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Old 09-17-2010, 10:31 AM   #226
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Just got the 3" Dual tip Whisper installed on my 05 STi last night. I already had the Maddad catless DP on the car and a stage 2 tune.

The fitment of this exhaust is really good. The muffler was perfectly centered. I did have an issue with the muffler tips touching the bumper, so i picked up some cheap longer hangers from O'reily's. With two of those on the muffler hangers, it sits perfect. I'll post some pics soon.

The sound is just amazing. None of the youtube videos do it any justice, especially the ones where people just rev it up in their garage. I am going try to get a video from outside the car, going wide open to redline. The sound is pure ear sex.

This exhaust may seem a bit pricey, but I feel like its truly worth every penny.
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Old 09-17-2010, 08:41 PM   #227
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dead centered, great engineering:
What hangers did you use?
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It also would not line up straight so I had to use some small hose clamps at the hangers, which is really not a problem.
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Old 09-18-2010, 01:12 AM   #228
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My wife helped me record a couple videos tonight. The first one is light acceleration and the second is full throttle from about 3500 rpms in 2nd. The videos were recorded on a Motorola Droid so its not the best but they do a better job capturing some of the sound than other videos I've seen. Hope these can help others.


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Old 09-18-2010, 09:35 AM   #229
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My wife helped me record a couple videos tonight. The first one is light acceleration and the second is full throttle from about 3500 rpms in 2nd. The videos were recorded on a Motorola Droid so its not the best but they do a better job capturing some of the sound than other videos I've seen. Hope these can help others.
great videos, my friends and car-enthusiast family members have been asking me to do a video just like this but I never got around to doing it. This exhaust is so quiet that I sometimes wonder if the rumble at WOT is really audible to others around me but your video has confirmed it! Thanks!

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Well, I made another post describing my issues with exhaust hangers. I am currently using Kartboy Extra Long Exhaust Hangers, size 15mm. Torque Solutions makes them as well so I guess you can go off of price.

However, the pictures are different as they were taken right after installation. In the pictures, I used two stock hangers in the front mounts and standard length 15MM Torque Solutions at the muffler. I tried to use the same aftermarket ones in the front mounts but because of how stiff they are, it was not easy to get them mounted. Even once mounted (it was a struggle), it made the center pipe rub against the underbody. So therefore, I just decided to get extra long hangers all around.

With this setup, the muffler hangs a little lower than the pictures, I'd say 1.5 inches maybe. I'll try to take a photo soon. It doesn't look as good when I first had it installed but I'm fine with it.

If you are like me and want stiffer hangers all around, then you can try using extralong ones in the front two mounts and standard length ones by the muffler. If it works, the muffler should hang a little shorter and look better. Again, it's not a guaranteed fit but from my painful experience with hangers, it seems like it'll work.

If you don't care about stiffer hangers, then stock ones will do just fine as they stretch.
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Old 09-18-2010, 11:01 AM   #230
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Well, I made another post describing my issues with exhaust hangers. I am currently using Kartboy Extra Long Exhaust Hangers, size 15mm. Torque Solutions makes them as well so I guess you can go off of price.

However, the pictures are different as they were taken right after installation. In the pictures, I used two stock hangers in the front mounts and standard length 15MM Torque Solutions at the muffler. I tried to use the same aftermarket ones in the front mounts but because of how stiff they are, it was not easy to get them mounted. Even once mounted (it was a struggle), it made the center pipe rub against the underbody. So therefore, I just decided to get extra long hangers all around.

With this setup, the muffler hangs a little lower than the pictures, I'd say 1.5 inches maybe. I'll try to take a photo soon. It doesn't look as good when I first had it installed but I'm fine with it.

If you are like me and want stiffer hangers all around, then you can try using extralong ones in the front two mounts and standard length ones by the muffler. If it works, the muffler should hang a little shorter and look better. Again, it's not a guaranteed fit but from my painful experience with hangers, it seems like it'll work.

If you don't care about stiffer hangers, then stock ones will do just fine as they stretch.
Thanks for info, I asked because after owning 2 Prodrives, I want to go back to a 2.5 Whisper. I've had one a couple years ago but the fitment sucked, it was slanted to the right in the 9-2X bumper cutout and looked bad. This was using standard Kartboy hangers on the muffler and one on the STi midpipe. And since I had a Prodrive Oval and an STi axleback at the time and only drove in the city, I returned the Maddad for a full refund.

