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Old 08-21-2012, 08:27 PM   #176
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Standard warranty is 3 Year 36,000 miles. Bumper to bumper, and 5 yr 60 on powertrain.
Your last two posts solidify my opinion. Go with #1.
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Old 08-21-2012, 08:28 PM   #177
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From your initial post, you were concerned that this would be a safety issue, cutting and rewelding new parts onto the body, while if done properly can be just as good as new from factory, if it's done right.

The problem is... will it be done right?

I don't question that their body/frame shop is not up to the job there are many master body/weld/paint people out there, I question your peace of mind.

You stated, (as have others) that you paid for a new car, you should get a new car if it's being offered to you.

Will you be 100% comfortable with living with the car that you knew came from the factory with a defect? Will you be 100% sure that in the case of a horrendous and unfortunate accident should it ever happen, that this car will save your life, repaired or not?

If you are unsure of that answer after a period of reflection, It would probably best to take the replacement.
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Old 08-21-2012, 08:40 PM   #178
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His mods are going to make people apprehensive. Just like trying to buy a used WRX/STI. Especially on the first ever Direct Injected Boxer motor. SOO, getting a new car is all about warm fuzzy feeling. Get the new car and you have the same as right now. Get the options and you have more than you have now. Whose to say the car they replace yours with didn't have the same problem that they just caught in time to fix it; and now DON'T have to tell you? Have that as a warm fuzzy feeling.
Mods we don't even know he will do to an unknown extent, and the possibility of a fix which most likely wasn't done, and if it was done at least is not permanently blemishing the vehicles record. Sounds like a perfectly reasonable basis for an argument. /sarcasm

I get your point, but those things are non issues (if they do exist) and are uniform across both scenarios. The mod argument applies to option #2 as well. And in that case, there is an even greater opportunity cost given the longer warranty.

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Old 08-21-2012, 09:47 PM   #179
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Mods we don't even know he will do to an unknown extent, and the possibility of a fix which most likely wasn't done, and if it was done at least is not permanently blemishing the vehicles record. Sounds like a perfectly reasonable basis for an argument. /sarcasm

I get your point, but those things are non issues (if they do exist) and are uniform across both scenarios. The mod argument applies to option #2 as well. And in that case, there is an even greater opportunity cost given the longer warranty.
I agree. I am just not that kind of "anal" as others put it. I am a bit more stupid with my "anal". I want to be the first to touch my car off the truck.


The issue may be on it's history report, but THAT issue won't be like it saying it had an accident. It really won't affect much. If he goes with replacement, his physical situation really doesn't change. Just his mental situation. These cars are not easy to come by. I doubt it does anything significant to the value. If he gets option 2, he still has a car and then some.

Give me the repair and the money/warranty. Then I can deal with warranty denials if they come up. I have used my extended warranty twice now on non powertrain issues(A/C vent and steering wheel audio buttons). Both would have been much more than I would have cared to spend.
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Old 08-21-2012, 10:11 PM   #180
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I would definitely get a replacement vehicle. Imho that is just unacceptable for a brand new vehicle. Hope everything works out for you.
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Old 08-21-2012, 10:28 PM   #181
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get a replacement, who knows what else is wrong with this one. Sometimes it seems that one car collected all the defects...
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Old 08-21-2012, 10:44 PM   #182
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It appears that option 1 means you drive your current car until the replacement (which will be a newly ordered car) arrives, then you do the switch. I'd do that - you end up with what you wanted - a new, undamaged/unrepaired car.

It's basically brand new car vs. repaired car + extended warranty + gift card.

If, however, as suggested above, the replacement would be a dealer loaner/demo type thing, I'd go with option 2.
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Old 08-22-2012, 11:38 AM   #183
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^DrD,

I guess usually they look for a car on a lot, but right now there are no cars on lots, so they told me for sure they will be ordering it from the factory. I will call them today to finalize the order. Scion is supposed to make the fog lights an available option this month too, so I will order those with it if I can.
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Old 08-22-2012, 02:04 PM   #184
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While I'm not discounting some reduction in value. Where do you get this "several thousand dollar" reduction from?

