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Old 10-26-2011, 03:45 AM   #501
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My ball joints are due to be replaced soon, so I have been looking at the options. I decided against the Whiteline ones as they do seem to have had quite a few problems with failures. I don't want to risk a major failing while on the freeway and smashing my car or hurting myself.

I heard on the grapevine that there is another Australian manufacturer who was looking at releasing a similar product with roll centre and bump steer adjustment but with better durability and competitive pricing.

Anyone heard about this or know who is making it?
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Old 10-26-2011, 04:08 AM   #502
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My ball joints are due to be replaced soon, so I have been looking at the options. I decided against the Whiteline ones as they do seem to have had quite a few problems with failures. I don't want to risk a major failing while on the freeway and smashing my car or hurting myself.

I heard on the grapevine that there is another Australian manufacturer who was looking at releasing a similar product with roll centre and bump steer adjustment but with better durability and competitive pricing.

Anyone heard about this or know who is making it?
Whiteline has revised their products to solve those issues.

Add to that, if someone is "looking to release," a similar product how can it be more durable? It doesn't exist! It's all cocnjecture and wishful thinking until it goes actually is produced and has some exposure to various cars and conditions.

Your best bet is the whiteline unit as it has been tested over the years and improved upon since initial release.
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Old 10-28-2011, 03:22 PM   #503
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I picked up the kit from Circuit Motorsports (vendor on here) they are running a pretty slick deal on the kit and I received them pretty much next day. I will be installing them soon and will let you guys know how they make out through the New England winter...that is, if I remember this thread.
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Old 04-10-2012, 03:37 PM   #504
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I just installed my wl ball joints and tier rods on my car and now just read all of this and now I don't want to take it off the jack stands lol. I do see this happened awhile ago and I guess they fixed the problem idk. I just ordered these about two weeks ago . I hope they work fine. I did notice they slide in pretty easy to the hub. Hmmm wtd
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Old 04-10-2012, 03:52 PM   #505
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i wouldnt be worried.. if installed correctly, you should be fine

i had these installed on my 05 FXT which was daily driven 100 miles/day on roads with lots of bumps/potholes (with lots of maneuvering) and getting aggressive on the twisties for 40k miles with no issues
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Old 04-10-2012, 03:55 PM   #506
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Ya I hope so. Mine are yellow with the silver rings. I was reading the ones with the blue are ok. Do u have any clue what the torque spec on the pith bolts are?
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Old 05-11-2012, 03:12 PM   #507
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Sounds like there is a concern regarding durability of boots on this kit.

Is this still true with new design?
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Old 05-11-2012, 03:35 PM   #508
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Sounds like there is a concern regarding durability of boots on this kit.

Is this still true with new design?
I've been running the "new" design for years now... no boot issues.

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Old 06-16-2012, 12:20 AM   #509
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Read this thread and was wondering if anyone had to replace the tie rod ends? I think maybe only 2 or 3 said they considered it a wear item. I'm assuming the boots on the TRE are fine as well?
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Old 09-21-2012, 12:30 PM   #510
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I browsed through this thread. I plan on doing a steering overhaul, STI rack, linkage, new bushings..etc..and my car is recently lowered at least an inch. and all the issues I see with these are resolved.
...Sounds like this kit is sorta necessary???? True?
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Old 09-21-2012, 12:52 PM   #511
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I browsed through this thread. I plan on doing a steering overhaul, STI rack, linkage, new bushings..etc..and my car is recently lowered at least an inch. and all the issues I see with these are resolved.
...Sounds like this kit is sorta necessary???? True?
Necessary? no. Nice to have? yes.

Hell, I put one of the very first sets in the country on Mrs. TiC's outback that sits at stock height, and it was a very nice upgrade to handling.
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Old 09-21-2012, 01:14 PM   #512
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It improves turn-in feel quite a bit and reduces the need for mid-turn steering corrections. I wouldn't go back to stock now.
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Old 09-21-2012, 02:06 PM   #513
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Whiteline's issue with the ball-joints was several years ago and was resolved. Read those posts carefully and read about the revision before saying here-and-now in September 2012 that they are not good, unless you have a current issue or good information to the contrary.


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Read this thread and was wondering if anyone had to replace the tie rod ends? I think maybe only 2 or 3 said they considered it a wear item. I'm assuming the boots on the TRE are fine as well?
Tie-rod ends, ball-joints, wheel-bearings, clutches, bushings, dampers, and so-on are all wear items. Some are designed to stand-up to more abuse over a longer period of time. But do not assume that just because literally a hand-full of people said that they don't believe that these are not wear items, that they are not.

Most people do not adequately maintain their cars. Period. Once you start modifying the car and/or driving it hard, you must also modify your maintenance; read: must maintain more and more often which translates into spending more money to do so. If you want to have the fun, but don't want to spend the $$$ for up-keep, then sell the car.

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Old 09-21-2012, 03:28 PM   #514
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Necessary? no. Nice to have? yes.

