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Old 09-22-2012, 02:43 PM   #51
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So what are guesses/predictions for new USDM Forester? Any guess on engine stats, mpgs...etc.?
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Old 09-22-2012, 03:02 PM   #52
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Looking for a fight much, brodawg?
Psh, definitely. All of the manual-only people on this forum remind me of the retards who buy manuals and bash automatics because it's the man's thing to do when I'm pretty sure automatics are part of the reason why they're even breathing today. ;D I love knocking manual-only enthusiasts.
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Old 09-22-2012, 03:11 PM   #53
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what's sadder is that other nasioc members are critical of your statement that would seem so obvious to most yet apparently needs to be branded into the forehead of every SOA corporate exec in order for it to sink in

hyundai is already offering 8 speed autos for crying out loud
More isn't always better.
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Old 09-22-2012, 04:33 PM   #54
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So what are guesses/predictions for new USDM Forester? Any guess on engine stats, mpgs...etc.?

Pretty obvious it gets the CVT so my guess will be Crosstrek kind of MPG. I would also think EPAS will be there and I hope the turning circle gets a little tighter.
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Old 09-22-2012, 04:34 PM   #55
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More isn't always better.

More is always better!!! But I am going to wait for the 13 speed trannys.
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Old 09-22-2012, 04:58 PM   #56
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More is always better!!! But I am going to wait for the 13 speed trannys.
Lol. Might as well call it the "CVT" by then.
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Old 09-22-2012, 06:07 PM   #57
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Lol. Might as well call it the "CVT" by then.
Yeah. Kinda my point with all these people talking up these 6-7-8speed trannys yet crapping on CVTs.
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Old 09-22-2012, 07:38 PM   #58
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Pretty obvious it gets the CVT so my guess will be Crosstrek kind of MPG. I would also think EPAS will be there and I hope the turning circle gets a little tighter.

I agree with the CVT for the new model. I guess they will continue with the FB25 and maybe introduce the DIT in a XT? Question with the XT is whether it would be offered right away, or maybe in the 2nd year of the new model. Currently the Forester is at 27/21, so maybe it gets a bump to 30-31 hwy and 23-24 city based on new transmission and improved aero.
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Old 09-22-2012, 10:16 PM   #59
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I agree with the CVT for the new model. I guess they will continue with the FB25 and maybe introduce the DIT in a XT? Question with the XT is whether it would be offered right away, or maybe in the 2nd year of the new model. Currently the Forester is at 27/21, so maybe it gets a bump to 30-31 hwy and 23-24 city based on new transmission and improved aero.

I think more than that and I wouldn't doubt at all the XT with DIT would be available right away.
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Old 09-22-2012, 10:31 PM   #60
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Just looked at a loaded XT Touring tonight along with a loaded turbo '13 Santa Fe.
Getting very tough to consider a Forester with all of the Santa Fe comes with. Way better MPG, great looks, great power, 6spd auto, killer stereo, push button start/fabless entry, front / rear heated seats, adjustable electronic steering etc. etc. etc. The Forester is just plain WAY behind the times.
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Old 09-22-2012, 10:54 PM   #61
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Just looked at a loaded XT Touring tonight along with a loaded turbo '13 Santa Fe.
Getting very tough to consider a Forester with all of the Santa Fe comes with. Way better MPG, great looks, great power, 6spd auto, killer stereo, push button start/fabless entry, front / rear heated seats, adjustable electronic steering etc. etc. etc. The Forester is just plain WAY behind the times.
Kinda unfair to compare a last year model Forester vs. a brand new re-designed Santa Fe don't you think? Wait until the new Forester comes out.

Santa Fe doesn't have AWD standard, which is a $1750 option.
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^^^seems like a fair comparison. They are both sitting on the showroom floor.
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Old 09-23-2012, 09:38 AM   #63
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People cross-shop vehicles regardless of class, size, MPG, drivetrain, etc. Fairness really has no meaning here when it comes to demands and desire of the buyer.

It doesn't really matter in the end since the person buying any vehicle will have to deal with compromises and benefits of the vehicle(s) they decide upon. The Subaru Forester has its benefits and consequences as does the Hyundai Sante Fe. Let ignorant and inpatient people continue to be ignorant and inpatient. Learning the hard way seems to be just as rewarding as learning the easy way for people these days.

They can certainly take the hit if they want to trade in or they can stay satisfied with their initial choice.

The Hyundai Sante Fe isn't as off-road friendly as the current Subaru Forester though given the front lip for the Sante Fe. The Forester has better a departure angle. Same ground clearance (from measurements off the Internet) for both base models but the XT has .2 inches more. Not sure if that matters to most people given the slight difference.

The Subaru Forester is lighter and faster though by a lot. So either you want luxury and don't mind performance (Hyundai Sante Fe) or you want performance and don't mind not having luxury (Subaru Forester). At least, until we see the redesigned Subaru Forester, that's how it does against the redesigned Sante Fe.
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Old 09-23-2012, 09:46 AM   #64
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^^^seems like a fair comparison. They are both sitting on the showroom floor.
I'd love to see a "fair comparison" in the snow with hills and patches of ice. Then we'll see a real comparison.
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Snow tires.
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Snow tires.
You can put snow tires on a 2012 Toyota RAV4 and it still won't climb the same hill as a 2012 Subaru Forester with the same snow tires when only the right or left rear wheel has traction. The real comparison still stands either way regardless of snow tires or not.

