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Old 09-21-2012, 10:37 AM   #76
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I actually catch myself staring at the current forrester every time I see one. Something about those subtle lines are very pleasing to the eye. Not boring at all to me. I think the forester, the current one is an example of very good design. Attention to proportion, shape, and lines are very well done and look great without being over top. It has a feeling of athleticism to me.

I hope they can continue that restrained but athletic quality about it.
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Old 09-21-2012, 11:21 AM   #77
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I actually catch myself staring at the current forrester every time I see one. Something about those subtle lines are very pleasing to the eye. Not boring at all to me. I think the forester, the current one is an example of very good design. Attention to proportion, shape, and lines are very well done and look great without being over top. It has an err of athleticism to me.

I hope they can continue that restrained but athletic quality about it.
I agree with you there. I don't think the current Forester is a bad looking vehicle at all, just what I can tell from that camo shot, it looks like it ought to be fairly good looking. Time will tell, though.
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Old 09-21-2012, 02:23 PM   #78
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Subaru has the chance, and the drivetrain equipment to really be something head and shoulders above the rest of the haldex/transverse engined crowd... If they conform, it is lost potential. Subaru has already lost potential with the current SH Forester, as it is.

Lost YOUR potential maybe? It still sells in good numbers. In its 4th year it is up. 1% mind you, but that is still up! The 2014 will sell better.
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Old 09-21-2012, 02:48 PM   #79
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So, Subaru loses Hip as a customer, and gains 200,000 new converts. I'd say that was a good trade!
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Old 09-21-2012, 02:49 PM   #80
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I didn't say that it was a bad seller as-is. Reading comprehension is a good thing.

But do you think it might get some other buyers, if XT had WRX's or Legacy GT/Outback XT specifications? Not like Outback XT still exists anyway... it doesn't.

268hp, and the choice between a 5 or 6-speed manual (WRX or '10+ Legacy GT, respectively), or a 5EAT with VTD... and SI-drive to select between sharp response, or economical cruising... barely anything compared to some other CUVs and SUVs with terrain and dynamics selection controls.

...or a limited edition with STI specifications, like 290-305hp, robust 6MT with DCCD, with ride height lower than stock Forester, but higher than WRX STI, with inverted bilsteins, Tribeca brakes or STI Brembos, and 5x114 hubs and bearings, and both front and rear limited slip diffs.

Do you honestly think that nobody would buy that, when a handful of people have wanted it bad enough to buy wrecked STIs, and BUILD that, probably approaching double the cost of the Forester XT Limited?

RAV4 has V6, and is the most powerful CUV in the class. Some go to larger CUVs like Edge Sport, or others. People buy a remarkable number of Ford Raptors, as a percentage of total F150 sales.

Are you trying to tell me that there wasn't potential to make SH Forester (09-current) more than it was, and sell even MORE than it did? That is lost potential.

A boring, bland, FB25/CVT or FA20DIT/CVT with only 240hp, in a pudgy-looking next-gen Forester that is looking to be likely, is not going to live up to Subaru's potential either.
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Old 09-21-2012, 02:58 PM   #81
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So, Subaru loses Hip as a customer, and gains 200,000 new converts. I'd say that was a good trade!
So, does that mean that you are so much of a sycophant to Subaru, that you are going to follow them down this appliance road?

How many enthusiasts will Subaru lose, if none of the products other than WRX, and 2WD BRZ, are sporty in the least?

How long did it take Toyota to get the beige reputation it has, after it killed off every one of it's performance cars?

Because Subaru is preparing to follow. If WRX/STI doesn't blow all expectations away, Subaru's performance reputation is on the line. A small under-powered 2WD coupe cannot carry Subaru's performance reputation, especially when Scion is getting more exposure for it by selling more units of FR-S than Subaru is selling BRZ.

Maybe they'll get a few thousand new sales. Subaru is not going to nearly double it's sales volume on a bland new Forester, compared to the already well-selling stock-bland Forester. There is not likely that much conquest in this automotive market (and this economy in general) to be had, and certainly not by being just another also-ran bland choice that looks and drives, and puts around like every other boring FWD-biased CUV.

But how many enthusiast sales are they missing out on? How do you quantify something that doesn't happen?

Make fun of me now, if you want... just don't act surprised when you find that there are no new Subarus that you really want, either.

If you are so much of a Subaru fanboy that you'll buy whatever appliance they tell you to buy... you deserve what you get.
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Old 09-21-2012, 03:11 PM   #82
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Hip, you know those two guys who built their own forester STI's.

All the demand in the whole country has been met.

Can we move on?
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Old 09-21-2012, 03:20 PM   #83
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You call anyone else out on making what you think are un-founded suppositions... and yet you make that one?

Move on to what, exactly? a boredom-induced coma?
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Old 09-21-2012, 04:19 PM   #84
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Whatever works for you boss.
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I've driven a newer Rav4. I like it. Very spunky and the interior layout is straightforward. The Forester doesn't feel spunky, but I think it looks better. A combination of the two would be welcomed.

The thing is, Hip, these cars need to look familiar somehow to anyone that's new to Subaru, yet familiar also to those already acquainted. The newer designs are less alienating, so sales are growing. It's not ALL about the design, obviously, but I know it helps.
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Old 09-22-2012, 12:20 AM   #86
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I didn't say that it was a bad seller as-is. Reading comprehension is a good thing.

But do you think it might get some other buyers, if XT had WRX's or Legacy GT/Outback XT specifications? Not like Outback XT still exists anyway... it doesn't.

Do you honestly think that nobody would buy that, when a handful of people have wanted it bad enough to buy wrecked STIs, and BUILD that, probably approaching double the cost of the Forester XT Limited?