And since now my commute is all highway, and I'm getting bored with the STi catback, I want a Maddad again but worried about fitment, but I sure loved the sound of it on the highway, no drone like with the Prodrive.
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Old 09-18-2010, 11:45 AM   #231
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Thanks for info, I asked because after owning 2 Prodrives, I want to go back to a 2.5 Whisper. I've had one a couple years ago but the fitment sucked, it was slanted to the right in the 9-2X bumper cutout and looked bad. This was using standard Kartboy hangers on the muffler and one on the STi midpipe. And since I had a Prodrive Oval and an STi axleback at the time and only drove in the city, I returned the Maddad for a full refund.

And since now my commute is all highway, and I'm getting bored with the STi catback, I want a Maddad again but worried about fitment, but I sure loved the sound of it on the highway, no drone like with the Prodrive.
Not a problem. No kidding about the no-drone with this exhaust. I mean, I forget I have an aftermarket exhaust sometimes unless I punch the throttle. Driving with driver side window down and passenger side up, it really makes it awesome as you can hear how quiet it is inside the cabin yet really sweet coming from the outside.
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Old 09-28-2012, 07:52 PM   #232
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I purchased my MadDad Whisper 3" Cat-back Dual Tip to replace a 3" HKS Hi-Power cat-back system. The HKS system was on my vehicle when I purchased it and initially I loved it. After a little over two years of ownership I was ready for something quieter though. I never thought I'd actually be saying that. I also wanted something that had a more factory appearance but at the same time looked different from the factory STi exhaust. I don't want my car to stand out too much from a factory STi.

I started searching for a quiet replacement. All I kept coming to was the Borla Hush and MadDad Whisper, there were others but these were the ones people seemed to stand by. I knew of the Borla brand but not MadDad. I was very hesitant to purchase the product because it was expensive and I wasn't familiar with the brand. Lastly, I couldn't find a bad review for the product, not one that was backed by any real data. The one or two I did find were criticisms from people who I don't believe owned the exhaust...and those took me a little while to find.

You may be wondering why I mentioned that, well generally when researching a purchase, you want to know the positives as well as the negatives...not finding any negatives in my book leads me to believe something is wrong or there isn't enough of the product on the market to get a real review. This left more questions in my mind than anything else. However now I see why there were no complaints other than the exhaust being too quiet, which I read a few times...and the questionable bottleneck debate which wasn't a concern of mine, I don't plan on making much more power than my current setup.

Long story short I broke down and purchased the system. I installed it about 3 weeks ago now. My initial impressions were...this thing is loud. All the reviews I read claimed that the exhaust was instantly very quiet, I didn't understand. It was quieter than my HKS and yes the drone was lessened a great deal but overall the sound was just different more than it being quiet. However to my surprise after driving the car more and more I noticed that the exhaust seemed to get quieter than what it started at...I also read that this is supposed to happen.

I am assuming the exhaust is as low as its gonna get and the system had to break-in??? Honestly I don't want it to get any quieter. There is no comparison going from the HKS to the MadDad. The sound is cleaner and lower, it sounds good. I just took my vehicle to have it serviced and finally heard someone else driving it. It actually put a smile on my face. As before when I heard my car it just sounded like some loud Subaru, the sound is more defined now...I thought it sounded better from inside the car with the HKS system than outside, with the exception of the highway where is just droned. Now I am happy with both.

My only complaint is that the system doesn't come with 2 replacement gaskets and bolts for the down-pipe to cat-back. Since this was the first time I purchased an aftermarket exhaust system...I don't really know if this is common with more manufacturers, but I've read that some do provide these. I know the gaskets I removed were done and the MadDad only came with the axle-back gasket. Luckily I purchased a Grimmspeed gasket when I ordered the system...the exhaust also came with no directions and being a newb this sucked regardless of my access to the internet, I'd still like to see what the manufacturer recommends when installing the exhaust.

I do have a small exhaust leak that I can't hear but I noticed on warm up I could see condensation dripping from where the downpipe and catback meet so I will be replacing the Grimmspeed with something else...I think I got too thick of a gasket because this is the extra thick Grimmspeed gasket. This is of course no fault of MadDad, I am just mentioning what was initially driving me crazy during the installation but then I realized I couldn't even hear it once I drove the car.

The exhaust is great! The construction of this thing looks awesome, its quiet, still provides that boxer sound but much cleaner and more enjoyable IMHO. The dual tip looks great which was initially a concern of mine because of the size of the tips from pictures on the web but it looks like it should be there in person...I will add a photo later. This is the most expensive mod I've done to my vehicle...and others have come very close to this price...but I have to say its the best money I've spent.
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Old 09-29-2012, 03:46 AM   #233
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First up, congrats on your purchase from a fellow dual tip owner!

