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Old 06-02-2012, 10:20 PM   #76
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I'm glad we got nothing on the wheel rather than the horrible setup that was shown at CES (yuk):

Having 6 buttons and 3 toggle switches is overkill, and I understand the marketing value of saying "Our car is so driver centric, we don't even have steering wheel controls!"

However, Subaru's marketing still could've cited simplicity and design discipline had they put on only 2 toggle switches and 1 button which, IMO, would've been a more practical and effective design. But it's not a deal breaker either way.
Agree. I'd like to see volume up/down, a phone button (for bluetooth), and a mute button... in addition to the existing cruise control stalk, of course.

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I have to retract this statement since I got to actually drive the BRZ and basically agree with KC. The owner and I discussed how unbearably annoying it would be to have to worry about steering wheels controls while autocrossing the BRZ.

If you don't plan to seriously autox your BRZ, then I could totally see how one would still desire them, although it is nice to have one less thing to worry about or distract you while turning the steering wheel. My WRX steering wheel controls don't usually get in the way while turning.
I've been autocrossing for a decade in cars with and without steering wheel controls... I even added the radio controls to my '08 WRX steering wheel mid-season... I've never had any issues involving buttons on the spokes of my steering wheels. If you are, you might want to investigate a deeper issue with your steering technique. Shuffle steering like you should, no parts of your body will even come anywhere close to the controls.


Btw, those controls for the WRX cost me about $55, paying retail at the dealership. Claiming cost issues is almost as big of a copout as claiming autocrossing issues.
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Old 06-02-2012, 10:39 PM   #77
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Agree. I'd like to see volume up/down, a phone button (for bluetooth), and a mute button... in addition to the existing cruise control stalk, of course.


I've been autocrossing for a decade in cars with and without steering wheel controls... I even added the radio controls to my '08 WRX steering wheel mid-season... I've never had any issues involving buttons on the spokes of my steering wheels. If you are, you might want to investigate a deeper issue with your steering technique. Shuffle steering like you should, no parts of your body will even come anywhere close to the controls.


Btw, those controls for the WRX cost me about $55, paying retail at the dealership. Claiming cost issues is almost as big of a copout as claiming autocrossing issues.
I've never autocrossed. I was just saying that the BRZ owner, who has been autocrossing for about 6 years now, mentioned it as a valid point. To coincide with your point, IF someone weren't an autox expert, wouldn't it be nice IF they didn't have to worry about steering wheel controls? In the long run, once they improved their technique, then it wouldn't matter, but it might to a bigger. To someone experienced, maybe Subaru thought it wasn't worth including since an experienced autox person would MOST likely not care they were missing?

I could counter-speculate all day. I'm just saying, JC, that they're called "preferences" for a reason. Kind of like how I don't understand why someone would bother autocrossing with paddle shifters. *shrug*

I will admit that I've accidentlly hit my buttons because of not paying attention, but it's usually just the volume button. They're flush enough to where I don't think they'd get in the way while passing your steering wheel from hand to hand.
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Old 06-02-2012, 11:13 PM   #78
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I could counter-speculate all day. I'm just saying, JC, that they're called "preferences" for a reason. Kind of like how I don't understand why someone would bother autocrossing with paddle shifters. *shrug*
I don't mean to take this thread too far off, but I'm not sure I understand why autocrossing with the paddle shifters would be a big deal one way or the other. Most courses have you in 2nd gear the whole time, so once you take off, you would just blip the right paddle one time and that's it until you finish the course. I guess you wouldn't have the ability to launch on the start (no clutch), but a lot of AutoX courses start with a quick transition or slalom to discourage drag style launches.
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Old 06-02-2012, 11:25 PM   #79
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I don't mean to take this thread too far off, but I'm not sure I understand why autocrossing with the paddle shifters would be a big deal one way or the other. Most courses have you in 2nd gear the whole time, so once you take off, you would just blip the right paddle one time and that's it until you finish the course. I guess you wouldn't have the ability to launch on the start (no clutch), but a lot of AutoX courses start with a quick transition or slalom to discourage drag style launches.
Maybe non-Alaskan autox guys are built tougher, but the VW guys with the DSG paddle shifters continually complain about the paddle shifters impeding because they rotate with the rotating steering wheel.

I agree with you, but my comment was more coming from "I'd rather autox with a manual transmission." I have no room to talk until I actually autox, though.
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Old 06-02-2012, 11:54 PM   #80
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Maybe non-Alaskan autox guys are built tougher, but the VW guys with the DSG paddle shifters continually complain about the paddle shifters impeding because they rotate with the rotating steering wheel.

I agree with you, but my comment was more coming from "I'd rather autox with a manual transmission." I have no room to talk until I actually autox, though.
Ha, ha I hear ya. I'd rather have a MT no matter what, but I was thinking it wouldn't be too bad on an AutoX course since you don't shift that much. However I didn't think about the possibility of the paddle shifters getting in the way during spirited driving....that definitely wouldn't be ideal.
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Old 06-03-2012, 10:45 AM   #81
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I've never autocrossed.
Yeah, we can tell.
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Old 06-03-2012, 10:14 PM   #82
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Maybe non-Alaskan autox guys are built tougher, but the VW guys with the DSG paddle shifters continually complain about the paddle shifters impeding because they rotate with the rotating steering wheel.

