526 wheel HP at 21 psi, playing with a stock shortblock - Page 2

STi Mikey · 09-10-2012, 11:55 PM

This is pretty cool. More proof that while not forever, these motors can last a bit at higher power levels using diligence.

I've personally had quite a few stockers living between 4-500 lately. Makes tuning more exhilarating, lol!

Nice job guys,

-Mikey

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Innovative Tuning · 09-11-2012, 08:02 AM

Tilton clutch.

Base pressure is 50 IIRC. I'm running a walbro 255 as a lifter from our custom fuel cell to our custom surge tank and then two 044 pumps out of that. I'd have to look up the IDC, but I have ID2000 injectors so it's probably getting up to 50-60% at this power level with the low rev limit.

Mikey I'll be curious to see how this works out. If I was just going to run drag passes I think I could get away with it for a while with careful monitoring and tune tweaking, but I'll only be running a few drag passes with it. I'll mainly be running it around road courses so it will be taking sustained abuse. Regardless of how this holds up in the near future, one of our built shortblocks is going in because the stock shortblock is a ticking time bomb at this power level.

ovielito · 09-11-2012, 08:23 AM

can you show a picture of the bay and how the turbo sits.

Innovative Tuning · 09-11-2012, 08:43 AM

This is a time attack build and we moved some things around to improve weight distribution, exhaust flow, improve aero etc. It's not even close to done at this point, but it is drivable. The turbo isn't in the engine bay. Sorry for being a bit cryptic, but we've had a number of our ideas "borrowed" so I'd like to get this build a bit further along before posting pictures of certain things.

lancelucas · 09-11-2012, 10:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Innovative Tuning

Regardless of how this holds up in the near future, one of our built shortblocks is going in because the stock shortblock is a ticking time bomb at this power level.

Always a shame to see destroyed cylinder heads and oiling components

Thanks for sharing and nice work Mike. Great reminder that careful tuning and driving does work.

Innovative Tuning · 09-12-2012, 07:23 PM

New subframe is in, axle will be here in the morning, back to the track Friday.

Lex Brown · 09-13-2012, 02:51 PM

Sweeet Ride!

Speed · 09-13-2012, 10:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Innovative Tuning

Thanks folks.

Spoolinred the pink line and scale on the right of the graph is boost. It would spool sooner with aggressive boost control settings, but I just set a flat duty cycle for now.

I'd rather not know what the stock block HP record is because I'll probably do something silly and try to break it.

wagonator I'm expecting 650-700 wheel HP at 30 psi based two similar setups I've tuned before.

The stock block record was done a lonnngggg time ago by Georgie Performance in PR. It was something like 634WHP and it ran 10.34@138-140. I think it had a old school T66 with nitrous and Gadiel tune it. Anyway that was like 7 or 8 years ago.

GMS06obp · 09-13-2012, 10:37 PM

Impressive, in for videos!

Innovative Tuning · 09-14-2012, 08:59 AM

It's going to rain today in the early afternoon so they won't be running the drag strip at night. I guess I'll need to wait another week to make a pass, but I'll be on the road course with the car today as long as it stops raining.

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Originally Posted by Speed

The stock block record was done a lonnngggg time ago by Georgie Performance in PR. It was something like 634WHP and it ran 10.34@138-140. I think it had a old school T66 with nitrous and Gadiel tune it. Anyway that was like 7 or 8 years ago.

It's odd that nobody else seemed to know about this. Post a link to the thread so we can check it out.

Speed · 09-14-2012, 07:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Innovative Tuning

It's odd that nobody else seemed to know about this. Post a link to the thread so we can check it out.

It took me a while to find it... but here it is... from April 2006.

http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthread.php?t=987243

We had more info of this car in a local forum... but the site is history now. I still have a video of this car running 9.88@142 in one of my HDD's. But that was with rods and pistons. At the time nobody thought it was a big deal, now days I think that was a huge accomplishment.

I know there is lot more people running 9's in their cars now, but back in the day (2004-2007) it was these guys the only one's running 10's an 9's. All kinds of record are still standing from way back then.

You don't hear about them anymore because most of them have move on to bigger and better things. Here's one for example:

PREDATOR Blue Thunder GT-R 8.86 @ 163 MPH - YouTube

But I still have my STi though.

I just talked to Roly today, and he got a 2011. Maybe we can shoot for that 9's stock location record.

Innovative Tuning · 09-15-2012, 10:27 AM

Cool thanks for finding that. I went back to the track last night and blew an axle on the road course again so I didn't get to run it down the strip. Hopefully I'll get to the drag strip soon.

Zee Biker · 10-02-2012, 11:18 AM

You said shortblock: what headwork/cams was done on this?

Innovative Tuning · 10-02-2012, 11:24 AM

I forgot to update this. I've beat the stock engine up several times now on road courses. DSS totally reworked the axles and they've been solid. Mine were an older design and are now updated. It has rained the last two times to the track so only the road course was open. I'm going to Watkins Glen for two full days of lapping it next week so I may kill it before I make it to the drag strip. I have over 100 drag hundred passes worth of full throttle pulls on the road course on it and I've been revving it pretty high and sliding it etc.

