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Old 03-30-2012, 12:15 PM   #51
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Old 04-02-2012, 03:52 AM   #52
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Does anyone know (or maybe Michael can chime in) if the ETS fits the 2012 WRX's? I'm a huge fan of ETS' parts since I bought a 4" FMIC for my 08 Evo years ago... the thing was built so well... a work of art I almost wanted to hang on my wall instead putting it on my car lol. I did put it on the car though.................. after a while
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Old 04-02-2012, 10:29 AM   #53
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So back to my question, if you have a pre 08 WRX/STi would you choose a PW over a Spearco and why? I kinda like the y-pipe outlets are farther apart on the PW but not sure if that makes a difference performance wise. Also, not sure if the fact the PW has much more surface area is better that the more compact but taller Spearco. Also, Spearco just looks like a brick with the 4.5" height this chunk of allumimum must be tough to cool off when heat soaked, no?

I already have custom splitters for both options so please don't bring the PW is better because it comes with splitter, I also have custom brackets so again fitment is not an issue either, I want to hear opinions solely on performance not splitter or fitment or cost difference.

My vehicle is a pre 08 so consider that too.

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Old 04-02-2012, 07:52 PM   #54
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I have process west top mount for 2yrs already on a blouch TD06 8cm 20G .
its been great still looks new.

ether process west or ETS you cant go wrong .
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Old 04-02-2012, 09:34 PM   #55
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who cares bout looks, I want function over form, bump.
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Old 04-02-2012, 10:12 PM   #56
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Also, Spearco just looks like a brick with the 4.5" height this chunk of allumimum must be tough to cool off when heat soaked, no?
Takes about 100yds at 35mph or more.
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Old 04-03-2012, 01:51 AM   #57
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^thinking about drag strip, i have a local 1/8 and can do up to 20 runs in an evening.
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Old 04-05-2012, 08:47 AM   #58
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I'll be able to adress the maximum effectiveness of the PW TMIC by the end of april if it up to the task of handeling some extreme air flow. I believe I have the largest turbo any once can strap to a TMIC which is the Dom5.
Allbeit my tmic is slightly modified with heat insulation but it should tell a good deal about the effectiveness of the core itself and not what the core with heat soaked end tanks would only do.

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I thought the y-pipe ports were farther apart on the PW.
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Old 04-05-2012, 12:21 PM   #60
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I'll be able to adress the maximum effectiveness of the PW TMIC by the end of april if it up to the task of handeling some extreme air flow. I believe I have the largest turbo any once can strap to a TMIC which is the Dom5.
Allbeit my tmic is slightly modified with heat insulation but it should tell a good deal about the effectiveness of the core itself and not what the core with heat soaked end tanks would only do.

I have the largest stock location with a TMIC. The FP Black 68 lb/min
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Old 04-05-2012, 12:56 PM   #61
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I just wanted to add that Process West is awesome when it comes to customer service. Had an issue with my oil cooler sandwich in 05' I guess?, but talked to Kev over the phone and he didn't even question what I told him and quickly sent out a totally new kit to me. I run all thier products on my car and can say that I haven't had a single problem with them for over 6 years now. The sandwich block wasn't even his fault being that they don't, or at least didn't, sell the Fram filters in Australia. He had recalled all his kits to make them work with ANY filter and mine just didn't make it back to PW. Asked if he wanted the lines and cooler back and he said keep it for my troubles.

You really can't beat the quality of Process West's products and Kev also puts alot of thought into each and every one of them. He even set me up with the last of the sheet metal front mounts to leave thier shop.
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Old 04-05-2012, 01:54 PM   #62
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I have the largest stock location with a TMIC. The FP Black 68 lb/min
10cm2 ftw
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Old 04-12-2012, 07:24 AM   #63
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So back to my question, if you have a pre 08 WRX/STi would you choose a PW over a Spearco and why? I kinda like the y-pipe outlets are farther apart on the PW but not sure if that makes a difference performance wise. Also, not sure if the fact the PW has much more surface area is better that the more compact but taller Spearco. Also, Spearco just looks like a brick with the 4.5" height this chunk of allumimum must be tough to cool off when heat soaked, no?

