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Old 10-09-2012, 12:33 PM   #76
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There's something I agree with you 100% on Zeeper-
That switch to Amsoil made shifting smoother and reverse easier to engage. Although it still takes a bit of coaxing from time to time.
I was one of, if not the first, to switch mine to Amsoil Severe Gear.
Zeeper- did you do the rear diff too?
Yes I did both. I didn't have a service manual and didn't read about sealing the plug threads -- I actually used anti-seize compound on the rear diff plug threads because it was so hard to remove them.

No leaks, whatsoever, so I am not worried about it.
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Old 10-09-2012, 01:42 PM   #77
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Same here, except for the anti-seize. I just cleaned the plug and screwed it back in. No leaks.
Its really easy to service the car. The hardest part of the whole affair was filling the front back up. I rigged a hose onto a funnel.
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Old 10-09-2012, 02:35 PM   #78
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All this talk about shifting has me rethinking the perrin short shift adapter (with new bushings):
DO IT

I went with the kartboy kit, it was like $150 for the shifter and the bushings. Very easy install. If you're even thinking about it, just do it. Improves the driving experience a ton.

And for all the bickering, whatever that's all about, MT or GTFO. We're not drag racing here, these Imprezas are super tight handling little cars. Learn to heel-toe downshift and you'll end up driving super quick on all the twisty roads if that's something you're into
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Old 10-09-2012, 02:54 PM   #79
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DO IT

I went with the kartboy kit, it was like $150 for the shifter and the bushings. Very easy install. If you're even thinking about it, just do it. Improves the driving experience a ton.

And for all the bickering, whatever that's all about, MT or GTFO. We're not drag racing here, these Imprezas are super tight handling little cars. Learn to heel-toe downshift and you'll end up driving super quick on all the twisty roads if that's something you're into
Expect you can't press gas and brake at same time because of the brake override
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Old 10-09-2012, 03:27 PM   #80
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And for all the bickering, whatever that's all about, MT or GTFO. We're not drag racing here, these Imprezas are super tight handling little cars. Learn to heel-toe downshift and you'll end up driving super quick on all the twisty roads if that's something you're into
all the bickering is pretty much just one guy who can't accept that I don't agree with him. everyone else has been cool. I'm not sure if I can simulate a heel-toe type smooth downshift with the CVT - it would be interesting for someone with heel-toe experience (which I do not have) to try out.

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Expect you can't press gas and brake at same time because of the brake override
They really did that to you guys?

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Old 10-09-2012, 03:44 PM   #81
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I'm a die-hard MT guy. I have this sticker in my window:



If I was buying a Porsche (I'm not) and knew that the PDK tranny allowed for faster acceleration (it does), I'd still buy the stick. I don't care how good the PDK tranny is.

I like my MT Impreza, but will admit that the clutch's catch point is too high, which required some getting used to.
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Old 10-09-2012, 03:48 PM   #82
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That switch to Amsoil made shifting smoother and reverse easier to engage. Although it still takes a bit of coaxing from time to time.
I also switched to Amsoil Severe Gear in both my tranny and rear diff (did mine at 2700 miles). Didn't feel any change for better or worse with the shifting, but I sure was glad to get all the crud out of the rear diff.
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If I was buying a Porsche (I'm not) and knew that the PDK tranny allowed for faster acceleration (it does), I'd still buy the stick. I don't care how good the PDK tranny is.

I like my MT Impreza, but will admit that the clutch's catch point is too high, which required some getting used to.
on the porsche I absolutely agree - it would practically be a sin not to get a MT on a sports car.
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Old 10-09-2012, 04:36 PM   #84
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on the porsche I absolutely agree - it would practically be a sin not to get a MT on a sports car.
Yeah, you just have to get a manual transmission with real driver's cars, like Porsches and Jettas.
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Old 10-09-2012, 05:11 PM   #85
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Old 10-09-2012, 05:36 PM   #86
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I'm a die-hard MT guy. I have this sticker in my window:



If I was buying a Porsche (I'm not) and knew that the PDK tranny allowed for faster acceleration (it does), I'd still buy the stick. I don't care how good the PDK tranny is.

