as well.

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Old 09-11-2012, 02:33 PM   #392
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I can't imagine trying to support Android in the same way, needing to constant fix what the fiddlers have botched, having to organize OS update schedules, depending on Google to support their own software/products should we run into a snag or become dependent on something. We already depend on Google for some online services... they make changes and drop services at whimsy sometimes and there's no recourse or even someone to call or contact... yeah, you can fire off an email but it goes into a black hole and by the time you get a reply you've either moved onto a different product or the issue was fixed days before... and that's the service you get when you pay Google for a service. It was never an option.
This. I own nothing but Android devices, but when our company wanted to provide devices for the sales group, I pushed them towards the Apple devices. We have 100 of them in the field used for various dog-and-pony shows, and they are very easy to streamline and homogenize. Not to mention these people are suckers for brand names. The company is looking to upgrade our current stock to iP5 so I'm hoping that the process remains seamless.
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We have managers at my facility pushing for a fleet of iPads to use on the production lines. They admitted that they do not have any use for them identified yet, but they want to look cutting-edge and high-tech for when our customers come to visit/audit us. Most of the management team were set on iPads too and not an alternative I guess because they are trendy.

I personally think a Window's Surface would be much better suited and integrated with our systems, but ultimately, I know the iPads will win because the managers want an iPad they can take them home at night.
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His finding was that when exposed to their iPhones those 16 experienced a ”flurry of activation in the insular cortex of the brain, which is associated with feelings of love and compassion. The subjects’ brains responded to the sound of their phones as they would respond to the presence or proximity of a girlfriend, boyfriend or family member,” according to Lindstrom.
Da fuq? This cannot be serious.
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I used to agree with this, but with the recent addition of wood grain, leather with stitching, etc. in the UI is gag inducing.

I mean, really Apple? Really?
Great story on Fast Company about the internal feud between skeumorphic people and those with good taste (Jobs was a skeumorphic fan).

http://www.fastcodesign.com/1670760/...cause-a-revolt

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Da fuq? This cannot be serious.
Foxconn says it isn't true.

http://www.cnn.com/2012/09/11/busine...ern/?hpt=hp_t3

Of course the truth is probably somewhere in between.
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Foxconn says it isn't true.

http://www.cnn.com/2012/09/11/busine...ern/?hpt=hp_t3

Of course the truth is probably somewhere in between.
No no, read what I quoted. I have no doubts they are forcing some to work to stay in school. But this??

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just buy a pair of toms. it'll all balance out.

Chinese workers get mistreated, you buy overpriced iPhone they made. Buy a pair of Toms, little Africans get a pair of shoes. All is right in the world.


Besides....the Toms will match your new iPhone.
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No no, read what I quoted. I have no doubts they are forcing some to work to stay in school. But this??
Yeah, that seems like a pile of horses hit.
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