I already have custom splitters for both options so please don't bring the PW is better because it comes with splitter, I also have custom brackets so again fitment is not an issue either, I want to hear opinions solely on performance not splitter or fitment or cost difference.

My vehicle is a pre 08 so consider that too.
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Old 05-28-2012, 02:30 AM   #64
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I'm very glad this ETS TMIC has come out with the 21 x 7 x 4 core. I also very much like the fin density. There is real potential for this to be the best performing TMIC on the market. It's also exactly the intercooler I called Spearco and asked them to make 2 years ago when I started building my '08 sti. To get it done I bought a used 18.4 x 6.5 x 4.5 Spearco, and it does perform (cools down just fine as others have pointed out, and I have no under-hood ducting), but I'll chime in with the others here- I'd like to see head-to-head testing with the ETS in order to justify if I should swap out my Spearco. I'm not all that hung up on price or fitment, I want to know, does it work better or not?

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Old 06-24-2012, 10:13 PM   #65
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I think you would be fine with the ETS or Process West. I know there are people out there running the Spearco TMIC with 35R size turbos and pushing 600 WHP with them on E85. I've heard good things about the Process West and it's ability to handle 450 WHP. I think there is plenty of information on here to help you make the right decision.

Personally I'm going with the Process West for my 2012 WRX and a EFR 7670, with 91 oct and E85 if I can get a hold of it on consistent basis. I'm sure it will go well.
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Old 08-31-2012, 09:04 PM   #66
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Michael,
Do the current ETS TMICs have the the machining location of the blow off valve corrected?
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Old 09-22-2012, 06:58 PM   #67
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I have a ETS TMIC and used it with my VF48. I am now doing a MPS LR 2.5, D25 heads w/ cnc bowl blend, dogleg blend and mild pnp, +1mm valves and VT with Kelford R199B cams and a Dom 3.5xtr Tial MVR, Killer B Holy headers, TGV deletes and ALL the supporting mods. Both the hard pipe and my Forge BOV bolted onto the TMIC no problems. We will see how this inter-cooler does with the new build. I think the biggest issue will be with dyno tuning and heat soak, as it's not real life conditions. Anyone have any tried and true techniques that may help with the heat soak and on the dyno? Tuning should take place mid October in Chicago so not too hot.
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Old 09-25-2012, 06:48 PM   #68
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First hand reports to me and data reported by Jeff Perrin indicates that a well set up dyno will actually keep a top mount cooler than on the road. I suspect heat soak occurs because the car's cooling systems can't cool the engine fast enough to keep up with the heat generation, however the cooling equipment itself- the surfaces of the radiator and intercooler are about as cool as when you started on the dyno. The point is that the problem lies not with the dyno environment and entirely with the limits of the hardware on the car. But then that's the point, isn't it? Looking forward to hearing the results.
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manitou, why did you go ETS when PW SEEMS to offer a better design and includes FXT specific splitter?

By better design I mean y-pipe ports are farther apart on PW making it more efficient at cooling.

ETS closer y-pipe ports and smaller ports due to studs vs PW:



PW larger and farther apart ports, also no sharp angles and greater internal volume of welded ports for better charged air distribution:



Someone prove me wrong before I pull the trigger on the PW, I have a splitter that can work with the ETS so PW splitter is not a decision factor in my case.

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^^ Why get one with less charge rows? Your missing 1/2 the heat transfer plates. We are also not a fan of the silicone which balloon and contracts under throttle.

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Yes! They have been corrected.
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^^ Why get one with less charge rows? Your missing 1/2 the heat transfer plates. We are also not a fan of the silicone which balloon and contracts under throttle.

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You may have a point but not half, 32 Charge Rows (Competitors: 24 Charge Rows), which still should make a noticeable difference. 99% of aftermarket TMIC users buy silicon y-pipes or am I missing something? Will my Forester stock y-pipe work with the ETS then?

