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Old 10-04-2012, 12:12 AM   #676
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Now you've gone too far, a2cpc (you starchild, you).
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Old 10-04-2012, 08:01 AM   #677
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No, Really. I could take myself and just about everything I owned and go anywhere and still have room to stretch out in the back. Empty and modded, I could run with most BMWs of the day. It lasted over 100k, you could work on everything, would cruise at 75mph all day long(55 was the legal speed limit) and got a best MPG of 36.
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Old 10-04-2012, 11:39 AM   #678
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Threw up in my mouth a little. Thanks.


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Old 10-04-2012, 02:11 PM   #679
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No, Really. I could take myself and just about everything I owned and go anywhere and still have room to stretch out in the back. Empty and modded, I could run with most BMWs of the day. It lasted over 100k, you could work on everything, would cruise at 75mph all day long(55 was the legal speed limit) and got a best MPG of 36.
One of the first things I ever did as a kid when I was thinking, gosh, this whole being an automotive mechanic is cool (this was before mechanic was replaced with technician, and mechanic became a derogatory word), was rebuild a carb on a friends 1978 pinto and hunt down a vacuum leak.

good times.

OHV, crossflow heads (neither revolutionary), not a bad engine, stock.
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Old 10-04-2012, 04:00 PM   #680
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Yep, with a new cam, carburetor, intake manifold, headers, freeflow exhaust, shocks and tires it ran pretty well too.
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Old 10-04-2012, 05:00 PM   #681
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Yep, with a new cam, carburetor, intake manifold, headers, freeflow exhaust, shocks and tires it ran pretty well too.
The best lima application was the XR4Ti/Mustang SVO/T-bird TurboCoupe. Fuel-injected, rather than the early-fox-Mustang Turbo/carbureted engines that tried to mitigate the V8 during the 73-83 malaise era.

Add a late-90s, 2000s era dual-plug head from a ranger... you can probably tune a turbocharged lima 2.3 I4 to some decent output numbers.

I have heard of some sort of Volvo DOHC 4-valve heads being somewhat cross-compatible, too.

I think it would be hilarious to have a blast from the past sort of car... pinto wagon, Fairmont Futura, Mustang II fastback, early Fox Mustang, or something that is now pretty obscure...

With a tuned turbo 2.3, a robust Tremec gearbox, and a strong late model 8.8 or 9 inch disc-brake rear axle... and a renovated front suspension and Cobra brakes...

And take it to auto-crosses, or drift events, or whatever... and blow people's minds.

Nobody expects a 'vintage' malaise era car like that to have that sort of power, braking, and handling.

You could do it with a RWD small car from Chrysler (Plymouth Sapporo and Dodge Challenger, basically a Mitsubishi Galant coupe rebadged for the US), or a Chevy Vega or maybe even a Malibu or something small-ish from GM...

It would be hilarious to see people surprised by forgotten cars like those.
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Old 10-04-2012, 05:21 PM   #682
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...early Fox Mustang...
lol, one of my friends had a 83 capri, he had done some nice things to it, 5.0, heads from a different year for better flow, cam, a pretty nice carb, full mustang front clip. he called it his capri-stang.

he was convinced that he needed to put a quadrajet on it, I told him it was way too much carb for the engine size, he was convinced otherwise and bought a pizza and some beer. who was I to keep a man from his dreams when he offered beer/pizza to help him ruin his car?

we got an adapter plate, took off the old carb, slapped the bogger on there, of course it wasn't that easy, there was a lot of customizing that had to be done, even to make the adapter plate work. about 5 hours later we finish. and take it out for a quick spin around the block.

that was all it took for him to pull it back in the garage and we swapped the other carb back on I told him he could get it rejetted and maybe it would work, but his low end performance was always going to be crap, since the carb is built for a far larger engine. he said he'd think about it, and he still has it sitting on his desk almost 2 decades later.
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Old 10-04-2012, 05:31 PM   #683
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Yea, I had a buddy that had raced Cortinas while serving in England. He was the mentor for my car. Like I have said before I could terrorize all but a few BMW Tii in the Texas Hill Country around Austin during 1972/3. Even the Tii was vulnerable if his driving skill lacked.
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Old 10-04-2012, 06:16 PM   #684
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lol, one of my friends had a 83 capri, ... full mustang front clip. he called it his capri-stang.
Hopefully he kept the Capri front fenders... those boxed flares are nicer than the Mustang's wheel arches.