You think everyone who's had a fender replaced, etc. is taking a 4 figure resale hit? In the market place, you just don't lose that much resale for minor repairs professionally fixed, despite everyone saying you do. In this case, show any buyer a picture of that little bit of sheet metal, I'm sure it will be all but a non-issue.
It happened to me with my previous car. Back in 2009, I was the locomotive of a four car chain reaction accident in my '07 Civic. All it did was crack my bumper, no internal damage, cost all of $650 to repair.

In 9/10, when I went to trade my car in, it was worth roughly $10k, but they only offered me $8800 for it, explaining to me that what was basically a scratch ended up on the Carfax report and thus the car had diminished value. The problem with Carfax is that AFAIK, it doesn't distinguish between the severity of the damage. The car could have nearly been totalled, it could have the scratch that it did - Carfax isn't that descriptive, or at least it wasn't back then. They even went so far as to put it on a lift to check it out, as if they didn't believe me, and they said it was mint. However, the fact remained that it was on Carfax still led to me getting dinged on the trade.

In all fairness, it makes sense. More than likely, they would show the Carfox to a potential buyer, and the buyer would then use that as leverage to bargain down the price.

Moral to the story, always fight for diminished value from the insurance company. That was the first accident I had been in and I didn't know any better.

I vote for the complete replacement. You'll get a new car and you won't have to fight any diminished value claims.
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Old 08-22-2012, 04:21 PM   #185
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think about it from the toyota poitn of view. they dont want you to ask for a new car. it would cost them WAY more than the small perks they are offering you. They will end up repairing the car anyway and selling it used to someone else. Assuming that you can get an independent expert say that if this repair were done, it would have no real degrading affect on the car, maybe counter them by asking them to do a full repair and much much more in a toyota GC. or all your services for up to 100k miles.
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Old 08-22-2012, 05:44 PM   #186
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Yeah I am going to do the vehicle replacement. They are answering a couple of questions for me, and then I will have them make the order. I didn't really see a value in the perks offered instead of replacing the car, so I am going with that.
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Old 08-22-2012, 06:53 PM   #187
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Don't blame you one bit...let the waiting game begin
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Old 08-22-2012, 07:32 PM   #188
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Get the replacement. People are arguing for the sake of convenience, but you shouldn't be stuck with potential diminished value for the car.
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Old 08-22-2012, 09:14 PM   #189
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Good call, I'm glad you are getting the car you know you will be happy with. After all, that's what it's all about. Don't settle for something that doesnt please you since that is the ultimate goal.
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Old 08-22-2012, 10:27 PM   #190
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I'm glad you chose the replacement. I don't think that repair is exactly something they can follow step by step by the book (as in swapping out the struts). They will have to de-weld body panels and other parts for removal to get to that piece. As others have said, even after it is fixed, can you be sure it will hold up in an accident an have the same, pre-repair structural strength?

My feeling on extended warranties are they are money makers for the dealer they try and sell you during financing (along with Teflon coating and window etching). I had the super-duper gold plated Nissan extended warranty on my Xterra and when it had a cooling issue, the problem was one of the small coolant hoses you can't even see (not the two big ones going into the radiator) they wouldn't cover it under warranty saying it was wear and tear. $10 part and $600 labor later (deep in the engine somewhere). I came to the conclusion that I paid for a warranty that was useless. If there was a major problem with a car (ring lands etc) it will usually present itself within the first 36k miles.

In the meantime, drive the piss out of the car you have, maybe a few track days... and enjoy your brand new car knowing you've already taken one to its limits!
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Old 08-23-2012, 01:22 AM   #191
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Thanks for the comments. I am glad that I am not the only person crazy enough to see this as reasonable.

