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Old 10-07-2012, 12:37 PM   #2876
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That's great to know since I too think the picture and color looks sharper.

**** I'm talking like 2005 here, 60hz.
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Old 10-07-2012, 12:46 PM   #2877
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Way off topic but is burn in still an issue with plasmas? The last time I bought a tv I went with LCD since it was still a bit of an issue and well I'm thinking about getting a new tv in the near future and would like a plasma if they've overcome that.
burn in is a non-issue now. with the pixel shift and other technologies the only thing youll see is temporary image retention but not burn in.

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Not really, no.

I've converted both my TV's to plasma personally, the picture quality is much better. Love my 65" Panasonic. I can't stand that artificial 240hz motion on LCD's.

On an iPhone note Apple store swapped out my iPhone 5 with the bad display, yeah.
both our tv's are plasma and I will never go back to lcd/led. the motion and colors are too unnatural. the motion is rage enducing

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That's great to know since I too think the picture and color looks sharper.

**** I'm talking like 2005 here, 60hz.
id take a 2005 60hz 1080p plasma over a 2012 240hz 1080p LED every day of the week.
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Old 10-07-2012, 12:46 PM   #2878
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Ahah! Thank you!


In other news, I've been stuck listening to the radio for 2 weeks now, since Lightning broke iPhone integration with all car head units. Still waiting on a Lightning-to-dock adapter to see if that works.
what about Bluetooth?
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Old 10-07-2012, 01:42 PM   #2879
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id take a 2005 60hz 1080p plasma over a 2012 240hz 1080p LED every day of the week.
That's pretty amazing since there is no such thing as a "60hz" plasma.

Come back when you actually understand that plasma is an inherently different technology than LCD and you can't compare those numbers. You do realize the 480 or 600Mhz ratings you'd see on plasmas has no correlation to the "refresh" rate numbers quoted on LCD's right? Probably not.
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Old 10-07-2012, 01:47 PM   #2880
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Why You need removable battery? By the time a battery only holds 75% of the original charge Your phone will be obsolete.

Why put a removable battery in your car? Most people trade in their cars long before the battery needs replaced?
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Old 10-07-2012, 01:55 PM   #2881
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Ahah! Thank you!


In other news, I've been stuck listening to the radio for 2 weeks now, since Lightning broke iPhone integration with all car head units. Still waiting on a Lightning-to-dock adapter to see if that works.
I've complained about the 30 pin connector since the ipod days. First mistake by apple is to not use a USB connection to the ipod/iphone. Mistake number two is auto manufacturers putting a 30 pin connector in the car. If the car makers put a USB port in the console then this would be a non issue. It would be compatible with all devices. but they chose to make it compatible with only apple products. Now its not even compatible with some apple products.
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Old 10-07-2012, 01:55 PM   #2882
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what about Bluetooth?
good idea, but in most cases it will cost around $50.

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B004KPLS7K/ref=ox_sc_sfl_title_1http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B004KPLS7K/ref=ox_sc_sfl_title_1
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Old 10-07-2012, 02:00 PM   #2883
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That's pretty amazing since there is no such thing as a "60hz" plasma.

Come back when you actually understand that plasma is an inherently different technology than LCD and you can't compare those numbers. You do realize the 480 or 600Mhz ratings you'd see on plasmas has no correlation to the "refresh" rate numbers quoted on LCD's right? Probably not.
Yawn.

Spinning a short post with marketing terms into me putting subfield drive and refresh rate in the same basket? Color me unimpressed. Was keeping it simple for the common folks. Refresh rates are somewhat bogus anyways.last time I was researching tv's the basis should have been on pixel response time. In that regard ... Plasma technology is still king, no? It was in 2009 anyways...
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Old 10-07-2012, 02:53 PM   #2884
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I've complained about the 30 pin connector since the ipod days. First mistake by apple is to not use a USB connection to the ipod/iphone. Mistake number two is auto manufacturers putting a 30 pin connector in the car. If the car makers put a USB port in the console then this would be a non issue. It would be compatible with all devices. but they chose to make it compatible with only apple products. Now its not even compatible with some apple products.
This is an Alpine aftermarket head unit. It's a USB port with a 30-pin cable. Apparently something is "special" about the cable, so just using a Lightning-USB adapter doesn't work. It doesn't even do anything. Which is stupid, because I can take a $4 USB stick, throw some MP3s on it, and it will play.

