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Old 08-24-2012, 03:02 PM   #126
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I don't think anyone is going to care about having a smaller turbo 6 over an NA 6. If it's making similar power with better fuel economy then they will buy it.

Now that is not saying do away with the V-8 as an option. There will still be a large segment of buyers who want a V-8 Mustang.

By all acounts Ford is making a smaller and lighter Mustang so I think they will be fine on fuel economy/performance.
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Old 08-24-2012, 03:38 PM   #127
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I would definitely consider an EcoBoost V6 Mustang as my next car. The only thing that would deter me is the exhaust note. I'm not really a fan of the way the F150/SHO sound with an aftermarket exhaust. But we shall see.
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Old 08-25-2012, 06:23 PM   #128
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Say what you want, but there a lot of (older) people that would not buy a muscle car without a V8.

Anyone remember the Mustang/Probe debacle back in the early 90s when Ford wanted what became the Probe to become the next generation Mustang? That's what you'll see here.
And they can still buy one, there is room in the Mustang family for other engines. Adding a 4cyl option is not the same as the Probe / Mustang debacle, especially since the Mustang has had 4cyl engines before.

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You obviously have never driven a car with a larger engine. Add a blower to a v8 and there are no 4cylinders that will keep up turbo or not. The new 5.0 with a modern suspension will be hard for most cars, even expensive German cars to deal with. An STI would have to undergo a major diet and or HP upgrade to compete. It is already much slower over the course ad a lap with the mustang using a buggy suspension.
Quite a few, ever driven a Nova with a 454 LS6?

Big engine / big power is a ton of fun, in a straight line. Again, V8 with a solid axle for the drag racers, V6 with a solid axle for the secretaries, IRS with the turbo 4 for the tuner crowd and IRS V8 for the Cobra / Boss track guys.

Everything is already on the shelf and it can only expand sales.
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Old 08-26-2012, 10:17 AM   #129
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And they can still buy one, there is room in the Mustang family for other engines. Adding a 4cyl option is not the same as the Probe / Mustang debacle, especially since the Mustang has had 4cyl engines before.

Quite a few, ever driven a Nova with a 454 LS6?

Big engine / big power is a ton of fun, in a straight line. Again, V8 with a solid axle for the drag racers, V6 with a solid axle for the secretaries, IRS with the turbo 4 for the tuner crowd and IRS V8 for the Cobra / Boss track guys.

Everything is already on the shelf and it can only expand sales.
Agreed, the probe/stang was also going to be Fwd, and it was coming out right after the beloved fox body (87-93). Pound for pound the fox body was one of the best cheap HP car avail (just like the current 5.0)


I also think Ford can do the above options as well...
The 5.0, the V6, and a turbo-4(new svo anyone?)
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Old 08-26-2012, 10:32 AM   #130
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I agree. I think the probe fiasco was more about FWD than a change of Engines.
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Old 08-26-2012, 12:35 PM   #131
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And they can still buy one, there is room in the Mustang family for other engines. Adding a 4cyl option is not the same as the Probe / Mustang debacle, especially since the Mustang has had 4cyl engines before.
Sure, but my point is that the four banger and the V6 are only going to fragment the market. I don't see 16 year olds going for a four banger in droves just because it has a turbocharged four banger or it's "tuner". They'd be far too close in performance to be worthwhile which is exactly why you didn't see the 3.5l Ecoboost come to the Mustang either - it was dangerously close to the 5.0's turf.
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Agreed, the probe/stang was also going to be Fwd, and it was coming out right after the beloved fox body (87-93). Pound for pound the fox body was one of the best cheap HP car avail (just like the current 5.0)
Fox bodies are '79-93 and the SN95 (94-04) is closely related. The original Probe was supposed to replace the Fox car in 1989. That is until the Mustang faithful brought out the pitchforks and torches.

The Probe debacle itself was basically a replay of the earlier Mustang/Pinto debacle. The more things change...

I agree with others, number of cylinders is largely irrelevant as long as the formula of good power, low cost, and RWD is adhered to. Many of us Mustang enthusiasts remember the original SVO very fondly.
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Old 08-26-2012, 08:45 PM   #133
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XR4Ti was a very impressive GT car in its day and the SVO was almost an unknown. The SVO Mustang was far better in almost every way to the 5.0, EXCEPT, it didn't say 5.0 on the fender. I think the ford Execuengineers are torn between great engineering and the history of turbo non-v8 vs V8.
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Old 09-10-2012, 03:44 PM   #134
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Looks like Europe will not be getting the 5.0 when the 2015 Mustang is exported to their countries. There are multiple articles saying this, but here's just one of them:

Ford Mustang heading to Europe with potential for Australia

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Ford Australia is playing coy about the chances of the next-generation Ford Mustang being imported locally after the Blue Oval confirmed the muscle car will be sold in Europe.

The next Mustang is due in 2015 and expected to be built in right-hand drive for this iteration.

Ford of Europe made the Mustang announcement as part of a Go Further event where the company outlined a number of new models and technologies it was introducing as it looks to bolster its sales in a European market that is experiencing tough times.