What is the difference between the 2005-2008 Forester TMIC and 2004-2007 STi TMIC of same year range?

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Old 09-25-2012, 08:25 PM   #73
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manitou, why did you go ETS when PW SEEMS to offer a better design and includes FXT specific splitter?

By better design I mean y-pipe ports are farther apart on PW making it more efficient at cooling.

ETS closer y-pipe ports and smaller ports due to studs, I bet nobody has ever realized this shortcoming vs PW:

Interesting. Need to calculate the cross-section of those ports and compare to subaru throttle body cross section, for example, to estimate potential horsepower loss, if any. Also, yes, the inlet ports appear to be offset towards center by about one row too much. Unless the baffling addresses this, some of the intercooler area is probably being wasted. Not sure the PW is much better though- their ports appear to be too far apart! Will have to measure my Spearco next time I have it off the car.

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manitou, why did you go ETS when PW SEEMS to offer a better design and includes FXT specific splitter?

By better design I mean y-pipe ports are farther apart on PW making it more efficient at cooling.

ETS closer y-pipe ports and smaller ports due to studs vs PW:



PW larger and farther apart ports, also no sharp angles and greater internal volume of welded ports for better charged air distribution:



Someone prove me wrong before I pull the trigger on the PW, I have a splitter that can work with the ETS so PW splitter is not a decision factor in my case.
Because I wanted to use my STI Y pipe and I had a JDM 02/03 STI splitter that fits and works perfectly with my Forester that is a full STI conversion w/ FXT FCM spacer delete. Junior Barrios, aka Junior2JZ, who tuned my XTI with the VF48 also commented that he felt it was one of if not the better TMIC solution on the market. My XTI with the stock long block and EWG made 360 WHP & 450 WTQ on E85 with this TMIC!

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^^ Why get one with less charge rows? Your missing 1/2 the heat transfer plates. We are also not a fan of the silicone which balloon and contracts under throttle.

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The ETS seems to have more charge plates, better cooling potential and fitment than the competition and I got it for a slightly better price than the Process West and the Spearco.

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Yes! They have been corrected.
^^ this is correct, mine fit perfectly and fit better than the OEM STI TMIC on my Forester XTI.

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You may have a point but not half, 32 Charge Rows (Competitors: 24 Charge Rows), which still should make a noticeable difference. 99% of aftermarket TMIC users buy silicon y-pipes or am I missing something? Will my Forester stock y-pipe work with the ETS then?

What is the difference between the 2005-2008 Forester TMIC and 2004-2007 STi TMIC of same year range?

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2004-7 STi
I wanted to use my stock STI Y pipe. The stock Forester Y pipe will not fit any of the STI TMIC's IIRC.
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Interesting. Need to calculate the cross-section of those ports and compare to subaru throttle body cross section, for example, to estimate potential horsepower loss, if any. Also, yes, the inlet ports appear to be offset towards center by about one row too much. Unless the baffling addresses this, some of the intercooler area is probably being wasted. Not sure the PW is much better though- their ports appear to be too far apart! Will have to measure my Spearco next time I have it off the car.

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I'll tell you I think we are splitting hairs on the port location. It's not as much about flow efficiency of the ports and tanks but more to do with what the IC core does with the air when it travels through there. All three mentioned are very good TMIC's. When I weighed out all the features and benefits I made my choice to use the ETS. With top mounts we are only going to go so far in the realm of horse power. I hope to find out very soon what the upper reaches are. Junior is making very big power with his HTA82 powered XTI and a Spearco and that is a testament to the Spearco. He now has a PTE 62xx turbo on the XTI and will potentially make more power and be quicker in the 1320 than his HTA82 Forester at 10.8. V8GLW, it seems to me that you over think things and struggle to make choices on parts and mods. Dude you do very good research and I think you just need to pick one and go with it. You're not gonna make too many mistakes, not you
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