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Old 10-10-2012, 07:49 PM   #776
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Have you guys ever thought that Subaru really is only releasing the BRZ for a limited run, possibly only 2 model years, and then discontinuing it to make a WRX variant to fill the coupe segment? Then no one could argue about whether or not to buy the BRZ or the coupe WRX since there would only be the coupe WRX.

And I use "coupe WRX" loosely. I'd rather see an STI coupe. Makes much more sense since the WRX is meant to be the "go anywhere, do whatever car" and STI is purposed for competition.
why would they waste the R&D, production time, resources, and massive amounts of $$ just to sell a car for a couple of years, never really recoup any of that cost, just to hype up another car?

do you realize how fiscally retarded that is?
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Old 10-10-2012, 08:00 PM   #777
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why would they waste the R&D, production time, resources, and massive amounts of $$ just to sell a car for a couple of years, never really recoup any of that cost, just to hype up another car?

do you realize how fiscally retarded that is?
You do know that Toyota foot the bill, correct? I hear what you're saying, but I don't think you're paying attention, or I'm misunderstanding something HUGE, which is completely possible. Precedents have been set.
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Old 10-10-2012, 08:37 PM   #778
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why would they waste the R&D, production time, resources, and massive amounts of $$ just to sell a car for a couple of years, never really recoup any of that cost, just to hype up another car?

do you realize how fiscally retarded that is?
Precedents aside, chanomatik is, I believe, correct. For Subaru, It should have been a big time money maker.
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Old 10-10-2012, 09:58 PM   #779
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Subaru said "have high expectations for the next WRX" so I will! :-)

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Old 10-10-2012, 10:13 PM   #780
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When SOA Blog speaks... it might be worth paying attention.

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we have developed this all-new platform. Surely we will find other developments from it. But that's all we can say.
I'm also surprised that when someone posted something interesting a couple months back, it was written off as being "old" and "we've already seen it."
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Old 10-10-2012, 10:20 PM   #781
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I'm also surprised that when someone posted something interesting a couple months back, it was written off as being "old" and "we've already seen it."
Tell us this thing of interest! This thread longs for it!
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Old 10-10-2012, 10:21 PM   #782
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The new WRX will need to be on the shortened Impreza chassis (BRZ) in order to compete in rally. Why would they develop the BRZ, spend all of that time researching a pure-sports car and then not have that DNA trickle down to the WRX?
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Old 10-10-2012, 11:00 PM   #783
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When SOA Blog speaks... it might be worth paying attention.

I'm also surprised that when someone posted something interesting a couple months back, it was written off as being "old" and "we've already seen it."
What was that which got "written off?"
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Old 10-10-2012, 11:19 PM   #784
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What was that which got "written off?"
He is referring to the idea that the BRZ chassis could be used for the next WRX platform.
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Old 10-10-2012, 11:52 PM   #785
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He is referring to the idea that the BRZ chassis could be used for the next WRX platform.
I have been saying that all along as well.
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Old 10-10-2012, 11:59 PM   #786
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Is a chassis specifically designed for an RWD vehicle also optimal for competing in AWD motorsports? (I honestly don't know... this is a serious question.)
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Old 10-11-2012, 12:11 AM   #787
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Is a chassis specifically designed for an RWD vehicle also optimal for competing in AWD motorsports? (I honestly don't know... this is a serious question.)
I don't understand why people think the chassis is designed for RWD. It is just a frame. You can put any drivetrain you want to bolt onto it.

The only issue with the BRZ is that the engine is mounted too far back for AWD. So put the engine forward and bolt it to different points. Not a big deal.

We use one chassis for all Subarus, all different sizes, yet people think the BRZ is some unadjustable frame.
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Old 10-11-2012, 12:22 AM   #788
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One of the quotes given was something along the lines of...if it weren't for our involvement in the BRZ the next WRX would not have happened. I have a bunch of old quotes, but I haven't been able to find this one again. From what I remember, the author was alluding to the fact that there was a lot learned from the BRZ development and would be applied to the WRX.
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Old 10-11-2012, 12:31 AM   #789
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Is a chassis specifically designed for an RWD vehicle also optimal for competing in AWD motorsports? (I honestly don't know... this is a serious question.)
Probably not, but the BRZ is based on a modified Impreza frame, a frame that could be modified again. Who knows, maybe during the BRZ development someone did an AWD version as a " design exercise" or alternative design for consideration, using some of the Toyota technologies used for the BRZ.
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Old 10-11-2012, 12:47 AM   #790
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Subaru has yet to make a performance car that I'd rather have over my swapped GC. A BRZ sized/based STI would probably change that, especially if they do as good of a job on styling as they did on the BRZ. Fingers crossed....
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Old 10-11-2012, 01:53 AM   #791
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I don't understand why people think the chassis is designed for RWD. It is just a frame. You can put any drivetrain you want to bolt onto it.