Which I'm probably just going to do.
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Old 10-07-2012, 03:08 PM   #2885
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good idea, but in most cases it will cost around $50.

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00...sc_sfl_title_1
I got the belkn air play or whatever its called and use it with my OE head unit. sa,me in my wife's car.
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Old 10-07-2012, 03:29 PM   #2886
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Hmm, are there any chinese knockoff lightning cables yet?
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Old 10-07-2012, 03:57 PM   #2887
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Hmm, are there any chinese knockoff lightning cables yet?
Have you missed all the news stories? The chip used inside the adapter to route the signals to the correct pins is rather complex. Apple is just now preparing to even approve 3rd party construction for licensed devices. No one has seen any of the data on how the chip exactly works.

Basically, due to the complexity of the chip, no one thinks it's gonna be easy to reverse-engineer. And even if it were, the cost of production of that component is expected to be so high that they don't think Apple's profit margin is inflated on that piece hardly at all. In other words, they think it really does cost almost that much to make. So...not a lot of reason for 3rd party companies to work on knock-offs if there isn't a lot of profit to be made.
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Old 10-07-2012, 04:12 PM   #2888
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Have you missed all the news stories? The chip used inside the adapter to route the signals to the correct pins is rather complex. Apple is just now preparing to even approve 3rd party construction for licensed devices. No one has seen any of the data on how the chip exactly works.

Basically, due to the complexity of the chip, no one thinks it's gonna be easy to reverse-engineer. And even if it were, the cost of production of that component is expected to be so high that they don't think Apple's profit margin is inflated on that piece hardly at all. In other words, they think it really does cost almost that much to make. So...not a lot of reason for 3rd party companies to work on knock-offs if there isn't a lot of profit to be made.
if true, what happens to all people that argued they wanted to make a buck on adapters? oh noez.
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Old 10-07-2012, 04:38 PM   #2889
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Have you missed all the news stories? The chip used inside the adapter to route the signals to the correct pins is rather complex. Apple is just now preparing to even approve 3rd party construction for licensed devices. No one has seen any of the data on how the chip exactly works.

Basically, due to the complexity of the chip, no one thinks it's gonna be easy to reverse-engineer. And even if it were, the cost of production of that component is expected to be so high that they don't think Apple's profit margin is inflated on that piece hardly at all. In other words, they think it really does cost almost that much to make. So...not a lot of reason for 3rd party companies to work on knock-offs if there isn't a lot of profit to be made.
I was under the impression that they weren't going to license any of them to third parties.
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Old 10-07-2012, 04:40 PM   #2890
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This is an Alpine aftermarket head unit. It's a USB port with a 30-pin cable. Apparently something is "special" about the cable, so just using a Lightning-USB adapter doesn't work. It doesn't even do anything. Which is stupid, because I can take a $4 USB stick, throw some MP3s on it, and it will play.

Which I'm probably just going to do.

The old 30-pin has straight audio pinouts rather than using a DAC like most USB.



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I was under the impression that they weren't going to license any of them to third parties.

I am sure they will eventually if they haven't already (Belkin, Kensington, Griffin). Getting people to buy into Apple products by way of accessory lock-in has got to be worth more than any money they would make on a mark up.

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Old 10-07-2012, 04:45 PM   #2891
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if true, what happens to all people that argued they wanted to make a buck on adapters? oh noez.
Apple said they will be sole producer of the lightning accessories until 2013, then they would look into approving third party manufacturers. Apple said they were planning on profiting from the connector change. A $100 million profit doesn't sound so bad.
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Old 10-07-2012, 04:52 PM   #2892
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Apple said they will be sole producer of the lightning accessories until 2013, then they would look into approving third party manufacturers. Apple said they were planning on profiting from the connector change. A $100 million profit doesn't sound so bad.
Yep, till Christmas anyway.