Hell, I put one of the very first sets in the country on Mrs. TiC's outback that sits at stock height, and it was a very nice upgrade to handling.
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It improves turn-in feel quite a bit and reduces the need for mid-turn steering corrections. I wouldn't go back to stock now.
Cooool ...thanks! I'm sold! I will add it to list!
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Old 09-21-2012, 04:25 PM   #515
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Tie-rod ends, ball-joints, wheel-bearings, clutches, bushings, dampers, and so-on are all wear items. Some are designed to stand-up to more abuse over a longer period of time. But do not assume that just because literally a hand-full of people said that they don't believe that these are not wear items, that they are not.

Most people do not adequately maintain their cars. Period. Once you start modifying the car and/or driving it hard, you must also modify your maintenance; read: must maintain more and more often which translates into spending more money to do so. If you want to have the fun, but don't want to spend the $$$ for up-keep, then sell the car.
My concern is more living up here in the NE with salt and winter. Would these wear more than say the OEM ones? I understand basically every suspension bit is a 'wear' item, just depends on the usage of the car and weather and maintenance. I'm always checking everything underneath every oil change or whenever my car is up on a lift.
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Old 09-21-2012, 04:40 PM   #516
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My concern is more living up here in the NE with salt and winter. Would these wear more than say the OEM ones? I understand basically every suspension bit is a 'wear' item, just depends on the usage of the car and weather and maintenance. I'm always checking everything underneath every oil change or whenever my car is up on a lift.
I live in Connecticut and we use salt during the winter-months and my car is used all-year as a daily-driver; I have no other car.

I have also used the car for auto-x events and drive in a spirited manner. The roads here locally are also not the best, but not the worst either.

I have had the Whiteline RCK on my car since early 2009 and to date have no issues to report; approximately 30,000 or so miles of use.

I too check the car regularly and, in addition, I also use Boeshield T-9 on all of the non-bushing supension and chassis items to keep rust and corrosion at bay: www.boeshield.com

Don't get me wrong, but in my eyes, Whiteline is a world-wide supplier of performance automotive parts that continually keeps-up with the market and does react quickly to any needs of the user; Whiteline or 'Whiteline Jim' is a member here at NASIOC and when there is a problem, "he" does come on and adds to find a resolve for the consumer and the company rather quickly. This has to count for something? Yes?
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Old 09-23-2012, 08:22 AM   #517
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I live in Connecticut and we use salt during the winter-months and my car is used all-year as a daily-driver; I have no other car.

I have also used the car for auto-x events and drive in a spirited manner. The roads here locally are also not the best, but not the worst either.

I have had the Whiteline RCK on my car since early 2009 and to date have no issues to report; approximately 30,000 or so miles of use.

I too check the car regularly and, in addition, I also use Boeshield T-9 on all of the non-bushing supension and chassis items to keep rust and corrosion at bay: www.boeshield.com

Don't get me wrong, but in my eyes, Whiteline is a world-wide supplier of performance automotive parts that continually keeps-up with the market and does react quickly to any needs of the user; Whiteline or 'Whiteline Jim' is a member here at NASIOC and when there is a problem, "he" does come on and adds to find a resolve for the consumer and the company rather quickly. This has to count for something? Yes?
^^ This is what I was looking to hear. I just bought a set of these. Then I stumbled across this thread. I had to read through 11 pages of drama before I was reassured that the product had been effectively updated. As interesting as it was to relive the 08-09 customer service recall, it's to bad the OP happens to be a banned user, otherwise we might have a summary on the first page.
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Old 09-23-2012, 09:51 PM   #518
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Do the revisions address the durability of the grease boots on the tie rod ends? Its a pretty expensive wear and tear item. The other day I was dead blow hammering out my stock ends (by hitting the knuckle of course). The stock ends had good boots but ended up splitting anyway, they are pretty fragile I guess. My fear is I'll have to do this at some point with the RCA ends. Thoughts / experience?
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Old 09-23-2012, 10:15 PM   #519
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The boots on all 4 pieces are the weak link. I've been through 3 sets already. IMO, the improvements are worth it.
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That's alot of cake. Heavy track/autox or daily / mix? Also, what is the consensus on ride height where these become necessary (or desirable) ?
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They're desirable even at stock height. They grow in importance the lower you go.

Daily and fun driving mix. My fun driving is about 80% of track duty and goes on for 8 hours at a time. Definitely harder than average.
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are there any superior products to the whitelines? i believe perrin or some other company do some that are even lower?
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are there any superior products to the whitelines? i believe perrin or some other company do some that are even lower?
No, the Whitelines are the best quality.


Never EVER trust anything from Perrin. ESPECIALLY something like a major suspension component that can get you killed if it fails. They have way too bad of a track record. Perrin is popular based off of bling and off of movie product placements, not off of quality of production or design.
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No, the Whitelines are the best quality.


Never EVER trust anything from Perrin. ESPECIALLY something like a major suspension component that can get you killed if it fails. They have way too bad of a track record. Perrin is popular based off of bling and off of movie product placements, not off of quality of production or design.
thanks. what about the zersports or 6gun type ones that lower even further than whitelines? is this one of those things where more = better, or did whiteline do 25m for a reason?
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I thought 6gun went out of business because their RCA kept snapping and crashing cars into solid objects. If you search on here, you'll find pics of their tie rod end replacements (a required part of the kit) snapped in half. Are you sure they're still in business?

I seem to remember some buzz when ZS announced their RCA but I honestly don't think I've ever seen someone post to say they actually own one.
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