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Old 09-14-2012, 06:51 PM   #151
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I think 19mm is too big for the rear....
So far, it's pretty fun. The Federals I put on are way stickier than stock, but I can get the rear to slide just as easily. A hell of a lot quieter than the Michelins. I don't know if I'll really get a chance to test this combo since the wheels/tires have to come off for any serious fun. Even with the bigger bar, the rears rub a tad in hard cornering.

I would not use this bar with the stock tires unless wannabe driftcar.
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Old 09-15-2012, 02:13 PM   #152
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yeah i have a set of 215/55-16 conti winter contacts on 02-04 16s that would be fine for either car..lol

I might get an FR-S just out of laziness since there are actually a few in stock around here
PLENTY of brz's around by me. i dont like the frs, the interior just feels cheaper than the brz to me...

and i agree 100%. sti is hard to push on the streets, especially a modded one. also i agree that a lot of people just like sounding like a brochure "i have awd 300 hp turbo brembo...." thats not what this car is about, and people that say its a POS and slow are to be desregarded as morons. this car is fast in a different aspect. just from a test drive i can tell that in the corners it owuld leave my sti for dead. the STi is so heavy and it plows itself through corners and i always have to ****ing give it so much throttle to keep form understeering when i want to go into the corner fast. the brz was so much of a pleasure because it does as you want it to.

plus, power is something you can always add..we already see a brz that ran 11.3 so clearly it is achievable to add power to these cars. but honestly, it being NA is such a joy, you can start it and drive it, rev the piss out of it. on the STi i'm always wondering, not if but when something will go wrong because its modded you know? NA is a great piece of mind for me especially on car that will be tracked.
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Old 09-18-2012, 06:16 PM   #153
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but honestly, it being NA is such a joy, you can start it and drive it, rev the piss out of it. on the STi i'm always wondering, not if but when something will go wrong because its modded you know? NA is a great piece of mind for me especially on car that will be tracked.
My WRX was lightly modified, but even with that I had an A/F sensor go out (or did it? The CEL wouldn't clear, but the day I replaced the sensor it went off) and a couple other little odd tings. Luckily I was still in school and it didn't matter much. It was just unnerving to wonder about the reliability.

Now, as to RWD vs. AWD: this morning was my first commute in any appreciable rainfall. You can tell the front wheels aren't pulling car as the rear wheels are pushing it; hit a small puddle while accelerating in 2nd (not flat-out) and the rear end went squiggly (I didn't lose it, but it just kinda wriggled, you could feel it) as traction control intervened and cut power. Interesting feeling; not unnerving, but a reminder that being dumb in the rain could end horribly.

Note that this is my first standard, first RWD, first coupe, etc..
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Old 09-18-2012, 10:57 PM   #154
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you should probably drive slower..lol
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Old 09-19-2012, 03:03 PM   #155
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you should probably drive slower..lol
ROFL. Having the center digital tach keeps me going at the speed limit or just barely over it most of the time. I haven't really sped in this car as I'm still getting used to it; learning it, if you will.


People tell me that too much though
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Old 09-19-2012, 03:18 PM   #156
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idk I never really lost the rear on my G35. I did make it wiggle shifting hard into 2nd on wet road. I found it to actually have better straight line traction than FWD in rain, the problem is what happens when you lose the traction..lol.

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Old 09-19-2012, 05:25 PM   #157
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This is a forgiving car with a forgiving clutch; the handling dynamics of RWD is the only part of the equation that's not forgiving. Like I said, the rear end wiggled a bit in 2nd, nothing more. Now...I got the car sideways by accident in the dry and I'm not going to talk about it (I was not trying to hoon). No damage, but I learned a lot of lessons.
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Old 09-21-2012, 02:35 PM   #158
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I'm seriously contemplating the switch. I just worry I'll miss the power of the STi. I honestly think the BRZ would be more fun to drive though, and better as a daily driver (which is all the STi is right now anyway). It's fast, but I never really get to take advantage of it.
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Old 09-21-2012, 03:01 PM   #159
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my STi had a lot of power and now i'm driving the BRZ.

Yesterday I drove my STi to work. I haven't been driving it much because i'm trying to sell it and don't want to put the miles on it. Going to work was fun because of the power I now lack, but by the time I was driving it home, I was wishing I was in the BRZ.

Don't let these people on here fool you, this car has enough power to move around. Sure it could use some more, but i've seen people complain about not being able to pass others, shifting lanes, etc. If you can't do that you can't drive. I don't beat on my cars and I can easily maneuver through traffic etc without having to rev the hell out of it.

Take it for a test drive and have an open mind. The first turn you carve through will have you grinning from ear to ear. This is my first RWD car too so I haven't even "drove" the car yet either.
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Old 09-21-2012, 03:04 PM   #160
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I already drove one, and it definitely felt a little down on power. It was fun to drive though! I didn't get to have much fun in it, as it was a short drive on busy streets, but it was enough to get a feel for knowing it'd be enjoyable.

BRZ also equals more car payments. Is the fun worth an extra year of those?
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Old 09-21-2012, 03:09 PM   #161
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I already drove one, and it definitely felt a little down on power. It was fun to drive though! I didn't get to have much fun in it, as it was a short drive on busy streets, but it was enough to get a feel for knowing it'd be enjoyable.

BRZ also equals more car payments. Is the fun worth an extra year of those?
Of course it feels down on power, you are driving an STi. This car isn't meant to have gobs of power. You have to try to get it in your mind that you can't compare them lol.