From what I have seen, Toyota and Subaru are about the best auto manufacturers to deal with while the Porsche, VW, Audi family are probably the absolute worst.
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Old 08-24-2012, 11:53 AM   #192
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My Rep called and told me that they are sending me one of these HPI E10 Touring FRS Cars they made. It will be black. They are really being nice and going above and beyond for me now. Very cool of Toyota.

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Old 08-24-2012, 01:00 PM   #193
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I look at the 2 options this way:

I walk into a dealer's showroom. He has 2 identical looking cars. He will sell me either for excatly the same price and they are a "no negotiation" dealer.

The first is a brand new car. The downside is that because of a restriction that the dealer has, they must keep that brand new car in their showroom to show potential buyers what it's like, since they're hard to get. You can pick up the car in 120 days, but they'll let you drive the other car as-is for those 4 months. The other car has some dammage that will need to be repaired after I get my new car and return the dammaged one.

The other option is the dammaged car, which they plan to cut all apart, weld back together, paint and give a $500 accesory card and extended warantee for. Of course, carfax will show it as dammaged and Toyota's system will show it as dammaged with (let's say) $3000 in dammage.


Given that situation, which option would you choose?

Seems like a no-brainer to me.
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Old 08-25-2012, 10:31 AM   #194
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My Rep called and told me that they are sending me one of these HPI E10 Touring FRS Cars they made. It will be black. They are really being nice and going above and beyond for me now. Very cool of Toyota.

You said you wanted a replacement car, so here it is. What's the warranty on that? 3 months or 36,000 feet?

Good choice if you picked a replacement car though.
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Heard anything about the replacement yet?
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Old 09-18-2012, 12:53 PM   #196
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Are you serious? Extended-warrantied cars absolutely command a premium in the market place. It certainly costs more than the identical car without one.

The fact that you even post that makes things extremely clear. You're talking out your ass to justify your decision to yourself.

What a joke of a post.
Dude, are YOU serious? Man, who had the big bowl Sucker-O's. The extended warranty doesn't add crapola to the value of the car unless you find another sucker (aka YOU) in a private for sale deal. Far as the bank or a dealership is concerned it's a moot point.
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Old 10-06-2012, 10:41 AM   #197
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The car was on the water as of last week.

Also TRD released the US TRD exhaust for the car, so I will probably have that added by the dealer when it hits the us.
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Old 11-05-2012, 10:48 AM   #198
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The car made it to the dealership a week and a half ago. They told me it is a 2-3 week process from this point. I drove over there last week to see the car, but no one could find it. They said it might have been at their other dealership having the Dealer installed options done, but their other lot is a used car lot, so I don't know why they would be installed there?

So I had the opportunity to sit in the back seat this weekend and record the noise coming from the passenger side rear. This sound seems to be coming from right around the damaged area and mostly appears at or below 4500 rpms. This sound did not used to be there, so there is definitely more than meets the eye with the damaged area.

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Old 11-05-2012, 02:59 PM   #199
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Sucks to year about your experience with your new car OP. I'm glad you're finally able to get them to replace it for you. I'm also glad you posted about it on here so others are aware of the issue. I'm waiting for my 2013 WRX so I am definitely writing down a list of what I need to tell the dealer to not do and what I have to do when I go pick it up:

1) Remind them to not drill holes in my front bumper for license plate
2) Ask them not to wash the car when it gets off the truck
3) No dealer's advertisement on my car
4) Look for unusualty every inch of the car! =D
5) Repeat Step 4
6) Repeat step 5

That should do it!!!

Joking aside is there a reason why I shouldn't let the dealer wash the car? My dealer told me they only use bristle brush and a mild soap that doesn't affect the paint or the clear coat according to them.
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Old 11-05-2012, 02:59 PM   #200
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I dropped by the dealership this morning to see if the car had made an appearance. It is there being hidden in the back, so I am confident they are keeping customers out of it.



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