I agree with you, but my comment was more coming from "I'd rather autox with a manual transmission." I have no room to talk until I actually autox, though.
I can see your point for autox because you may have to really rip the steering wheel around to manuever around the next cone corner...however, for me I like the setup in my TSX with the paddles on the wheel vs the F430 I drove that had the paddles off of the steering wheel. I just think I do better with a TSX/BRZ setup on the road track than how the F430 is. Tho I drive the TSX more than the F430 and I am use to the setup.

If I get the BRZ I will probably get the Auto. If there is an STi version with only a Manual setup I will just have to bite the bullet and get the MT!
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Old 06-04-2012, 02:06 AM   #83
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Yeah, we can tell.


hahaha Yeah yeah, I know, I know. I'm just conveying my observations from other's concerns and experiences.
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Old 06-05-2012, 07:54 PM   #84
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More clutch feedback. It's practically limp.
My previous comment was based on my test drive of the FRS. I just test drove the BRZ and was pleasantly surprised that clutch had more resistance. So never mind about it needing more feedback.
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Old 06-05-2012, 07:56 PM   #85
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My previous comment was based on my test drive of the FRS. I just test drove the BRZ and was pleasantly surprised that clutch had more resistance. So never mind about it needing more feedback.
Really? Man, I would hate the FR-S, then, since I initially felt the BRZ's clutch was too feathery. I'll chalk it up to my non-autoxing driver lack-of-technique, though. hahaha
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There is no reason that the clutch feel should be different.
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Old 06-07-2012, 06:58 AM   #87
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Stop with the Altezza Tail Lights
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Well.. it is Toyota's styling.


.. but I agree, if nothing else, Subaru should have put some solid red tails on the BRZ to differentiate it and make up for all of the clear-tail Impreza hatch hate.
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Old 06-19-2012, 11:00 AM   #89
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I'm surprised that no one has mentioned a center console arm rest. The big open hole with the 2 cup holders without a cover is my biggest gripe so far. Be a great product for aftermarket.
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Old 06-19-2012, 04:49 PM   #90
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I really hope they don't make the front headlights chrome. Subaru seems to take something nice and screw it up (See 2012 wrx)
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Old 06-19-2012, 05:20 PM   #91
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My argument for Subaru making the 2012 WRX/STI headlights chrome was that it gave those cars more of a family-look when you look at them alongside the Forester, Outback, Legacy and Tribeca.

The 2013 BRZ kind of throws this theory out the window, though, unless it's possible that Subaru opted for black to initially distinguish the BRZ from the FR-S. That's the only reason I could think for it.

That being said, I wouldn't be surprised if chrome headlights worked their way into the 2014 BRZ after the hype of MY2013 dies down.
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Sidemarker signal lights. Only having signals on the front and rear is silly when so many cars have side turn signals either on the mirrors or fenders. They are invaluable, cost almost nothing and incredibly easy. Here's an idea: instead of designing completely unfunctional fake ducts in the fenders, how about integrate an actual working signal light in there so it can at least pretend to have some sort of purpose besides looking faster than it is?
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Old 06-25-2012, 11:38 AM   #93
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Funny that I came here to post about the lack of side mirror turn signals. I was looking at a bunch of pictures over the weekend and realized how silly it is that they don't have them. Even the 2012 Impreza in Canada has them.
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Old 06-25-2012, 12:36 PM   #94
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I hate being next to a car a lane over, looking over and not knowing if it's signaling to merge into the same lane I am. What good are signals if I can't see them? Even the 15 year old 2.5RS has side blinkers in the fenders. Surely if Subieyota took the time to design and produce a completely faux vent for looks they could get some actual function squeezed in there. Right?
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Truth, Doug. Truth.
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Sidemarker signal lights. Only having signals on the front and rear is silly when so many cars have side turn signals either on the mirrors or fenders. They are invaluable, cost almost nothing and incredibly easy. Here's an idea: instead of designing completely unfunctional fake ducts in the fenders, how about integrate an actual working signal light in there so it can at least pretend to have some sort of purpose besides looking faster than it is?

Aren't they the orange lights attached to the front fender, near the wheel well??
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Aren't they the orange lights attached to the front fender, near the wheel well??
I think Doug is more talking about upper fender area, where it's obvious to the person NEXT to you (see his second post).
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Aren't they the orange lights attached to the front fender, near the wheel well??
Pretty sure those aren't blinkers. I don't own a BRZ so someone correct me if I'm wrong, but from what I've seen and gathered, those are parking lights only.

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I think Doug is more talking about upper fender area, where it's obvious to the person NEXT to you (see his second post).
They would be better than nothing, as they are on the fender, even being that far up. Right now if you look at the side of the car, you can't tell if it has its signals on or not. That's silly.
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Now that I own one, I still vote for steering wheel controls.
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Starlink should be better implemented for MY2014 BRZ. Hopefully that means a new and improved head unit.
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