But I too like the pointed nose Mustang fascias... especially the 85-86 GT.

Sounds like he had a nice car. My dad had a 79 Capri when I was a kid, and I bought an 88 Mustang LX hatch with my own money when I was 17.

I had a cunning plan in my mind, waiting for disposable income to start a fox-body project car, to combine parts from Capris and Mustangs... I have always had a soft-spot for them... but I was way into it... like a Griggs Racing SLA front suspension conversion, and a modified SVT Cobra IRS in a re-inforced t-top Capri body... (those boxed rear fender flares... ) with all sorts of mustang-spec bolt-on body and drivetrain pieces.... I even wanted to go with either a highly tuned Lima I4 turbo engine, or I even considered a Volvo I6... just to be different than everybody who has a V8 Fox Mustang... and I like close-firing, well-balanced, smooth spinning I6 and H6 engines.


Then I realized... rather sharply, that in my head, I was turning a very-highly-modified Fox body Capri/Mustang into a Mark III Toyota Supra. And actually pretty close to a fairly stock MA70 Supra Turbo Targa-roof, at that.

I have wanted a Mark III Supra ever since. I discounted them mostly, because I thought that the Mark IV looked bloated, stylistically, and was too hyped by Fast and Furious street-racers, and didn't bother to look too closely at it's predecessor.

But that would be a garage-project car.

Still looking forward to what Subaru is going to pull out of their hat for the next WRX and STI for an AWD year-round daily driver, which is much more important, above a nice hobby.
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Old 10-04-2012, 08:16 PM   #685
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My buddy has a Mk. II Supra in his garage. Interesting car.
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Old 10-05-2012, 09:02 AM   #686
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XR4Ti/Mustang SVO/T-bird TurboCoupe.

late-90s, 2000s era ranger...

blast from the past... pinto wagon, Fairmont Futura, Mustang II fastback, early Fox Mustang, or something that is now pretty obscure...


Plymouth Sapporo and Dodge Challenger, basically a Mitsubishi Galant coupe ... Chevy Vega ... Malibu ...
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Capri...

But I too like the Mustang .. especially the 85-86 GT.

79 Capri ...I bought an 88 Mustang LX hatch

...fox-body project car...Capris and Mustangs... I have always had a soft-spot for them...

Mark III Toyota Supra. .

I have wanted a Mark III Supra ever since.
Suddenly it's clear why H2BS hates all new cars. They aren't a blast from the past, straight from the late 70's 80's, or obscure.
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Old 10-05-2012, 11:35 AM   #687
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He only buys used cars, so it's fitting.
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Old 10-05-2012, 12:16 PM   #688
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Can't someone appreciate both new and old? modern and vintage? classic and obscure?

I like ANY car that isn't boring.

I was just musing and being amused at the thought of an obscure older car, that most young automotive enthusiasts have never known, and most older enthusiasts have forgotten completely, to show up at a car show, autocross, track day, drift event, or whatever... and SURPRISE people, with a more powerful, possibly turbocharged engine swap under the hood. I think it would be fun, and funny to see people puzzle over what the heck it is, and why it is so fast for being so old and unknown.

That sure as hell wouldn't be my daily driver. I am not even really planning on doing it anyway as a project. It just crossed my mind.

For a daily driver, I wanted to, and would have bought a new car, if one meeting my straight-forward criteria were actually SOLD at an affordable price point.

