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Old 10-02-2012, 06:35 PM   #1101
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I was driving on the masspike a few hours ago, and saw a car carrier heading west completely fully loaded with the crosstreks. 4 in the tangerine.
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Old 10-02-2012, 11:19 PM   #1102
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To Subaru's credit, the ivory fabric cleans up easily. Put down black carpeted mats or rubber mats and it helps a lot while still looking sharp (plus your orig mats can be kept spotless for future resale).

But yeah, it'd be nice if you could get a choice of interior color.
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Old 10-03-2012, 12:31 AM   #1103
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Apparently the dealership where JustyWRC works had a 2013 Outback in white with black interior. I almost flew down to buy it just for the rarity.

It still floors me that Subaru, a company known for being rugged and outdoorsy, would allow anything lighter than tan for their interiors. I know lighter helps make the inside look more spacious, but come on! It just looks tacky to me.

The 2012 Impreza loaner I had only stayed clean for about 1 day. Then my buddy just lightly touched the seat and door handle and it was over. Before that moment I thought, "Maybe I could live with an ivory interior?" Then reality rushed in. No ivory for Chano.
It is not just Subaru. About two years ago when my wife and I picked up an Acura MDX for her, we were also denied the option of a black interior with a white exterior.

I really hope it is not some new automotive industry trend that we will be seeing more of.
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Old 10-03-2012, 02:17 AM   #1104
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It is not just Subaru. About two years ago when my wife and I picked up an Acura MDX for her, we were also denied the option of a black interior with a white exterior.

I really hope it is not some new automotive industry trend that we will be seeing more of.
I believe that the real trend is moving to more "standard (in the eye of the car maker)" options to lower manufacturing costs - damn the customer.
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Old 10-03-2012, 07:22 AM   #1105
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argggggg! why cant i get a black interior with white exterior! i dont want a tan interior.. stupid subaru..
Yeah. I hear ya. Like a reverse Oreo!

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Old 10-03-2012, 12:34 PM   #1106
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I believe that the real trend is moving to more "standard (in the eye of the car maker)" options to lower manufacturing costs - damn the customer.
Even BMW is doing trim levels now...
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Old 10-03-2012, 01:03 PM   #1107
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Do you honestly think that people who's job it is, to sell whatever Subaru builds, are going to hammer on a new product that is getting a push into the market?

Like the other guy said, we usually talk straight to each other. I'll actually tell my customers the downfalls of our cars. Compared to the competition and the overall "value" of those cars, the shortfalls of the Subaru's really isn't horrible.

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Apparently the dealership where JustyWRC works had a 2013 Outback in white with black interior. I almost flew down to buy it just for the rarity.
We sold it and the salesman didn't tell her about the unicorn she has.

Of course ya'll know that Twighlight Blue and Venetian Red can have either interior. I was told that may be expanded upon in the coming years.
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Old 10-03-2012, 04:08 PM   #1108
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I believe that the real trend is moving to more "standard (in the eye of the car maker)" options to lower manufacturing costs - damn the customer.
I don't care as much about standardizing options or option grouping. It isn't the greatest for the customer, but it doesn't bother me as much as most on here. What bothers me is interior colors. Black, singlehandedly the most desired interior color in my opinion, should be the standard on all exterior colors and other interior colors really should be an option. Granted, that is just y opinion and I am sure that someone, somewhere, will disagree with me.
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Old 10-03-2012, 04:44 PM   #1109
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I don't care as much about standardizing options or option grouping. It isn't the greatest for the customer, but it doesn't bother me as much as most on here. What bothers me is interior colors. Black, singlehandedly the most desired interior color in my opinion, should be the standard on all exterior colors and other interior colors really should be an option. Granted, that is just y opinion and I am sure that someone, somewhere, will disagree with me.
I tend to agree. If there are three interior colors available, one should be able to pair their choice if interior color to the exterior color - even if they have to special order the car. Let run-of-the-mill be run-of-the-mill and special be special.
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Old 10-03-2012, 04:54 PM   #1110
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I don't care as much about standardizing options or option grouping. It isn't the greatest for the customer, but it doesn't bother me as much as most on here. What bothers me is interior colors. Black, singlehandedly the most desired interior color in my opinion, should be the standard on all exterior colors and other interior colors really should be an option. Granted, that is just y opinion and I am sure that someone, somewhere, will disagree with me.

Maybe in SoCal but not here. Our customers can't understand why SOA sends us soo many black interior cars in the south. Most of our customers prefer the Warm Ivory interior.


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I tend to agree. If there are three interior colors available, one should be able to pair their choice if interior color to the exterior color - even if they have to special order the car. Let run-of-the-mill be run-of-the-mill and special be special.