The heads are not stock. They're ported and I have upgraded cams and gears we degreed.

Paidfor · 10-02-2012, 11:34 AM

Very impressive guys ! ! !

thorne · 10-04-2012, 07:17 PM

Keep pushing her!!!!!
What do you consider aggressive timing? Can you still add timing and pick up power or did you hit peak timing?

Innovative Tuning · 10-05-2012, 09:03 AM

I'm 3-4 degrees from peak power timing based on tuning I did on the built shortblock I had in the car earlier this year. I'm nowhere near the potential of the setup we have on the car, but the stock shortblock isn't going to take much more of this at the current power level.

stretchedk7 · 10-05-2012, 09:59 AM

Keep the timing low and add some boost just keep her rich

. She'll hold up.

Innovative Tuning · 10-05-2012, 10:05 AM

Careful tuning only goes so far. There's a reason we upgrade engines. I'm not pushing it further on a road course. If it survives these days at the Glen I will see if I can run a 9 second pass at a drag strip as is and if not I'll add a little more boost.

stretchedk7 · 10-05-2012, 10:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Innovative Tuning

Careful tuning only goes so far. There's a reason we upgrade engines. I'm not pushing it further on a road course. If it survives these days at the Glen I will see if I can run a 9 second pass at a drag strip as is and if not I'll add a little more boost.

Fair enough I thought you were just trying to go crazy on a stock block. If you want it to last a while I wouldn't go much more!!

Innovative Tuning · 10-05-2012, 10:15 AM

Yea I'm not trying to hit the limit and make parts fly, but I'm definitely asking for trouble at this power level and I know it won't last.

stretchedk7 · 10-05-2012, 10:20 AM

I think if you didn't road course it and drove it daily but not like a bat out of hell it would last a while.

Innovative Tuning · 10-05-2012, 12:45 PM

Yup it would definitely last a lot longer. Running it around a road course is just too much fun though.

Here's a couple laps at 420 wheel HP on 14 psi.

https://vimeo.com/49516782

stretchedk7 · 10-05-2012, 01:04 PM

What will break first do you think? Ring land? Did you guys open up the gap on the rings or is it really all stock sb?

07wrx84 · 10-05-2012, 01:19 PM

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Originally Posted by stretchedk7

Fair enough I thought you were just trying to go crazy on a stock block. If you want it to last a while I wouldn't go much more!!

That is crazy power!

09-11-2012, 08:02 AM	#27
Innovative Tuning NASIOC Vendor Member#: 67958 Join Date: Aug 2004 Chapter/Region: Tri-State Location: www.InnovativeTuning.com Vehicle: MY96 Time Attack and 06 STI daily	Tilton clutch. Base pressure is 50 IIRC. I'm running a walbro 255 as a lifter from our custom fuel cell to our custom surge tank and then two 044 pumps out of that. I'd have to look up the IDC, but I have ID2000 injectors so it's probably getting up to 50-60% at this power level with the low rev limit. Mikey I'll be curious to see how this works out. If I was just going to run drag passes I think I could get away with it for a while with careful monitoring and tune tweaking, but I'll only be running a few drag passes with it. I'll mainly be running it around road courses so it will be taking sustained abuse. Regardless of how this holds up in the near future, one of our built shortblocks is going in because the stock shortblock is a ticking time bomb at this power level. Last edited by Innovative Tuning; 09-11-2012 at 08:15 AM.

10-02-2012, 11:24 AM	#39
Innovative Tuning NASIOC Vendor Member#: 67958 Join Date: Aug 2004 Chapter/Region: Tri-State Location: www.InnovativeTuning.com Vehicle: MY96 Time Attack and 06 STI daily	I forgot to update this. I've beat the stock engine up several times now on road courses. DSS totally reworked the axles and they've been solid. Mine were an older design and are now updated. It has rained the last two times to the track so only the road course was open. I'm going to Watkins Glen for two full days of lapping it next week so I may kill it before I make it to the drag strip. I have over 100 drag hundred passes worth of full throttle pulls on the road course on it and I've been revving it pretty high and sliding it etc. The heads are not stock. They're ported and I have upgraded cams and gears we degreed. Last edited by Innovative Tuning; 10-02-2012 at 11:34 AM.

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09-10-2012, 11:55 PM	#26
STi Mikey Scooby Specialist Member#: 114631 Join Date: May 2006 Chapter/Region: Tri-State Location: TheShopCT / EFI LOGICS Vehicle: 2007 11.5 @ 118 Stock Turbo Record Holder	This is pretty cool. More proof that while not forever, these motors can last a bit at higher power levels using diligence. I've personally had quite a few stockers living between 4-500 lately. Makes tuning more exhilarating, lol! Nice job guys, -Mikey * Registered users of the site do not see these ads.

09-11-2012, 08:23 AM	#28
ovielito Scooby Newbie Member#: 209200 Join Date: Apr 2009	can you show a picture of the bay and how the turbo sits.

