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Old 11-13-2011, 12:22 PM   #26
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Did the name of the dealer start with a "D" and was part of a team?
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Old 08-28-2012, 12:17 AM   #27
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Hi, I have a question about my 2004 Impreza Outback, and I think this question is relevant to this thread. My car suddenly started shaking and flashing the Check Engine light on the highway, and I couldn't restart it after pulling over, so I had it towed to the shop I usually go to. On the first look, he said that it was a misfiring problem that might be solved with just a tune-up, but when they performed a compression test, they found that one of my cylinders has no compression at all. So he said I need a valve job, which he said starts at $2k for one side. My car is at 100k miles, but he said that it looks like it's in decent shape. But until they get into the engine, they might not know exactly what needs to be done. Is this a reasonable price? I suppose that it's difficult to know, without knowing exactly what needs to be done. I want to talk to my mechanic again before giving the go-ahead on the job. Should I get a second opinion? While I'm really interested to learn more about my car, I honestly don't know very much, but I want to ask the right questions. Any suggestions?
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Old 08-28-2012, 06:35 AM   #28
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For a few hundred more u could buy a brand new STi motor. Way too much imo for any motor REPAIR
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Old 08-28-2012, 06:49 AM   #29
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yup I know a few engine machinist and they say they love subaru cause they make a boat load of money due to horizontal engine placement....
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Old 08-28-2012, 07:51 AM   #30
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Hi, I have a question about my 2004 Impreza Outback, and I think this question is relevant to this thread. My car suddenly started shaking and flashing the Check Engine light on the highway, and I couldn't restart it after pulling over, so I had it towed to the shop I usually go to. On the first look, he said that it was a misfiring problem that might be solved with just a tune-up, but when they performed a compression test, they found that one of my cylinders has no compression at all. So he said I need a valve job, which he said starts at $2k for one side. My car is at 100k miles, but he said that it looks like it's in decent shape. But until they get into the engine, they might not know exactly what needs to be done. Is this a reasonable price? I suppose that it's difficult to know, without knowing exactly what needs to be done. I want to talk to my mechanic again before giving the go-ahead on the job. Should I get a second opinion? While I'm really interested to learn more about my car, I honestly don't know very much, but I want to ask the right questions. Any suggestions?
That price is outrageous.

You can have the engine out of the car and the head off in 2 hours. It's not a big deal. A valve job is about $200 machine shop cost and aftermarket valves are available for less than $10 ea new.

You could buy a complete used engine and have it installed for much less than what they quoted you.
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Old 08-28-2012, 08:35 AM   #31
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Plus independent shops won't have the special tools that they will need and chances are, they will improvise and **** something up. A dealer or a Subaru specialty shop.
No special tools are required.
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Old 08-28-2012, 09:04 AM   #32
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Hi, I have a question about my 2004 Impreza Outback, and I think this question is relevant to this thread. Should I get a second opinion? While I'm really interested to learn more about my car, I honestly don't know very much, but I want to ask the right questions. Any suggestions?
If you fill out your profile so we know where you are, someone may be able to direct you to a good tuner/Subaru shop where you could get another opinion. Large expenses are worth a second opinion.


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For a few hundred more u could buy a brand new STi motor.
I'm sure you mean you could buy a new STi short block. A long block, which includes heads, is considerably more