I like my MT Impreza, but will admit that the clutch's catch point is too high, which required some getting used to.
1 where did you get that sticker?
2: catch point is high and does take some getting use to, had to take it to the limit just to see how far before it stalls out, I must say unlike the honda mtl the subie one was a lot more reserved before it stalls out. The civic always got violent when you were about to stall it, guess it was cursing at me for doing that. planning to do fluid change this week since its now cold, of course first they have to ship the damn fluid.
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Old 10-09-2012, 06:39 PM   #87
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all the bickering is pretty much just one guy who can't accept that I don't agree with him. everyone else has been cool. I'm not sure if I can simulate a heel-toe type smooth downshift with the CVT - it would be interesting for someone with heel-toe experience (which I do not have) to try out.

They really did that to you guys?

Yes
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Old 10-09-2012, 08:09 PM   #88
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I am also a manual fan but my love for leather and a sunroof w/ sport package made my choice for me. It's dumb how on so many cars now days you have to sacrifice or get complete baseline to get a friggin stick. On most chevy trucks for example you have to get a smaller motor without options that everyone wants.
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Old 10-09-2012, 08:14 PM   #89
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all the bickering is pretty much just one guy who can't accept that I don't agree with him. everyone else has been cool. I'm not sure if I can simulate a heel-toe type smooth downshift with the CVT - it would be interesting for someone with heel-toe experience (which I do not have) to try out.


man, i really hate to say it. but i do see his point. i should start off that my other car is a 2006 honda S2000 that only comes in a 6 speed manual and is said to have one of the best transmissions. the transmission in that car with a short shifter that only modify the pivot point and not the actual height feels like i am fully connected with the car. it feels so direct as if i can sense and feel the gears, the levers, and the carbon syncros collide with each other. the feeling of each shift in that car is amazing. i also drove the acura rsx 6 speed and those shifts are so smooth. it is not as much as direct as it is more like sleeping on a 3000 silk sheets.

BUT!!! this car is a 5 speed is very dull and boring and mooshy. it is not a "direct" feeling. yes, you as controlling the shifts and directing which gear it goes in, but it is not even close to the S2000. this car isn't a driver's car. it isn't even a economy driver's car. if you wanted a driver car, plenty of hot hatches besides this. if you wanted economy and handling, again others. dont get me wrong i love this car. i love it for everything the S2000 couldn't be. awd, practical, spacious, comfortable, mpg, ect. the imprexa can handle fairly and surprisingly well. i thought, i was going to hate this eco box of a hatch but i smiled when i took it into a corner. it wasn't something i expected. but i didn't expect it to be a STi or anything.

I bought the CVT because this would live up to the manual in the S2000 and i am planning to have a family soon. my soon to be wife does not like driving a standard. mostly because the S2000 became my weekend race car and learning to drive that would be a nightmare. i kinda ruin that for myself. but if i didn't were getting married would i still get the manual? no, i still would not have. city and traffic driving sucks in a manual. and i got this car for a ease of driving. the manual would not make it easier and the mpg was also a factor. though, real world have proven it to not matter or to be equally as bad.

i am not trying to justify why i bought the CVT or hate on the manual. if you love manuals, then go for it. i actually would love to have 50/50 split than 90/10 or whatever it is. the CVT isn't that bad. definitely has its flaws. but the manual would be great. in the long terms, i can actual see the manual lasting longer. not used to having a automatic and now a CVT.

all i am saying is, this isn't a "sporty" car, it isn't a drivers car, but it is not a boring car. it can take the corners, although that has nothing to do with transmission. but if you love the manual or hate the CVT. buy the manual. nothing wrong with that. there are just people who want the manual and some who want the CVT.
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I am curious as to what defines "drivers car".
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I don't know either, it is an arbitrary determination.

I'm a driver, I like driving my Impreza, therefore my Impreza is a drivers car.

Whatever. Just drive it. If you want to control the behavior of the car and not let it make more choices for you, get the standard. Because it is quirky, you will have lots of fun learning how to wring out its optimum capacity. But its what makes a Subaru, a Subaru (at least this one...)
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I am curious as to what defines "drivers car".
That's a good question, we're kinda all over the map here in this thread. Anything from Miatas, S2000s, BMWs to FWD compacts that don't even have an independent rear suspension (old Jetta).