Actually I did find in my research before buying that the dual tip is a bit louder than the single tip. It's really when you get on it that it screams (in such an oh so sweeeeet way) One of my buddies with a Legacy GT says it sounds like a deep throaty Mustang GT at idle. (of which I love the sound of as well)

I was also worried when I first hooked up my system that it might be a bit louder than I was shooting for, but the refined tone and personality of this rig through out the rpm range is just so dynamic and dialed in from a deep burble to a tight screaming rally banshee when you put your foot in it... well, I got over it quick. LOL!!!

I did recently run the car with the stock DP on it and just had the catback section on {gee, guess what I was doing... } and it was a bit quieter - in fact, if I'd done that before just going whole hog with a TBE and a Stage 2 tune, I may have been content to stay there at Stage 1 for a while longer. (but certainly no regrets at this point!)
I'd say it was maybe 25% louder than a stock STI with my stock down pipe. The sweet rasp on the top end was a tad softer than in full TBE mode. I certainly didn't get the cool sputtery popping goodness of the unexpunged fuel not getting filtered out through the cats. (little stuff like that puts a grin on my face with this rig too)

And yes as you break a system in it can dampen a little but it shouldn't be by much and won't be an issue over time (shouldn't continue to get quieter). In fact over the years it might actually get just a tad louder again.

I love your comment about how "hearing" someone else drive your car put a smile on your face. Me too! And I love the mechanic or whoever coming back and telling me how much they dug how it sounded too and then we get into a whole MadDad discussion.

My MadDad DP came with gaskets, but I opted for better ones when I installed the system (as you did too I see). I got my CB section used actually and the guy threw in some decent ones for the CB section but I still replaced those for better later as well (see below). So I don't know if MadDad includes gaskets with their CB's but I'd think they would... Regardless, they seem like good people there - I bet they'd send you a couple if you gave them a call or wrote to them.

Interesting you had a small exhaust leak. So did I, and at the exact same spot. I showed it to my Suby dealer mechanic who's very mod friendly and he said it wasn't a big deal just some morning condensation at first start up dripping from that point, but when I took it to my tuner (Yimisport) they swapped out that gasket for a better one and hasn't been a problem since I got tuned. So you might want to get that checked out.

But yeah, the build on MadDad gear is top notch. Works of freakin' art! Before we installed it my buddy and I had to take detailed photos of their V2 downpipe. Just beautiful. If I had expendable funds I'd buy another just to have it to look at and show off!

Yeah I love the dual tip. Gotta chime in anytime I see someone that has one.
Congrats again, and if you need any arm-twisting to go all the way with a MadDad TBE just PM me. You think you have a grin on your face now, and with an STI even... I'm really good at helping other people spend their money. Just ask my friend about his Ferrari 355 Spyder purchase. LOL!

Cheers and welcome to the club!
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Old 11-07-2012, 08:25 AM   #234
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I was on the fence about whether or not to buy the Maddad Whisper and V2 DP, but now i'm convinced. Thanks for the great posts gentlemen!
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Old 01-18-2013, 11:29 PM   #235
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Hey Rich / MadDad crew:

Any news on the release of the 08+ WRX Sedan / Forester XT exhaust? Your web site says January and IT'S MAH BIRTHDAY so I want to purchase...let me know when I can!

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I just bought a Stromung dual tip 2.5 inch muffler. Posted a review in the 2.0 liter section. Great sound and no drone. I have 2002 WRX wagon.
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I just bought a Stromung dual tip 2.5 inch muffler. Posted a review in the 2.0 liter section. Great sound and no drone. I have 2002 WRX wagon.
Nice!

Now if Rich and his crew would just release my 2008+ sedan catback, all would be well with the world.... :-)
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I have had the Maddad V2 DP and 3" dual tip whisper for about 1.5 years. I wish I got the 2.5" because the 3" is just a little too loud. Don't let Rich talk you into 3" if you want don't want loud. Don't get me wrong, enthusiasts love the Maddad sound, but my mother thinks it sounds like a truck pulling in when I visit. That being said, the biggest issue I've had is with how the muffler is not centered under the bumper cutout. Also, the bracket for the midpipe hanger is off, so the hanger is super stretched to make it fit. I returned one catback because of these two problems, but the exchanged catback was the same. I told him it was better, but really it wasn't and I think it's one of the midpipe flanges, which is not welded square to the pipe. Rich claimed he had never had this problem even though I know (from reading threads) that it has been an issue. I decided to keep the crooked catback, but it's annoying every time I look at it. Now I know I want the 2.5" CB (getting older) but am worried about fitment. I guess I just wish aftermarket companies had the same QC as OEM.
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I wonder if the 2.5 would really be noticeably quieter than the 3".
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I would say you would only notice a difference during a cold startup. Other than that, at WOT, it is about the same.
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As it's been stated and well documented before, the 3" dual tip is louder than the 3" single tip.