I've been through that, and I don't need to correct your purposeful and malicious mis-characterization again. You are and have been obviously more concerned with trolling me, than actually having a conversation.
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Old 10-05-2012, 01:03 PM   #689
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Meh, that's what SoDealer does. It amuses me to see him mostly post just to attack you. It's bullying at it's finest. I imagine him to be your nemesis, so this forum kind of reads like a graphic novel for me.

I actually appreciated the throwback discussion since cars have only become a relatively new hobby of mine. I'm 28, but know nada about anything before mid-90's really. No appreciation, but now your guy's conversation has piqued my curiosity. Thanks.

It's good to know where cars of been since it makes me wonder about where they're heading.
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I imagine him to be your nemesis, so this forum kind of reads like a graphic novel for me.

I actually appreciated the throwback discussion since cars have only become a relatively new hobby of mine. I'm 28, but know nada about anything before mid-90's really. No appreciation, but now your guy's conversation has piqued my curiosity. Thanks.

It's good to know where cars of been since it makes me wonder about where they're heading.
it would be awesome if there were an artist out there who drew page by page for any online forum.

between the early 70s and mid 90s there's not much. There are a few standouts in the crowd of K cars and other crap that was out back then, but when there were years that the corvette struggled to make 200hp (and even a year where they just skipped production, 1983), it sucked to be an enthusiast.

it's why cars like the mid/late 70s firebird, mid 80s grand national, late 80s/early 90s syclone/typhoon, and other notable cars stand out, they were great cars in an otherwise desolate period for enthusiasts.

Hell, we see more sports (and sporty) cars being released in a 6 month period than they did in a whole 20 year span.

I don't think many gen x or later people really got an affinity as car guys until the early to mid 90s because of this.
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The 80's were simply a horrible decade for cars. Not a single classic although the rise of the Japanese cars started to ramp up with solid offerings like the Accord, Prelude, CRX, Celica, DSM, etc but as far as dometics go it was maybe their worst decade ever and the beginning of their decline. Ford, GM, and Chrysler were putting out complete trash left and right. You can make a case for the Fox body Mustang and maybe the IROC Camaro's but it was slim pickings for domestic cars.
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Taurus SHO...Grand National/one year turbo Firebird...Omni GLH...
Id put the 70s as the domestic lowpoint...

The big three still had alot of crap, but some engineers were working their way out.
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Early 70's were still good, mid to late 70's saw the demise into the 80's.
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Fun fact: In 1974, the 350 in the Firebird made 155hp.
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1973 was well into the decline of the muscle car. The oil crisis, and the advent of cheap cars from Japan that were much smaller and more fuel efficient than huge american cars.

The Carter years (76-80) go even further south. The first emission standards introduced smog controls... and strangled almost all american cars. Carbureted V8s getting well under 200hp, for instance, and I4's getting less than 100 in US tune, and running worse on the first versions of unleaded and alcohol-blended gas (then called Gasohol.)

The economics of inflation hammered the economy, and the car companies had trouble. Inverse of today's insurance rates, but similar end results on american households... less buying power, fewer jobs.

Reagan was elected by a landslide in 1980, and started resurging the economy by 1983, and the auto industry started re-surging and getting new energy... with cars like the C4 Corvette, the Fox Mustang, and the 3rd Generation F-body Camaros and Firebirds that started to really look good. Chrysler had the RWD Dodge Challenger and Plymouth Sapporo, which were re-badged mitsubishi Galant coupes, followed by the Mitsubishi Starion being re-branded as the Chrysler Conquest. But Chrysler, under the man behind the original Mustang, Lee Iacocca, was pushing FWD modular cars... called K-chassis, or K-cars... Everything from Aries and Reliant, to Daytona and LeBaron coupes... and then the advent of the Chrysler Minivan in the mid 80s.

The early-mid 80's RWD Mopars weren't as compelling as the much more popular Mustang, Camaro, and Firebird/Trans Am, in their second wind, after the 60's, and early 70's Muscle Car era. Other hot cars, like Buick Grand National also came out of the mid-80s.