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You can have the engine out of the car and the head off in 2 hours.
Maybe you can but the OP obviously can't. Instead of ragging on him, try pointing him in the right direction so he doesn't waste his money. He is asking for help to resolve the problem
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Old 08-28-2012, 09:20 AM   #33
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Thanks for the replies. I'm in the DC/MD area. Does anyone have a recommended shop in that region? And yes, I should say that I definitely am not looking at this as a DIY. Maybe someday...
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Old 08-28-2012, 09:45 AM   #34
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Thanks for the replies. I'm in the DC/MD area. Does anyone have a recommended shop in that region? And yes, I should say that I definitely am not looking at this as a DIY. Maybe someday...
Andrewtech... 2406831000 Sam will hook u up
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Old 08-28-2012, 10:24 AM   #35
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Was this caused by the timing belt?
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Old 08-28-2012, 10:31 AM   #36
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I'm not sure if the timing belt is an issue. I'm going to go to the shop in a few minutes to ask for more information. I'll ask about the timing belt. Any other questions I should ask?
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Old 08-28-2012, 10:31 AM   #37
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Was this caused by the timing belt?
Sound like it yeah. Might have broke or jumped, maybe a pulley went.
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Old 08-28-2012, 01:28 PM   #38
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Thanks again for all of the input. I've come back from the mechanic with some more information. Cylinder 1 has no compression, and of course the spark plug has tons of soot on it. It looks like the problem is that the intake valve is bent or damaged, but it's hard to say exactly until the head comes off. There is a possibility that the cylinder head was cracked, and would need to be replaced, but he said this usually only happens if the engine overheats. I didn't notice overheating, and he said it doesn't look or smell like it overheated. There's also the possibility that the intake valve was stuck and was hit by the piston, which would mean repair/replacement of the piston. The best-case scenario breakdown of the cost is around $2100: $200 for the diagnostics up to this point, $800 for the labor at the shop, $300 for the machine shop labor, $800 for recommended parts - spark plugs, air and oil filters, fluids, timing and drive belts, water pump, gaskets. If there's a problem with the cylinder head, that would be another $300-400. Not sure about the piston. If I decided to also have a valve job on the other side, that would add about $800, but my mechanic doesn't see a reason to do that. He says the car looks to be in decent shape compared to some other Subarus he's seen, that there weren't any warning signs I was ignoring, and that there weren't any preventative things I could have done. He doesn't have any ideas about why this happened. I asked him about a refurbished engine, if significant damage was found once the head was removed. He said it has been a while since he did a Subaru engine, but estimated $3-4k, or maybe $6k for a new one - he hadn't specifically looked into that option.
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Old 08-28-2012, 03:56 PM   #39
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Have u spoken to Sam at Andrewtech
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Old 08-28-2012, 05:24 PM   #40
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If it's going to cost 4,500 dollars, get a new engine which should be less $$
Big time DITTO - I'm doing the same thing -$4500 will also get you a new turbo, oil pump, blah, blah, blah. And now you'll be set for another 10 years...
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Old 08-28-2012, 05:50 PM   #41
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Big time DITTO - I'm doing the same thing -$4500 will also get you a new turbo, oil pump, blah, blah, blah. And now you'll be set for another 10 years...
Did I mention a warranty? 12 mths/12k - by the dealer no less - which means you can legitimately contact Subaru direct if there's a problem with your dealer...

Here's a breakdown:

new shortblock 1800.00
new heads 1175.00
new oil pump 225.00
new turbocharger 1100.00 (I chose to have mine rebuilt by Bouch for $445 as a precaution)

labor 700.00
miscellaneous 200.00

squeeze a little and that will be it - 'tax,tag,& title'...
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Old 08-28-2012, 06:07 PM   #42
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Whaaa, I got a quote to replace my motor with a rebuilt one for half that price...
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Old 09-12-2012, 11:13 PM   #43
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In case anyone is wondering, I asked my mechanic to do the job, and he found just what he expected - a bent intake valve. Fortunately, there was no other damage, so the total came to the quoted price of $2100 for labor, machine shop fees, and parts (timing and drive belts, water pump, spark plugs and wires, gaskets, fluids and filters). I checked with Andrewtech, and Sam said it would be a few hundred dollars cheaper there, but that they couldn't look at it for at least another week and a half, plus I'd have to have it towed. The dealer quoted me something like $2700, but it's hard to say what all that included. I think my mechanic never figured out what exactly caused the issue, but it's fixed now!
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Old 09-13-2012, 01:02 AM   #44
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You have to fix what caused the belt to break. At 100,000 miles that failure is not normal.
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Old 09-13-2012, 01:48 AM   #45
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This thread is so painful to read.
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Old 10-10-2012, 11:06 PM   #46
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i just got back from the shop today and found i have a burnt exhaust valve in cylinder 4, and they want me to put a new engine in. the car is bone stock, its just due to age and 180,000 miles. they think just rebuilding the head will cost 2200 at minimum, and that a rebuilt engine would be more cost effective. the car has 180,000 on it, and i have to say that im leaning tward a engine as opposed to just the heads. thoughts? any ideas where i can find a rebuilt ej205 for reasonable? im located in vail, but could easily get to a shop in denver.
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Old 10-11-2012, 09:36 AM   #47
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i just got back from the shop today and found i have a burnt exhaust valve in cylinder 4, and they want me to put a new engine in. the car is bone stock, its just due to age and 180,000 miles. they think just rebuilding the head will cost 2200 at minimum, and that a rebuilt engine would be more cost effective. the car has 180,000 on it, and i have to say that im leaning tward a engine as opposed to just the heads. thoughts? any ideas where i can find a rebuilt ej205 for reasonable? im located in vail, but could easily get to a shop in denver.
if you can do most of the work yourself (ie..pulling the motor/separating the heads) you can do it less than 2200. the labor costs involved ( if the heads are generally good) at the machine shop will be for exh valves/guides, and surfacing. Set of GSC exh valves start around 115.

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