Yeah, Test drives are kind of horse **** honestly. I test drove the FR-S, then the BRZ, then looked at other cars for a while, then came back to the BRZ It wasn't until I owned it I really started to enjoy it.
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Old 09-21-2012, 03:11 PM   #162
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Of course it feels down on power, you are driving an STi. This car isn't meant to have gobs of power. You have to try to get it in your mind that you can't compare them lol.

Yeah, Test drives are kind of horse **** honestly. I test drove the FR-S, then the BRZ, then looked at other cars for a while, then came back to the BRZ It wasn't until I owned it I really started to enjoy it.
How long have you had it? What kind of gas mileage have you been getting?
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Old 09-21-2012, 03:18 PM   #163
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had it for about a month now.

i don't really go crazy like people do and calculate the gas mileage, but to put it in simple terms lol, i've gone from filling up twice a week in my sti to go back and forth from work, to once. it also only takes about 9-10 gallons from 1/4 tank or a little under to top it off, where as the STi was like 12-13.

Its nice filling up once and spending 40 bucks instead of twice at 45+. I'm paying 40 bucks also because gas prices are going up ridiculous around here too. If I was filling my sti up it would be over 50 easy.
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Old 09-21-2012, 03:30 PM   #164
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PLENTY of brz's around by me. i dont like the frs, the interior just feels cheaper than the brz to me...

and i agree 100%. sti is hard to push on the streets, especially a modded one. also i agree that a lot of people just like sounding like a brochure "i have awd 300 hp turbo brembo...." thats not what this car is about, and people that say its a POS and slow are to be desregarded as morons. this car is fast in a different aspect. just from a test drive i can tell that in the corners it owuld leave my sti for dead. the STi is so heavy and it plows itself through corners and i always have to ****ing give it so much throttle to keep form understeering when i want to go into the corner fast. the brz was so much of a pleasure because it does as you want it to.

plus, power is something you can always add..we already see a brz that ran 11.3 so clearly it is achievable to add power to these cars. but honestly, it being NA is such a joy, you can start it and drive it, rev the piss out of it. on the STi i'm always wondering, not if but when something will go wrong because its modded you know? NA is a great piece of mind for me especially on car that will be tracked.
Well stated
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Old 09-21-2012, 03:33 PM   #165
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I want your gas prices. From close to empty the WRX cost $65 on average. We're fluctuating between $4.10-$4.20 per gallon in Alaska. I fill up about twice a week, sometimes more if I go cruising. I can not wait to get this car sold, hopefully by next week.
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This is a forgiving car with a forgiving clutch; the handling dynamics of RWD is the only part of the equation that's not forgiving. Like I said, the rear end wiggled a bit in 2nd, nothing more. Now...I got the car sideways by accident in the dry and I'm not going to talk about it (I was not trying to hoon). No damage, but I learned a lot of lessons.
you guys need to relax and learn the limits of your cars in a nice open space like a parking lot otherwise it will be bad
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Old 09-21-2012, 03:56 PM   #167
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YOU are the one who needs to relax!

RWD is fun. It makes more sense to me than full-time AWD. Only having two wheels to consider receiving power is just easier all around.
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Right now my STi is ~$50 to fill from gas light to full I think... I try not to let it get that empty though. I cannot ever seem to get a full 7 days out of driving on a tank though, even when I only drive to work and back (15 miles each way). The best mpg I've ever seen though was babying it on a road trip, and I still only managed 23 mpg. Ouch.

Stock vs stock, tires and brakes will be much cheaper on BRZ as well.
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YOU are the one who needs to relax!

RWD is fun. It makes more sense to me than full-time AWD. Only having two wheels to consider receiving power is just easier all around.
lolz

if this winter isn't too bad I might get one next year
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Right now my STi is ~$50 to fill from gas light to full I think... I try not to let it get that empty though. I cannot ever seem to get a full 7 days out of driving on a tank though, even when I only drive to work and back (15 miles each way). The best mpg I've ever seen though was babying it on a road trip, and I still only managed 23 mpg. Ouch.

Stock vs stock, tires and brakes will be much cheaper on BRZ as well.
I've learned that once you start watching gas prices, it's time to move on.

Typically I get mid-teens for City MPG. I can get 22MPG City if I try really hard and 27-28MPG on our short, little highways. On 200+ miles roadtrips I can get 31MPG both ways. I don't drive on the highway much, though, so it's mostly crappy city driving.

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lolz

if this winter isn't too bad I might get one next year
Do it. My comment about RWD is based on my ongoing experience with RWD. You know this, but it'll bite you when it should, and it's never really unexpected. When I slip in a RWD vehicle it's not surprising. When I slip in an AWD car for some reason I ask myself, "Which wheel was it?" When the front wheels are just used for steering, it's nice to only consider the rears. What sucks is that you can't really have that "go anywhere" attitude, but if you don't plan on using the car to just go anywhere, then it'll be fine.
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you guys need to relax and learn the limits of your cars in a nice open space like a parking lot otherwise it will be bad
Like I said, I wasn't TRYING to be stupid. It was a rookie mistake. I'm not a moron, I realize what the lack of 2 driven front wheels does. Next time there's appreciable rainfall, I'll take it out to the lot and learn some more. Right now the only thing that has me anxious is winter because the WRX was entirely too easy to drive in the snow.
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I drove a BRZ around for a while, you have to try to make the back come loose, especially with w/o sport mode on. Maybe you should worry less about defending yourself and more about




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damn...go ahead and break the Scions, but not the BRZ!
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