The Japanese started following suit, and cars like the 2nd and 3rd Generation Toyota Supras, the Z31 300ZX had a new angular style, the RX7 got new FC-3S 2nd generation clothes, also. Subaru's Leone coupe spawned the RX-II 4WD Turbo, and the then-space-age Subaru XT. Also, with rising household incomes and wealth in a booming economy... people also moved up to cars like Porsche 944 Turbo, and BMW's E30 M3, and 635CSi. Mercedes had the AMG Hammer, while not a coupe... was one of the fastest sedans anyone had ever seen before.

By mid to late 80s, the focus was shifting in other brands toward FWD. Ford nearly had a riot on it's hands with the FWD Mustang, that due to outcry, became the Probe, and Mustang soldiered on with an adapted Fox platform until 2004.

Toyota's Celica (which Supra had been the I6 top-end trim), went FWD in 1986, and Supra continued as RWD, separate than Celica. Honda had been FWD most of the time already, with their Civic and Prelude. Nissan was also still selling the S-chassis 2+2 RWD, and also were bringing forward the Pulsar NX, and Sentra coupe as FWD competitors.

GM had Cavalier, and in the early 90s introduced the Saturn sedans and coupes, while trying to keep Oldsmobile relevant... which eventually failed.

The 90's in general was a time of refinement. The RWD cars got more powerful, both in the US, and from Japan. The FWD cars, including Honda's Acura Integra and Prelude, Toyota's Celica, Nissan Sentra and Pulsar 2000, Ford Probe, Mazda MX6 and MX3, and others got more refined, and higher value for the money, and much more accepted.

The 90's also saw the re-intro of the british-style roadster, with the Miata. Convertibles were on the resurgence, after a mid-70s to mid-80's convertible moratorium. (the reason for T-tops... convertibles were rare)

The trade imbalance with Japan, and the high dollar to yen, coupled with new CAFE fuel economy regulations that still hammer cars more than light trucks took the wind out of the sales for performance cars in the mid to late 90s, and lead to the surge of cheaply-adapted trucks into SUVs, and when those got a bad reputation from environmentalists, they adapted Light Truck standards to car-based CUVs to keep the CAFE classification advantage.

SUVs in the late 90s and early 2000s sold at a higher margin than pushing new car development, and the sport coupe market pretty much died. Corvette, Miata, and Mustang were among the few continuous survivors anywhere near affordable prices. Coupled with a recession around and after 9/11/2001, car companies put a lot of incentives, and zero percent interest on vehicles that had margins large enough to cut back... namely trucks and SUVs.

The sport coupe market under that pressure didn't start to really come back to life until the economic growth and easy credit in the mid-2000s, especially before the 2008 housing crash. with the S197 Mustang, the return of the Nissan 350Z, and more recent developments, getting closer to current events, rather than history.


It may be easy to say that the 70's and 80's were crap, compared to today.... and without adjusting context... that is somewhat true. But people interested in cars IN the 80s, had interesting cars to choose from, in that day and age, that they thought were exciting... Turbo V6 Buicks... Fuel-injected V8 Mustangs and F-bodys... new sophistication coming out of Japan, and Germany. Affordable mid-engined cars, like MR2 and Fiero that were more attainable and every-day reliable than even the Porsche 914, Lotus Europa or Esprit, or the Lancia Scorpion/Montecarlo of the 70's...

There are interesting cars... sometimes you just have to look harder for them.
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Complete insanity.

*edit* also, now you have to explain why all of the cars in the 90's were crap because Bill Clinton was president
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^ for the love of God, not in this thread.
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Hip can give the history of the Automotive world since the late sixties and missed mentioning the car that basically set off the first Pocket Rocket Revolution in this country...the VW GTI.

I wonder how many people on here are old enough to have driven or even rode in most of the cars mentioned in the last few posts.
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^^^^ You got us all beat, gramps.
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well...most of you, anyway.

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