“You only have to look at the incredible response to Mustang when it has appeared this summer at the Goodwood Festival of Speed, in the UK, and at the Le Mans Classic, in France, to get a sense of the excitement this American icon generates across Europe,” said Stephen Odell, Ford of Europe’s chairman and CEO.

“The Mustang is uniquely Ford and has a huge fan base here in Europe. Now those fans have something to look forward to and we look forward to providing more details in the near future.”

A right-hand-drive Ford Mustang naturally provides a potential opportunity for the legendary ‘Pony car’ to be imported to Australia officially, and at a vastly cheaper cost than the RHD conversion kits available locally.

Ford Australia, however, would only say the Mustang had been confirmed for Europe only and wouldn’t comment on its prospects for Australia or whether Ford Australia was involved in development of the new model.

Quotes from Ford boss Alan Mulally at the 2010 Detroit motor show had encouraged rumours that the next-generation Mustang could share its rear-wheel-drive platform with a new Falcon large car.

That seems an even more unlikely scenario now, and the next Mustang is tipped to use a heavily modified version of the current model’s underpinnings – though crucially replacing today’s unsophisticated live rear axle with independent rear suspension.

American versions of the new Ford Mustang would certainly retain a V8 power choice, though in Europe the US muscle car can be expected to employ a selection of V6 and four-cylinder turbocharged ‘EcoBoost’ engines.

Ford used the Go Further event to reveal other imminent or upcoming models for Europe, including the facelifted Ford Fiesta, all-new Ford Mondeo medium car, next-generation Transit and two SUVs in the form of the Ford Edge and the smaller, Fiesta-based Ford EcoSport that is also coming to Australia.
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And the part I'm excited about, a downsized EcoBoost V6 as the 6-cylinder option:

Small Displacement EcoBoost V6 For 2015 Mustang?

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Part of the new UAW contract currently being voted on according to the Union states that the Lima, OH engine plant will get some $400,000,000 invested to build an all new small displacement V6 engine.

Car and Driver Magazine is speculating that this new engine is likely to be in the range of 2.5-3.0 liters and will very likely come in an EcoBoost variant that could produce about 300hp. This report jives with earlier rumors that Ford was working on a 2.7 liter turbo-V6 that may end up in the 2015 Mustang.

The new engine family in EcoBoost form would potentially replace the current generation of 3.5 and 3.7 liter V6 engines we see used across the Ford product line including the Edge, Mustang, Explorer, Fusion and even the F-150.

An EcoBoost variation would be a perfect alternative to the latter engines if it can produce equivalent power and increased miles per gallon. In naturally aspirated form, a smaller displacement V6 would likely produce 225-250hp in relatively mild tune and itself could be a good base engine for the 2015 Mustang.

The coming CAFE standards that will require a fleet average of 54.6 mpg are the chief driving factor to Ford’s downsizing and turbocharging. In that way Ford seems to have found a magic formula as their EcoBoost engines to date have been very popular in the market as well as applauded by the press.

Other automakers are beginning to follow suit. GM just announced this week that they too are now developing a new range of small turbocharged and direct injected engines for their car lines. As to the 2015 Mustang, one way or another it looks like we will see an EcoBoost engine available whether it be a base four-cylinder or a V6 upgrade.
I hope it's the 2.5-3.0 V6 EcoBoost making in the low 300bhp range. That wouldn't step on the 5.0s toes, but would make good power when the aftermarket tuners come out.
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I hope it's the 2.5-3.0 V6 EcoBoost making in the low 300bhp range. That wouldn't step on the 5.0s toes, but would make good power when the aftermarket tuners come out.
What's the point of that though when you already have the 3.7 in that power range?
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Torque, hopefully.
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What's the point of that though when you already have the 3.7 in that power range?
Torque will start much earlier in the EcoBoost, it will get better gas mileage and the tuneability of a TTV6 is a great bonus. Just for reference, the current V6 Mustang gets 19/29mpg in manual configuration. The Taurus SHO (V6 EcoBoost) gets 17/25mpg, but that's with AWD and an additional 900lbs of curb weight. Throw a slightly more fuel efficient 3.0L EcoBoost in a Mustang weighing 3,300lbs with RWD and you're definitely going to surpass the current V6's gas efficiency while having a better powerband and tuneability.

Here's a dyno of the Taurus SHO. Blue is stock tune + cai, red is custom tune + cai:

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I wish they would use this engine.

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I wish they would use this engine.
That would be nice, but I'll take what I can get.
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That would be nice, but I'll take what I can get.
No doubt, i'm in total agreeance. Just thought it would fit nicely under the hood.
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Old 09-17-2012, 02:26 PM   #142
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New Mustang a global pony



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The future of the Ford Falcon may be uncertain, but fast Ford fans just received some good news.

The next-generation Mustang is expected to break free from its traditional North American focus and be sold around the world.

Last week Ford UK confirmed it will offer the car, due to launch in 2015, in right-hand drive.