I had a Mazda3, and drove the Focus, the two universally declared drivers cars of the segment, and the driving dynamics aren't hugely different vs the Impreza.
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http://gearheadshirts.com/products/1...sticker-2-pack
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I am curious as to what defines "drivers car".
lol you know, never really had to define it. thats a real good question. i really can define it where it will encompass alot of the "driver's car" i can think of and that is specific and not subjective. LOL getting way off topic at this point. not even the point, "kinda".

but i agree, if you just want to have fun shifting through the gear, get a standard. nothing wrong with getting a standard or the CVT. im a boring person who needs a boring car to drive CVT. sporty/enthusiast driver=manual.
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if you just want to have fun shifting through the gear
I think you're onto to something. A drivers car is a car that's enjoyable to drive to people who enjoy driving.

I like to to drive. I've had all kinds of cars that I enjoyed driving. I like the Subaru because it's different. The boxer 4 sounds cooler, more unique, than any of it's competition's inline 4s. I like the gear whine in 1st and 2nd, sounds heavy duty, industrial, like a rally car. Others would think those traits make it unrefined. I like the longitudinal drivetrain layout, one of a kind in it's class. I wasn't attracted to the AWD for any practical reasons, but it sounded like fun when there's snow on the ground (dont tell my wife). It's going to be quite the driver's car this winter, hanging the back end out, 50-50 AWD style, kicking up snow rooster tails, as the envious Focus and Mazda3 drivers putz along, watching with envy. I'll still be hanging with them on the clover leafs next summer though.
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Old 10-09-2012, 11:17 PM   #96
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The newer Jettas are, imo, definitely NOT "driver's cars".
I have tried the cvt's, and my girlfriend really likes them. I just don't. After 14k+ miles, my only complaints about the transmission are the very wide spacing of the gears, and that they aren't the 6mt the aussies and japanese got.
Not sure how the gears are on the foreign market 6mt's but they HAVE to be better than the w I d e five.
This is the only car I can remember owning that requires downshifting to first gear at slow speeds. Normally if a car is even rolling, second gear usually has enough "grunt" to be sufficient. Also- passing or accelerating quickly is really best suited for 3rd, unless you're going 55++.
Having driven it a lot, I am used to the transmission, and while its not ideal, for me its still way more palatable than a cvt. Even with the clutch engagement (which didn't take too long to get used to).
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Expect you can't press gas and brake at same time because of the brake override
Doesn't affect a thing. First feature I checked on the test drive!

Go work on it
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tried it, it didn't work.
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Also- passing or accelerating quickly is really best suited for 3rd, unless you're going 55++.
Even above 55, 3rd is your passing gear. 3rd is good up to 80 mph. Both 4th and 5th are overdrive gears on this car. 3rd has become my go-to gear for passing on the highway, unless I'm below 45, at which point I'll grab 2nd.

This engine needs to be wound up to perform.
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man, i really hate to say it. but i do see his point.
why do you hate to say it?

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BUT!!! this car is a 5 speed is very dull and boring and mooshy. it is not a "direct" feeling.
at least I'm not the only "crazy" one.

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i am not trying to justify why i bought the CVT or hate on the manual. if you love manuals, then go for it.
this is not acceptable! this means war. how dare you have a differing point of view and offer it up in a polite manner!

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i actually would love to have 50/50 split than 90/10 or whatever it is.
I think a little more research needs to be done on this topic. read the zeeps post below - you may have the superior system in terms of performance. The trade off of course is it's more expensive service on it. The question is how often are there problems with the active AWD - anyone have any information on that?

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Subaru Outback owners with more experience in both manual and the Auto versions of AWD (manual is viscous coupling, Auto/CVT use electronic clutches) found that both were great, but the Auto was slightly better because the system responded quicker to changes in traction.

This makes sense because the viscous coupling fluid has to heat up to begin transferring more power, which takes longer.

Personally I like having the simpler viscous coupling AWD and the manual transmission because they are proven for longevity and cheaper to maintain and replace.
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