That's what I think. Have your normal trims with whatever interiors they come with, but if a customer wants the other color interior, let them place a sold order with that option. They ARE starting to do it though with that blue and red though; so, I think it is just a matter of a couple years. That is, of course, if it is profitable for them.
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Old 10-03-2012, 05:55 PM   #1111
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I don't care as much about standardizing options or option grouping. It isn't the greatest for the customer, but it doesn't bother me as much as most on here. What bothers me is interior colors. Black, singlehandedly the most desired interior color in my opinion, should be the standard on all exterior colors and other interior colors really should be an option. Granted, that is just y opinion and I am sure that someone, somewhere, will disagree with me.
I'll disagree with you.

Having lived with a black interior, I have substantial preference for tan. I hate searing my butt on black leather seats when getting into a car that's been sitting in the hot sun.

Also, all black interiors are boring - no contrast. Especially in economy cars which may not have the production budget for trim elements made from brushed aluminum or wood. Since surfaces like the dash should always be black, a tan or gray interior provides an opportunity for some contrast without adding much cost.

On the staining issue, Subaru wised up a bit between 2007 and 2010, my dad's OBP Outback Ltd has black carpets with the tan seats and door cards. My car has tan carpets. I solve the carpet problem with MacNeill floor liners.

I agree that interior and exterior color choice should be independent. My preference would've been silver on tan, but red white and black were the only exterior colors offered with a tan interior. Red was hens-teeth rare, and black is too hard to keep clean and shiny, especially Subaru's black paint. That only left SWP, not that I'm complaining .
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Old 10-03-2012, 06:57 PM   #1112
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On the staining issue, Subaru wised up a bit between 2007 and 2010, my dad's OBP Outback Ltd has black carpets with the tan seats and door cards. My car has tan carpets. I solve the carpet problem with MacNeill floor liners.

I am remembering the 2008 model year. People(our customers) initially hated it but came to realize it was much nicer and not soo dirty looking.
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Old 10-03-2012, 07:35 PM   #1113
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I don't care as much about standardizing options or option grouping. It isn't the greatest for the customer, but it doesn't bother me as much as most on here. What bothers me is interior colors. Black, singlehandedly the most desired interior color in my opinion, should be the standard on all exterior colors and other interior colors really should be an option. Granted, that is just y opinion and I am sure that someone, somewhere, will disagree with me.
Exactly. Black/dark grey should be standard interior color and other colors should be an option. I live where it gets 100-110 for weeks on end during the summer. I don't mind black. I will not drive a car with a tan interior.


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Having lived with a black interior, I have substantial preference for tan. I hate searing my butt on black leather seats when getting into a car that's been sitting in the hot sun.

Also, all black interiors are boring - no contrast. Especially in economy cars which may not have the production budget for trim elements made from brushed aluminum or wood. Since surfaces like the dash should always be black, a tan or gray interior provides an opportunity for some contrast without adding much cost.

On the staining issue, Subaru wised up a bit between 2007 and 2010, my dad's OBP Outback Ltd has black carpets with the tan seats and door cards. My car has tan carpets. I solve the carpet problem with MacNeill floor liners.
Sure if you are going with leather, then maybe a tan will be a better option. However I don't like leather. I prefer cloth and I prefer black. Having had cars with tan interiors, I have noticed that seats/fabric gets dirtier much easier (or at least is noticeable whereas black is not as much). In addition from my experience and opinion, black fabric tends to fade/wear much better than tan does. Does beings to look old and grimy earlier. I don't like that.

I don't care about the carpets. Make them blue for all I care since they will be covered by all-weather mats anyways. It is the seats that matters most. Especially when you have kids that come in and out of the car after school or sports practice/events.

I also like an all black interior for the way it flows with the center dash/console. A tan colored fabric is too much of a contrast and looks like a cluster-fu#k to me. Just stands out as a sore thumb. Now if the dash was earth-toned as well to match the fabric color, that is another thing. But black dash and tan seats does not go together. Like wearing tan shoes with a black dress suit. That is a big no no. Tan shoes with tan suit. Black shoes with black suit.
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Old 10-04-2012, 06:48 AM   #1114
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The Subaru XV Crosstrek has been designated an IIHS Top Safety Pick. The IIHS didn't actually test the XV but, instead, determined it was an Impreza clone and thus the XV inherited Impreza's test results.

http://www.iihs.org/ratings/rating.a...6&seriesId=754
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The Subaru XV Crosstrek has been designated an IIHS Top Safety Pick. The IIHS didn't actually test the XV but, instead, determined it was an Impreza clone and thus the XV inherited Impreza's test results.

http://www.iihs.org/ratings/rating.a...6&seriesId=754
Proof they're broken and irrelevant. Ride height alone can change the way an accident happens and should not be overlooked.