The new Mustang is expected to undergo its biggest change since launching in 1964, with new, more fuel-efficient engines (including a four-cylinder), independent rear suspension and a radical change to its styling.

As the artist's impression shows, the 2015 Mustang is expected to ditch the retro styling of the current model for a more contemporary look. Expect to see plenty of design cues from the Evos concept unveiled at the Frankfurt motor show last year.

Ford's EcoBoost range of turbocharged petrol engines will lurk under the bonnet. The range is tipped to begin with a 2.0-litre four-cylinder turbo. The Mustang's smallest-ever engine. Above that will be a 3.7-litre V6 turbo and the 5.0-litre V8, which is now found in the FPV Falcons.

The all-new underpinning will finally ditch the live rear axle in favour of independent rear suspension to improve handling and ride comfort.

Ford Australia has obvious expertise in that department but there has been no word if the team at Broadmeadows will be called on. The new car is also expected to use aluminium and high-strength steel in the body and underpinnings as Ford tries to cut more than 100 kilograms of weight compared with the current Mustang.
Not sure if it's a typo or they just don't know what they're talking about but there's mention of a 3.7L EcoBoost V6. If there is a 6-cyl EcoBoost, I doubt it would be the same displacement as the current n/a V6. More importantly, Ford is trying to cut 100+kg of weight for the new design? 100kg is 220lbs, so that would bring the GT coupe/6-speed to 3,398lbs (lighter than an STi limited). Sounds good to me.

Plus, I like that rendering the most out of all of them.
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, gad I hope it looks nothing like these Fusion based artist renditions. The proportions are hideous, the bubbly forward cab and the gappy beltline between the rear wheels and the rear 1/4 window are awful!
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this looks horrible! haha
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Say what you want, but there a lot of (older) people that would not buy a muscle car without a V8.
They are quickly approaching an age where they should not be buying powerful cars with their social security checks.

What they want in a few years isn't going to mean anything at all they are going to have to target the younger crowd who don't give a ****.


IMO they should make a mustang with the barra i6 turbo as an option, relabel it as a falcon in Oz, and call it a day.
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, gad I hope it looks nothing like these Fusion based artist renditions. The proportions are hideous, the bubbly forward cab and the gappy beltline between the rear wheels and the rear 1/4 window are awful!
You don't think a front end similar to this would look good on a Mustang?



You have to remember these are renderings; the finished product won't look as bulging and awkward as these. It will probably have the same basic shape as a Mustang, most likely with a more modern front and rear end(s).
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You don't think a front end similar to this would look good on a Mustang?



You have to remember these are renderings; the finished product won't look as bulging and awkward as these. It will probably have the same basic shape as a Mustang, most likely with a more modern front and rear end(s).

I agree that front end will look fantastic, I though you were referring to the rendering in it's entirety. I think the current Mustang looks fantastic aside from the bulgy tail lights. Flatten the butt a bit, add the Aston front end, keep the coke bottle profile; they will have a winner for sure.
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The New Faces of CarScoop's 2015 Ford Mustang, Allegedly Tweaked to Resemble the Real Thing

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Not too long ago, CarScoop's design guru Josh Byrnes gazed into his "crystal ball", as he said, to see what the future holds for the next generation of the Ford Mustang by offering his own interpretation of the pony car's styling.
Josh's speculative take blended the shape and styling elements of the retro-penned fifth generation model (both the original and the facelifted versions) with hints from Ford's modern design language as displayed in cars like the production Taurus and the conceptual Evos.

Several sites and forums quickly picked up the rendering with readers touching up our original design (we can assure you, none of them asked us), some of whom lightly modded the rendering with new elements like the headlamps based on what they heard from owners who rated the next Mustang at a recent consumer clinic.

Two of the re-designs made it on a recent article on Jalopnik, with the red-colored example said to resemble what owners saw at the clinic.

The red Mustang was touched up by a Jalopnik reader nicknamed "Slacks" who simply changed the color, the pony logo and the headlamps of Josh's original design...forgetting the appropriate credits, though, Jalopnik editor Raphael Orlove did mention it in his post.

Will it look anything like this? We can’t answer that – not yet, at least.

But if you want to catch a very precise glimpse of the 2015MY Mustang, with which Ford will celebrate the model's 50th anniversary and for the first time, go global, possibly offering four-cylinder turbocharged engines, keep checking back on CarScoop over the next few days because we just may have something quite interesting coming our way…
I like the sound of that last part.
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I think the red example above is pretty realistic. It's still clearly a Mustang, but with more modern touches.

At this point my guess on engines choices is:
US: I4T, V6, V8
Overseas: I4T, V6T
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Wow, just checked out one of the Mustang forums I frequent and saw this:

I got to evaluate a 2015 Mustang today

I guess this guy did what that CarScoop article was talking about when they said current Mustang owners were invited to rate the 2015 Mustang. I've only read the first out of the 6 pages in that thread, but he mentioned a 2.3L Ecoboost making 310bhp and 34mpg, and also an Ecoboost V8.

**** just got real.
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