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Old 10-07-2012, 05:01 PM   #2893
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Have you missed all the news stories? The chip used inside the adapter to route the signals to the correct pins is rather complex. Apple is just now preparing to even approve 3rd party construction for licensed devices. No one has seen any of the data on how the chip exactly works.

Basically, due to the complexity of the chip, no one thinks it's gonna be easy to reverse-engineer. And even if it were, the cost of production of that component is expected to be so high that they don't think Apple's profit margin is inflated on that piece hardly at all. In other words, they think it really does cost almost that much to make. So...not a lot of reason for 3rd party companies to work on knock-offs if there isn't a lot of profit to be made.
I kinda doubt that, the processor for the iphone 5 supposedly only costs $17.50.
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Old 10-07-2012, 05:02 PM   #2894
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I paid $19 for a second Apple brand cord. I don't feel terribly ripped off. It's the first cord I've had to buy in probably a decade. One for my nightstand and one for work/car/travel.

If I had bought a micro-USB phone, I'd still have had to buy a cord (probably $1.99 from China, but still). I surprisingly enough, don't own a lot of micro-USB devices and therefore don't have a ton of cords laying in wait. I have 30 pin connectors still in my drawer from the early-ish iPod days.

Side note: Either my old phone was slow, or the new cord is somehow faster. My phones transfer data at wildly different speeds, which surprised me.
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Old 10-07-2012, 05:23 PM   #2895
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I kinda doubt that, the processor for the iphone 5 supposedly only costs $17.50.
I'm not sure if serious? Have you ever done any work in manufacturing? Cause even if the chip costs like $3, that's a huge significant cost, because now, you also need to integrate it into the device. Manufacturing costs to implement a processor into a plug like that is many times what it costs to produce the older style "dumb" cables.
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Old 10-07-2012, 05:25 PM   #2896
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Side note: Either my old phone was slow, or the new cord is somehow faster. My phones transfer data at wildly different speeds, which surprised me.
was it lightning fast?
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Old 10-07-2012, 06:03 PM   #2897
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I'm not sure if serious? Have you ever done any work in manufacturing? Cause even if the chip costs like $3, that's a huge significant cost, because now, you also need to integrate it into the device. Manufacturing costs to implement a processor into a plug like that is many times what it costs to produce the older style "dumb" cables.
I might have misread you post but it sounded as if you were saying the adapter cost nearly $30 to make.

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In other words, they think it really does cost almost that much to make. So...not a lot of reason for 3rd party companies to work on knock-offs if there isn't a lot of profit to be made.
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Old 10-07-2012, 06:11 PM   #2898
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I might have misread you post but it sounded as if you were saying the adapter cost nearly $30 to make.
That is what I was saying. I'm not talking just parts. But all-in manufacturing. Even for a knock-off. In tooling, design and components? Yes, it doesn't appear that there's much of a margin. If Apple sells it for $30, they need to sell theirs for $20 or less to get people to buy it. Now Apple may be making $10 a piece on each one. The knock-off could cut quality and drop that price too, but a dramatic part of the price is hard coded to that processor. Since they can't get that processor(it's Apple's chip, the fabs won't be selling it without Apple's authorization), they'd have to reverse engineer their own. That's an enormous amount of capital to put into something like this. Normal knock-off cables aren't anywhere near this level of sophistication. Think of powered dual-link DVI adapters. Knock-off versions hardly ever work right, because they're way more complex than just a regular single link DVI adapter.
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was it lightning fast?
You could say that.

Seems like a perfect time for a Horatio Caine meme.
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That's an enormous amount of capital to put into something like this. Normal knock-off cables aren't anywhere near this level of sophistication. Think of powered dual-link DVI adapters. Knock-off versions hardly ever work right, because they're way more complex than just a regular single link DVI adapter.
Well, Apple is the king of $%^* you pay me
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