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Old 10-04-2012, 10:24 AM   #1116
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The Subaru XV Crosstrek has been designated an IIHS Top Safety Pick. The IIHS didn't actually test the XV but, instead, determined it was an Impreza clone and thus the XV inherited Impreza's test results.

http://www.iihs.org/ratings/rating.a...6&seriesId=754
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Proof they're broken and irrelevant. Ride height alone can change the way an accident happens and should not be overlooked.

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I agree...buuuuut...the Crosstrek has a stronger body. Plus that ride height, I would think, would make it better. Do you want to be real low when you get T-boned by that bigger car, or higher? I am sure common sense was used in their decision a bit instead of spending the money to conduct all the same tests.
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Old 10-04-2012, 11:49 AM   #1117
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Money shouldn't matter. If it's a different model car then it should be tested separately on its own merit. What if there happens to be an inherent flaw with the Crosstrek that could've been foreseen? Are people's lives not worth the effort?
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Old 10-04-2012, 12:02 PM   #1118
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I'm sure japan did their own testing an before even releasing it.
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Old 10-04-2012, 12:20 PM   #1119
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Well, yeah, I'm sure, too. I just meant according to IIHS' standards. I was being dramatic. My bad, ya'll.
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Old 10-04-2012, 02:39 PM   #1120
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Money shouldn't matter. If it's a different model car then it should be tested separately on its own merit. What if there happens to be an inherent flaw with the Crosstrek that could've been foreseen? Are people's lives not worth the effort?
Exactly. Different car. Different setup. Should still be tested.
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Old 10-04-2012, 03:37 PM   #1121
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We sold it and the salesman didn't tell her about the unicorn she has.

Of course ya'll know that Twighlight Blue and Venetian Red can have either interior. I was told that may be expanded upon in the coming years.
How exactly does a car like that happen? I have always wanted a white exterior with black interior, but no go from Subaru. Where does this unicorn come from??
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How exactly does a car like that happen? I have always wanted a white exterior with black interior, but no go from Subaru. Where does this unicorn come from??
I think someone showed a picture that Canada gets white exterior, black interior Subies, so maybe a mix up there with a Canadian-purposed vehicle?
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Old 10-04-2012, 04:47 PM   #1123
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I don' see why Subaru doesn't at least offer the cars with either color.

Really, it is not too much to ask, and it just formulates a build sheet at the factory.

Even if they have standard inventory color combinations... why should they be the same for california, or minneapolis, or vermont?

I had to buy used from half-way across the country, to get a Garnet Red Legacy GT, with limited BLACK leather, with a 5-speed manual gearbox.... a 2005 model, when Subaru still offered the choice.

The other rarity is a Regal Blue Pearl '05 GT Limited 5-speed. After 2005, Regal Blue was not offered on the Legacy GT, only the 2.5i, until Newport Blue replaced it in 2007, with a taupe interior only.

2006 went to Paint color = interior color mandate, no variation on most models. It was a BAD move then, it still is now.

Ironically for those who want white with black... the 2009 Legacy GT Spec.B offered all of the GT paint colors, with black leather/blue alcantara seats in a black interior. That included pearl white. The only way to get a white Legacy with a black interior after 2005.

The only color that the 2009 GT offered, that was denied to the '09 GT Spec.B... was Newport Blue. GT mandated taupe interior with Newport Blue Pearl.

And if you want anything that isn't grayscale paint colors on a Spec.B... 2009 is the only year. Otherwise, all silver, diamond gray, or near-black from 2006-2008.

Subaru is KNOWN for blue on their performance cars... Spec.B didn't offer it, even though it had BLUE seat inserts.

Newport Blue Pearl looks GREAT with black interior... a Forester owner who swapped in an STI drivetrain, and a full STI black interior, with black leather Forester Limited seats... on a Newport Blue Forester... it looks fantastic.

But never offered for sale by SOA, even though the factory could easily build it. (even with the STI drivetrain if they wanted to.)
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Man, Hip, you had me up until "they could easily build it, even with the STI drivetrain". Now here comes Scrappy to bust a cap in dat azz.
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I don' see why Subaru doesn't at least offer the cars with either color.

Really, it is not too much to ask, and it just formulates a build sheet at the factory.
Reducing the number of potential combinations between major items lowers manufacturing costs and simplifies inventory management (which also helps lower cost). Dealers have an easier time selling the cars as well, because they have less of a chance getting stuck with a combination no one wants. Plus they don't have to deal with the customer saying "Oh well I like this car... But can you get one with a black interior from 300 miles away and bring it here?"

Fact is while I wanted a white Impreza with a black interior, it wasn't available and I just bought a different color. I am glad to see Subaru is opening up on the color options a bit on the Legacy (just for blue and red), but I don't expect to see that across all exterior colors.

If I could roll my own Subaru, I would be driving a white/black XV Crosstrek 2.5L with a 6 speed and the H/K audio package from the Legacy
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