I'll admit I knew this going in on my purchase and was still a little surprised after I installed my V2 DP & 3" dual tip (which fits perfectly with stiffer, longer Kartboy hangers at the muffler), however, I got over it REAL quick. ;-D And after I got a pro Stage 2 tune, the point was totally moot.

After a couple searches I was able to confirm the dual tip has a lovely scream at full throttle and maybe even a little deeper at idle compared to the single tip. At highway cruising speeds it's not an issue and there's no droning in the car. Driving around town it's on par with most healthy sounding stock Mustang GTs.

This is a high performance exhaust system that indeed produces impressive WHP & WTQ gains when tuned by a professional tuner or knowledgeable enthusiast.

If you just want a little more burble/growl, the best and cheapest bet is a used STI axle back.

If you don't mind losing the power gains of a full turbo back you can indeed use a stock down pipe with the 3" Dual Tip and it does tame things down a bit yet retains a great boxer burble. If you're not able to figure it out your mechanic easily can and it's vey cheap. A totally different option if you still want some power gains but only a little more sound, keep your V2 DP and again get a used good condition STI cat back.

If you're serious about making power gains then the full Mad Dad package isn't an issue.

Want to keep it all 3", then find a quieter muffler/catback.

There's a sticky here somewhere from Unibomber that lists sound level ratings of many exhaust systems with different combinations of cat back/ DP combinations.

And for the record my 72 yr old mom digs the sound of my car when I go visit. (lucky me I guess)











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I have had the Maddad V2 DP and 3" dual tip whisper for about 1.5 years. I wish I got the 2.5" because the 3" is just a little too loud. Don't let Rich talk you into 3" if you want don't want loud. Don't get me wrong, enthusiasts love the Maddad sound, but my mother thinks it sounds like a truck pulling in when I visit. That being said, the biggest issue I've had is with how the muffler is not centered under the bumper cutout. Also, the bracket for the midpipe hanger is off, so the hanger is super stretched to make it fit. I returned one catback because of these two problems, but the exchanged catback was the same. I told him it was better, but really it wasn't and I think it's one of the midpipe flanges, which is not welded square to the pipe. Rich claimed he had never had this problem even though I know (from reading threads) that it has been an issue. I decided to keep the crooked catback, but it's annoying every time I look at it. Now I know I want the 2.5" CB (getting older) but am worried about fitment. I guess I just wish aftermarket companies had the same QC as OEM.
I think what us wagon owners need to consider is that a lot of the parts our there for WRXs/STis were designed with those sedans as a platform. Some parts should bolt on just fine with a minor clearance issue here or there. And most parts go on just fine with no issues. In example, I have the Maddad Metal Essentials bellmouth DP and there was a welded on bracket near the middle of the DP that was clearly far off from any mounting point of the transmission case. I called Rich and he said don't worry about it, the DP was designed with the STi so it was made to bolt against the STi transmission case.

While I'm not saying you should need to spend more money to make something work, but have you considered using kartboy extra long exhaust hangers? I used all 4 or 5 (can't remember) and it seems quite perfect to me, albeit maybe half an inch too low (but I am a bit nitpicky/OCD).

I don't think Rich would talk you into anything unless the needs and wants that you explained to him is what leads to his recommendation. I have had plenty of conversations with Rich on the phone and via e-mail and he has been nothing but exceptional. Yes, he might take a long time via e-mail but if you know his business, you would understand. That's just me though.
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Concerning the DB levels of the Whisper, I should clarify that the sound isn't too loud, just louder than I expected at WOT, and I never hear drone on the highway. If anything the exhaust makes me drive more conservative through town, which is a good thing. I did a lot of searching before deciding on the Maddad Whisper, and the only thing I would do differently would be to order the 2.5" instead of 3", but I would get another Maddad any day. Rich is very helpful, and I admit he didn't exactly twist my arm to get me to order the 3". I was on the fence anyway, and all he said was that many people who buy a 2.5" later want a 3". Well, maybe I'll get a 2.5" someday, maybe I won't. I mostly wanted to impress upon perspective buyers who's concern is DB levels, that maybe 2.5" is the way to go.

Now, about the fitment. I'm not sure how the long hangers would help to center the muffler under the bumper cutout. The only thing that seems to work is placing hose clamps around the hanger brackets to force the hangers to sit off center on the brackets, thereby centering the muffler. There are others who have posted this same issue, and from the pics, the muffler is always leaning to the right. As for the midpipe hanger, I feel the bracket on the midpipe was just welded in the wrong place. I don't think it's causing any issues, the hanger is merely stretched and twisted.



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