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Old 09-10-2012, 11:55 PM   #26
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This is pretty cool. More proof that while not forever, these motors can last a bit at higher power levels using diligence.

I've personally had quite a few stockers living between 4-500 lately. Makes tuning more exhilarating, lol!

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Old 09-11-2012, 08:02 AM   #27
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Tilton clutch.

Base pressure is 50 IIRC. I'm running a walbro 255 as a lifter from our custom fuel cell to our custom surge tank and then two 044 pumps out of that. I'd have to look up the IDC, but I have ID2000 injectors so it's probably getting up to 50-60% at this power level with the low rev limit.

Mikey I'll be curious to see how this works out. If I was just going to run drag passes I think I could get away with it for a while with careful monitoring and tune tweaking, but I'll only be running a few drag passes with it. I'll mainly be running it around road courses so it will be taking sustained abuse. Regardless of how this holds up in the near future, one of our built shortblocks is going in because the stock shortblock is a ticking time bomb at this power level.

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Old 09-11-2012, 08:23 AM   #28
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can you show a picture of the bay and how the turbo sits.
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Old 09-11-2012, 08:43 AM   #29
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This is a time attack build and we moved some things around to improve weight distribution, exhaust flow, improve aero etc. It's not even close to done at this point, but it is drivable. The turbo isn't in the engine bay. Sorry for being a bit cryptic, but we've had a number of our ideas "borrowed" so I'd like to get this build a bit further along before posting pictures of certain things.
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Old 09-11-2012, 10:41 AM   #30
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Regardless of how this holds up in the near future, one of our built shortblocks is going in because the stock shortblock is a ticking time bomb at this power level.
Always a shame to see destroyed cylinder heads and oiling components

Thanks for sharing and nice work Mike. Great reminder that careful tuning and driving does work.
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Old 09-12-2012, 07:23 PM   #31
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New subframe is in, axle will be here in the morning, back to the track Friday.
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Old 09-13-2012, 02:51 PM   #32
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Sweeet Ride!
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Old 09-13-2012, 10:30 PM   #33
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Thanks folks.

Spoolinred the pink line and scale on the right of the graph is boost. It would spool sooner with aggressive boost control settings, but I just set a flat duty cycle for now.

I'd rather not know what the stock block HP record is because I'll probably do something silly and try to break it.

wagonator I'm expecting 650-700 wheel HP at 30 psi based two similar setups I've tuned before.
The stock block record was done a lonnngggg time ago by Georgie Performance in PR. It was something like 634WHP and it ran 10.34@138-140. I think it had a old school T66 with nitrous and Gadiel tune it. Anyway that was like 7 or 8 years ago.
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Old 09-13-2012, 10:37 PM   #34
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Impressive, in for videos!
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Old 09-14-2012, 08:59 AM   #35
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It's going to rain today in the early afternoon so they won't be running the drag strip at night. I guess I'll need to wait another week to make a pass, but I'll be on the road course with the car today as long as it stops raining.

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The stock block record was done a lonnngggg time ago by Georgie Performance in PR. It was something like 634WHP and it ran 10.34@138-140. I think it had a old school T66 with nitrous and Gadiel tune it. Anyway that was like 7 or 8 years ago.
It's odd that nobody else seemed to know about this. Post a link to the thread so we can check it out.
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Old 09-14-2012, 07:08 PM   #36
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It's odd that nobody else seemed to know about this. Post a link to the thread so we can check it out.
It took me a while to find it... but here it is... from April 2006.

http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthread.php?t=987243

We had more info of this car in a local forum... but the site is history now. I still have a video of this car running 9.88@142 in one of my HDD's. But that was with rods and pistons. At the time nobody thought it was a big deal, now days I think that was a huge accomplishment.

I know there is lot more people running 9's in their cars now, but back in the day (2004-2007) it was these guys the only one's running 10's an 9's. All kinds of record are still standing from way back then.

You don't hear about them anymore because most of them have move on to bigger and better things. Here's one for example:


But I still have my STi though. I just talked to Roly today, and he got a 2011. Maybe we can shoot for that 9's stock location record.
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Old 09-15-2012, 10:27 AM   #37
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Cool thanks for finding that. I went back to the track last night and blew an axle on the road course again so I didn't get to run it down the strip. Hopefully I'll get to the drag strip soon.
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Old 10-02-2012, 11:18 AM   #38
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You said shortblock: what headwork/cams was done on this?
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Old 10-02-2012, 11:24 AM   #39
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I forgot to update this. I've beat the stock engine up several times now on road courses. DSS totally reworked the axles and they've been solid. Mine were an older design and are now updated. It has rained the last two times to the track so only the road course was open. I'm going to Watkins Glen for two full days of lapping it next week so I may kill it before I make it to the drag strip. I have over 100 drag hundred passes worth of full throttle pulls on the road course on it and I've been revving it pretty high and sliding it etc.

The heads are not stock. They're ported and I have upgraded cams and gears we degreed.

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Old 10-02-2012, 11:34 AM   #40
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Very impressive guys ! ! !
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Old 10-04-2012, 07:17 PM   #41
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Keep pushing her!!!!!
What do you consider aggressive timing? Can you still add timing and pick up power or did you hit peak timing?
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Old 10-05-2012, 09:03 AM   #42
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I'm 3-4 degrees from peak power timing based on tuning I did on the built shortblock I had in the car earlier this year. I'm nowhere near the potential of the setup we have on the car, but the stock shortblock isn't going to take much more of this at the current power level.
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Old 10-05-2012, 09:59 AM   #43
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Keep the timing low and add some boost just keep her rich . She'll hold up.
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Old 10-05-2012, 10:05 AM   #44
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Careful tuning only goes so far. There's a reason we upgrade engines. I'm not pushing it further on a road course. If it survives these days at the Glen I will see if I can run a 9 second pass at a drag strip as is and if not I'll add a little more boost.
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Old 10-05-2012, 10:09 AM   #45
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Careful tuning only goes so far. There's a reason we upgrade engines. I'm not pushing it further on a road course. If it survives these days at the Glen I will see if I can run a 9 second pass at a drag strip as is and if not I'll add a little more boost.
Fair enough I thought you were just trying to go crazy on a stock block. If you want it to last a while I wouldn't go much more!!
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Old 10-05-2012, 10:15 AM   #46
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Yea I'm not trying to hit the limit and make parts fly, but I'm definitely asking for trouble at this power level and I know it won't last.
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Old 10-05-2012, 10:20 AM   #47
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I think if you didn't road course it and drove it daily but not like a bat out of hell it would last a while.
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Old 10-05-2012, 12:45 PM   #48
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Yup it would definitely last a lot longer. Running it around a road course is just too much fun though.

Here's a couple laps at 420 wheel HP on 14 psi.

https://vimeo.com/49516782
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What will break first do you think? Ring land? Did you guys open up the gap on the rings or is it really all stock sb?
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Old 10-05-2012, 01:19 PM   #50
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Fair enough I thought you were just trying to go crazy on a stock block. If you want it to last a while I wouldn't go much more!!
That is crazy power!
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