09-11-2012, 08:43 AM	#29
Innovative Tuning NASIOC Vendor Member#: 67958 Join Date: Aug 2004 Chapter/Region: Tri-State Location: www.InnovativeTuning.com Vehicle: MY96 Time Attack and 06 STI daily	This is a time attack build and we moved some things around to improve weight distribution, exhaust flow, improve aero etc. It's not even close to done at this point, but it is drivable. The turbo isn't in the engine bay. Sorry for being a bit cryptic, but we've had a number of our ideas "borrowed" so I'd like to get this build a bit further along before posting pictures of certain things.

09-12-2012, 07:23 PM	#31
Innovative Tuning NASIOC Vendor Member#: 67958 Join Date: Aug 2004 Chapter/Region: Tri-State Location: www.InnovativeTuning.com Vehicle: MY96 Time Attack and 06 STI daily	New subframe is in, axle will be here in the morning, back to the track Friday.

09-13-2012, 02:51 PM	#32
Lex Brown Scooby Newbie Member#: 331143 Join Date: Sep 2012	Sweeet Ride!

09-13-2012, 10:37 PM	#34
GMS06obp Scooby Newbie Member#: 332121 Join Date: Sep 2012 Vehicle: 06 wrx obp	Impressive, in for videos!

09-15-2012, 10:27 AM	#37
Innovative Tuning NASIOC Vendor Member#: 67958 Join Date: Aug 2004 Chapter/Region: Tri-State Location: www.InnovativeTuning.com Vehicle: MY96 Time Attack and 06 STI daily	Cool thanks for finding that. I went back to the track last night and blew an axle on the road course again so I didn't get to run it down the strip. Hopefully I'll get to the drag strip soon.

10-02-2012, 11:18 AM	#38
Zee Biker Scooby Specialist Member#: 166005 Join Date: Dec 2007 Chapter/Region: MWSOC Location: Northern 'Burbs Vehicle: 2005 Saab 92x Beaten Silver	You said shortblock: what headwork/cams was done on this?

10-02-2012, 11:34 AM	#40
Paidfor Scooby Specialist Member#: 267815 Join Date: Dec 2010 Chapter/Region: South East Location: 04STi JAVA Vehicle: EVO Woudve been Cheaper!!!!!	Very impressive guys ! ! !

10-04-2012, 07:17 PM	#41
thorne Scooby Newbie Member#: 130063 Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Ohio Vehicle: 2003 WRX Silb	Keep pushing her!!!!! What do you consider aggressive timing? Can you still add timing and pick up power or did you hit peak timing?

10-05-2012, 09:03 AM	#42
Innovative Tuning NASIOC Vendor Member#: 67958 Join Date: Aug 2004 Chapter/Region: Tri-State Location: www.InnovativeTuning.com Vehicle: MY96 Time Attack and 06 STI daily	I'm 3-4 degrees from peak power timing based on tuning I did on the built shortblock I had in the car earlier this year. I'm nowhere near the potential of the setup we have on the car, but the stock shortblock isn't going to take much more of this at the current power level.

10-05-2012, 09:59 AM	#43
stretchedk7 Scooby Guru Member#: 170602 Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: j-ville fl Vehicle: 06 Wrx 6Spd TSBorg Warner S400-Aem-2200s	Keep the timing low and add some boost just keep her rich . She'll hold up.

10-05-2012, 10:05 AM	#44
Innovative Tuning NASIOC Vendor Member#: 67958 Join Date: Aug 2004 Chapter/Region: Tri-State Location: www.InnovativeTuning.com Vehicle: MY96 Time Attack and 06 STI daily	Careful tuning only goes so far. There's a reason we upgrade engines. I'm not pushing it further on a road course. If it survives these days at the Glen I will see if I can run a 9 second pass at a drag strip as is and if not I'll add a little more boost.

10-05-2012, 10:15 AM	#46
Innovative Tuning NASIOC Vendor Member#: 67958 Join Date: Aug 2004 Chapter/Region: Tri-State Location: www.InnovativeTuning.com Vehicle: MY96 Time Attack and 06 STI daily	Yea I'm not trying to hit the limit and make parts fly, but I'm definitely asking for trouble at this power level and I know it won't last.

10-05-2012, 10:20 AM	#47
stretchedk7 Scooby Guru Member#: 170602 Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: j-ville fl Vehicle: 06 Wrx 6Spd TSBorg Warner S400-Aem-2200s	I think if you didn't road course it and drove it daily but not like a bat out of hell it would last a while.

10-05-2012, 12:45 PM	#48
Innovative Tuning NASIOC Vendor Member#: 67958 Join Date: Aug 2004 Chapter/Region: Tri-State Location: www.InnovativeTuning.com Vehicle: MY96 Time Attack and 06 STI daily	Yup it would definitely last a lot longer. Running it around a road course is just too much fun though. Here's a couple laps at 420 wheel HP on 14 psi. https://vimeo.com/49516782

10-05-2012, 01:04 PM	#49
stretchedk7 Scooby Guru Member#: 170602 Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: j-ville fl Vehicle: 06 Wrx 6Spd TSBorg Warner S400-Aem-2200s	What will break first do you think? Ring land? Did you guys open up the gap on the rings or is it really all stock sb?