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Old 09-23-2012, 11:29 AM   #67
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I had a '96 T-Bird with snow tires on all 4 - and often could not go forward on level snow/ice covered streets, even with 300lbs of sand in the trunk. Never had that problem with my OB or Impreza. The RAV4 and CRV both have problematic 4WD/AWD, IMHO - they get stuck....
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Snow tires.
I'm not really sure what point you are trying to make? Yes the Santa Fe is more "modern" with the standard features and optional equipment. I won't argue with that. It also gets better mpg's secondary to more modern engine and transmission. However you are accepting an inferior AWD system, inferior resale value, inferior off road capabilities and inferior heritage. If you just want a vehicle to drive to work and drop the kids off at school with, sure the Santa Fe might be a more comfortable ride. All I am saying is wait a few more months until the new Forester is unveiled. The current Forester won't be around for much longer.
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I'm not really sure what point you are trying to make? Yes the Santa Fe is more "modern" with the standard features and optional equipment. I won't argue with that. It also gets better mpg's secondary to more modern engine and transmission. However you are accepting an inferior AWD system, inferior resale value, inferior off road capabilities and inferior heritage. If you just want a vehicle to drive to work and drop the kids off at school with, sure the Santa Fe might be a more comfortable ride. All I am saying is wait a few more months until the new Forester is unveiled. The current Forester won't be around for much longer.
Anyone who would choose a vehicle of an older generation before a redesign instead of waiting deserves to buy it and take a hit if they plan to trade in. Let them be inpatient and give the dealerships more money. I'm sure a lot of people think they can survive with "just enough." ;D We usually see those people ruining it for everyone else because all-season tires are "just enough" for them to at 20 MPH below the speed limit.
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Anyone who would choose a vehicle of an older generation before a redesign instead of waiting deserves to buy it and take a hit if they plan to trade in. Let them be inpatient and give the dealerships more money. I'm sure a lot of people think they can survive with "just enough." ;D We usually see those people ruining it for everyone else because all-season tires are "just enough" for them to at 20 MPH below the speed limit.
Sometimes people don't have the luxury of waiting. And sometimes people just need transportation.
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Old 09-23-2012, 02:19 PM   #71
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Sometimes people don't have the luxury of waiting. And sometimes people just need transportation.
And that's normal for those who don't have the audacity to perform the job of preparation. Those people obviously will not have any luxury of waiting if they can't prepare
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Old 09-23-2012, 06:20 PM   #72
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Psh, definitely. All of the manual-only people on this forum remind me of the retards who buy manuals and bash automatics because it's the man's thing to do when I'm pretty sure automatics are part of the reason why they're even breathing today. ;D I love knocking manual-only enthusiasts.
Sir, YOU are the only one talking manual vs auto, due to your lack of reading comprehension (even after clarification.)

I'm looking ahead at my next vehicle, and while I used to be the type who said, "I'll always own a manual," I've grown and now consider the CVT a must if I'm going to upgrade to something like the Forester or Outback.
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Sir, YOU are the only one talking manual vs auto, due to your lack of reading comprehension (even after clarification.)

I'm looking ahead at my next vehicle, and while I used to be the type who said, "I'll always own a manual," I've grown and now consider the CVT a must if I'm going to upgrade to something like the Forester or Outback.
I agree with this. In something performance-oriented, the manual makes sense. Having driven the newer Outback, Legacy and Impreza (and owned a Forester Sports XT with 5-speed), I can say that a CVT really does complete the package with those cars for their purposes. If you want more control, get the WRX, STI or BRZ or older turbocharged variants of the Outback, Legacy and Forester with manuals.
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Don't get too upset guys. The Subaru AWD is superior, no doubt, but the current Forester is just as boring as any other small/midsize SUV. When the Forester stood out up till 2008 the "box" was fun and the XT with manual was a blast. Subaru is doing a great job driving the brand to increase sales, but that means getting less unique to capture more market. As far as winter transport, I value my prius more than an AWD system. In the DC area, some ding dongs in there powerful RWD sedans will get stuck on every major and minor roadway, blocking every entrance and exit getting home. I had 5 strangers in my Prius keeping warm after there cars ran out of gas sitting on the road idling for 5 hours. If you can't move the powertrain doesn't matter. Before you blast me, I was once a hardcore Subaru guy and still love the brand, but the company is lagging in areas. Most people won't look at how the AWD system works, they just look at the trunk for the AWD logo.
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Don't get too upset guys. The Subaru AWD is superior, no doubt, but the current Forester is just as boring as any other small/midsize SUV. When the Forester stood out up till 2008 the "box" was fun and the XT with manual was a blast. Subaru is doing a great job driving the brand to increase sales, but that means getting less unique to capture more market. As far as winter transport, I value my prius more than an AWD system. In the DC area, some ding dongs in there powerful RWD sedans will get stuck on every major and minor roadway, blocking every entrance and exit getting home. I had 5 strangers in my Prius keeping warm after there cars ran out of gas sitting on the road idling for 5 hours. If you can't move the powertrain doesn't matter. Before you blast me, I was once a hardcore Subaru guy and still love the brand, but the company is lagging in areas. Most people won't look at how the AWD system works, they just look at the trunk for the AWD logo.

Much of what you wrote makes no sense. Maybe your 5 strangers ran out of gas cause they didn't have enough gas in the tank that morning. Not sure exactly where Subaru is lagging?
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