RAV4 has V6, and is the most powerful CUV in the class. Some go to larger CUVs like Edge Sport, or others. People buy a remarkable number of Ford Raptors, as a percentage of total F150 sales.

Are you trying to tell me that there wasn't potential to make SH Forester (09-current) more than it was, and sell even MORE than it did? That is lost potential.

A boring, bland, FB25/CVT or FA20DIT/CVT with only 240hp, in a pudgy-looking next-gen Forester that is looking to be likely, is not going to live up to Subaru's potential either.

My reading comprehension is fine. You said it has lost potential. The main potential I figure Subaru cares about is more sales. They are getting it. They do massive research into what is profitable. If they deemed a 300hp Forester with a 6spd manual to be profitable, they would do it. Other markets get those things because they cost significantly more and are profitable. Yes. SOMEONE would buy those, but would it be enough? Not likely.


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How many enthusiasts will Subaru lose, if none of the products other than WRX, and 2WD BRZ, are sporty in the least?

How long did it take Toyota to get the beige reputation it has, after it killed off every one of it's performance cars?

Because Subaru is preparing to follow. If WRX/STI doesn't blow all expectations away, Subaru's performance reputation is on the line. A small under-powered 2WD coupe cannot carry Subaru's performance reputation, especially when Scion is getting more exposure for it by selling more units of FR-S than Subaru is selling BRZ.

Maybe they'll get a few thousand new sales. Subaru is not going to nearly double it's sales volume on a bland new Forester, compared to the already well-selling stock-bland Forester. There is not likely that much conquest in this automotive market (and this economy in general) to be had, and certainly not by being just another also-ran bland choice that looks and drives, and puts around like every other boring FWD-biased CUV.

But how many enthusiast sales are they missing out on? How do you quantify something that doesn't happen?

Make fun of me now, if you want... just don't act surprised when you find that there are no new Subarus that you really want, either.

If you are so much of a Subaru fanboy that you'll buy whatever appliance they tell you to buy... you deserve what you get.

I seriously doubt there are THAT many enthusiasts out there to make a difference compared to the amount of conquest buyers for the new "boring" cars they are coming out with.

I want the same things you do. I have just worked at a dealership for awhile now and understand more what they are doing; and I believe they will have some fun things again(not that I think what they have now is not fun).

Toyota's sales numbers are up 30% YTD. People must like beige.
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They just remember them being reliable and cheap and don't care at all what they drive. You don't make new sales based on this type of corporate strategy.
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People who end up going with Toyota or Honda CUV's don't care about AWD or are ignorant. "Just enough" AWD is good enough for them for those who don't care.


The only other competitor that I can think of at the moment that has an AWD system comparable to the one in the Subaru Forester is the Kia Sportage with AWD added (talking about non-luxary brands here). Both have a turbo trim as well. The only car manufacturers who can talk about all around visibility in the CUV segment besides Subaru would be VW with the Tiguan.

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Old 09-22-2012, 12:04 PM   #89
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Not sure if this pic has been flaring around but some person posted what looks like a chopped image that may resemble the real deal.

Take it for what it's worth. It is a bit old but they seem to say that it's close.

http://subarublog.files.wordpress.co...ester-2013.jpg

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Not sure if this pic has been flaring around but some person posted what looks like a chopped image that may resemble the real deal.

Take it for what it's worth. It is a bit old but they seem to say that it's close.

http://subarublog.files.wordpress.co...ester-2013.jpg
I hope not. The MY09-MY12 Subaru Foresters have a good approach angle because they don't have the front lip like other CUV's that try to flash it off for styling (like the CX-5).
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Old 09-23-2012, 06:01 PM   #91
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ttp://sylphys.ddo.jp/upld2nd/car2/src/1348395302355.jpg

Here you go guys - straight from one of the japan forums. The pics seem like it was taken at an angle so it looks like an XV somewhat but the guys who saw the brochures at the dealership said it is the real deal.

Just passing y'all the info I just saw.
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2.0XT looks like a 2013 Veloster or Genesis Coupe.
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Good job subaru
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2.0XT looks like a 2013 Veloster or Genesis Coupe.

That looks hot.
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The pics seem like it was taken at an angle so it looks like an XV somewhat but the guys who saw the brochures at the dealership said it is the real deal.

I agree, it has a XV flavor to it. I am just curious how the XV and Forester will do next to each other especially with the Forester having a larger + more powerful engine (FB25) as well as more passenger and cargo room. I assume ground clearance and mpg's will be similar between the two. Forester 2.5X Premium might cost $2000-2500 more than the XV Premium, but you will get some extra features like moonroof and power driver's seat as standard.

Well, look forward to official price and vehicle info to be released. But the leaked pictures are very encouraging.
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They are going to sell a million of those foresters!!!!
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Dang, I think I like. A lot. This will be mama's new baby rig. XT Touring. I see reflectors still - no projectors... Hopefully they keep the HIDs on the Touring. If they can squeeze 21/27/23 out of it Ill be happy.

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Old 09-23-2012, 10:02 PM   #98
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2.0XT looks like a 2013 Veloster or Genesis Coupe.
No more hood scoop for the XT models. I wonder if Subaru will remove the hood scoop from the next wrx/sti also.
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No more hood scoop for the XT models. I wonder if Subaru will remove the hood scoop from the next wrx/sti also.
So wtf is the IC at? They didn't pull a Mazda did they? They didn't pull an Audi S4 with the weird side bumper thangars did they?
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Old 09-23-2012, 10:32 PM   #100
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Looks like there are two additional vents down in the fog light area that are not there on the NA model.

Different piping for a "scoop" for sure,unless they are using two smaller IC's that sit down in that area. Which actually makes a lot of sense considering where the turbo placement is on the FB motor.
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