The only issue with the BRZ is that the engine is mounted too far back for AWD. So put the engine forward and bolt it to different points. Not a big deal.

We use one chassis for all Subarus, all different sizes, yet people think the BRZ is some unadjustable frame.
This is why I was asking the question.

Thanks for informing me, though. It seemed conceivable to me that there might be ways of tweaking a chassis (i.e. strengthening it in certain areas or lightening it in certain areas) that benefitted particular drivetrain layouts.

Is it accurate to say a WRX would be built on a BRZ chassis then, since all Subarus use one chassis of different sizes? Couldn't you just as easily say BRZ is built on a sized-down Tribeca chassis as a sized-down Impreza chassis? OK, I think I'm getting silly and a bit facetious here, even if I'm not fully grasping the semantics of the point at which a chassis becomes a new chassis and not a modified chassis. OK... time for me to move on here... I'm not being beneficial to this thread.
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Old 10-11-2012, 02:09 AM   #792
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Is it accurate to say a WRX would be built on a BRZ chassis then, since all Subarus use one chassis of different sizes? Couldn't you just as easily say BRZ is built on a sized-down Tribeca chassis as a sized-down Impreza chassis?
The entire US Subaru lineup has evolved from the Legacy chassis. So theorizing that it will be BRZ based really just speaks to the size of the car IMO.

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Old 10-11-2012, 02:56 AM   #793
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Alright. So the speculation is that it could be built on a BRZ-sized Legacy chassis, like the BRZ is.

I think I nailed it.
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Sort of. The BRZ is based on the Impreza chassis, which in turn is based on the Legacy chassis. So they are speculating that it could be on a BRZ-sized, Impreza-sized Legacy chassis, like the BRZ is.
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Alright. So the speculation is that it could be built on a BRZ-sized Legacy chassis, like the BRZ is.

I think I nailed it.
Sooo we are back to square one... Haha
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Old 10-11-2012, 03:53 AM   #796
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You do know that Toyota foot the bill, correct? I hear what you're saying, but I don't think you're paying attention, or I'm misunderstanding something HUGE, which is completely possible. Precedents have been set.
I would think that Subaru put some money in the pot.

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Subaru said "have high expectations for the next WRX" so I will! :-)
This is what I have been saying and I am banking on. I have seen them say things like "this is an exciting car" but never anything like this.

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One of the quotes given was something along the lines of...if it weren't for our involvement in the BRZ the next WRX would not have happened. I have a bunch of old quotes, but I haven't been able to find this one again. From what I remember, the author was alluding to the fact that there was a lot learned from the BRZ development and would be applied to the WRX.

I would guess that is in reference to the car they are going to give us that we are supposed to "have high expectations" for. If there was no BRZ project, we'd be getting the same ole ho hum WRX/STI. With more horsepower I'm sure, but just an Impreza with better suspension and brakes.

But the WRX/STI we WILL be getting is derived directly from what they have been learning from the BRZ.
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Sooo we are back to square one... Haha
Doh!

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One of the quotes given was something along the lines of...if it weren't for our involvement in the BRZ the next WRX would not have happened. I have a bunch of old quotes, but I haven't been able to find this one again. From what I remember, the author was alluding to the fact that there was a lot learned from the BRZ development and would be applied to the WRX.
I remember reading something similar, but it was that if Subaru developed BRZ on its own, it would not have had enough money for a new WRX. Joint development allowed Subaru to do both. Maybe a different interpretation of the same quote. *shrug*
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Old 10-11-2012, 05:35 AM   #799
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Old 10-11-2012, 09:31 AM   #800
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I would think that Subaru put some money in the pot.
Agreed, but I bet it isn't anywhere near the amount Toyota spent, and they got to examine/use some of Toyota technologies.


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This is what I have been saying and I am banking on. I have seen them say things like "this is an exciting car" but never anything like this.
I have seen the "have high expectations for the next WRX" quote also.

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