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Old 10-11-2012, 03:02 PM   #176
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Well at least they didnt kill anyone else but themselves. Darwin wins again
Agreed! They were too young/crazy/stupid to handle themselves yet they had to pass the limits of physics with an STi...... poor STi.
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Old 10-11-2012, 03:22 PM   #177
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These immature parents simply provided a weapon to their son. Actually that kid would have been probably alive if he had been given a real weapon.

To all these kids on nasioc that got "financial help" in buying their dream car (i.e. students with brand new WRX), you should turn to your parents and ask them why they want you dead. You know all too well you'll be driving your dream car beyond your talent and car's limit once in a while. Nothing wrong's with you, it's called youth and testosterone. This last one rises up especially when driving a sport car. And your parents are the only one to blame.
your right because young kids can only drive fast new cars, theres no older cars that are cheap and fast...
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Old 10-11-2012, 04:35 PM   #178
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These immature parents simply provided a weapon to their son. Actually that kid would have been probably alive if he had been given a real weapon.

To all these kids on nasioc that got "financial help" in buying their dream car (i.e. students with brand new WRX), you should turn to your parents and ask them why they want you dead. You know all too well you'll be driving your dream car beyond your talent and car's limit once in a while. Nothing wrong's with you, it's called youth and testosterone. This last one rises up especially when driving a sport car. And your parents are the only one to blame.
Cool story gramps

I love old people who think in absolutes and categorizes all young people as wreckless drivers.

Just to let you know, there are plenty of responsible drivers in university car clubs that are young with fast cars, some obtained with financial help
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Old 10-11-2012, 05:49 PM   #179
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Terrible story. I would not be surprised if the driver was charged with a crime in this, and his family will likely be sued by the victims' families as well.
The driver will be charged with vehicular manslaughter:

http://www.dmv.ny.gov/youngerdriver/grad-longisland.htm

1) he had a learners permit and was not under direct supervision of a licensed driver age 21 or older.

2) In NY State a teen with a learners permit cannot drive after 9pm.

3) He was restricted to carrying no more than one other passenger under the age of 18, who was not a family member, until he turned 18 (unless he was being directly supervised by a parent or driving instructor 21 or older). He could not have received an unrestricted license until he turned 18, but that is moot because he didn't have even his Junior License.

His parents will probably also be legally liable, for not supervising him. But specifically this case, his legal problems are just beginning.

He will be go to jail and owe a lot of money. Not a good way to start your life off, post high school.

Other than that, I agree that an STI is too much car for a teen. Statistics don't lie, and the fact that so many teens drive so badly when other teens are in the car are the reason for the NY State graduated licensing law.

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Old 10-11-2012, 08:11 PM   #180
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ac·ci·dent   [ak-si-duhnt] Show IPA
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an undesirable or unfortunate happening that occurs unintentionally and usually results in harm, injury, damage, or loss; casualty; mishap: automobile accidents.

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In 1996, two of my classmates died in a similar "accident" Homecoming night. I'm still in touch with the driver here and there since we have mutual friends. He did go to juvenile hall for some time after, but having to live what he did for the rest of his life is a burden that weighs on him to this day.

I will be surprised if Beer doesn't end up behind bars for a while, but he's gonna have to live with a lot more than that.
So was he "accidentally " driving 100+ in the middle of the night on wet pavement?
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Old 10-11-2012, 09:00 PM   #181
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I guess we can just wait and see what the charges are. I live in NY State and I can pretty much guarantee the DA is already prepping the papers. The toxicology tests will be released, and his only saving grace is he is 17, but that does not mean they won't seek to try him as an adult.


Maybe 10 years ago he would have gotten off easy for this "accident", but times and laws have changed a lot in the past few years.

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Old 10-11-2012, 09:32 PM   #182
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So was he "accidentally " driving 100+ in the middle of the night on wet pavement?
You missed the point.
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Old 10-11-2012, 10:32 PM   #183
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I guess we can just wait and see what the charges are. I live in NY State and I can pretty much guarantee the DA is already prepping the papers.

Maybe 10 years ago he would have gotten off easy for this "accident", but times and laws have changed a lot in the past few years.
Wouldn't surprise me if he got "put up" for a long time, someone I know just had her husband get out of prison(after 3 years) for vehicular manslaughter, he got drunk rolled his car and his best friend was killed in it.

Beyond the potential prison time, you gotta wonder how messed up that kid is gonna be knowing the death of 4 people are on him. Regardless of his stupidity he doesn't deserve that haunting him.
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Old 10-11-2012, 11:05 PM   #184
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Sad story indeed, but this is why we shouldn't give little kids fast cars..
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Old 10-11-2012, 11:56 PM   #185
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Cool story gramps

I love old people who think in absolutes and categorizes all young people as wreckless drivers.

Just to let you know, there are plenty of responsible drivers in university car clubs that are young with fast cars, some obtained with financial help
I love the "plenty of". But what does that plenty mean? 0.5%, 10%, 73% of the total group? You know, there's a specific kind of company out there whose mandate is to measure exactly the risk of accidents given the type of vehicle and age of drivers... INSURANCE, you heard of that? Now why do you think they make these premiums so horribly expensive for kids and sport cars???? Because they have the stats in front of them and they know all too well chances are super high that a kid is going to crash driving a new STI. So they raise the premiums hoping to have none of these risky clients and if there are people still wiling to pay, well insurances have their a** covered financially more or less in case they need to pay for a cut in half STI. Yep, it sucks for the 0.05% (what you called plenty) that are responsible drivers in university car clubs that are young with fast cars, lol. Sucks even more for the smaller fraction paying all by themselves.

Got the point kid? You want some more cool stories?
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Old 10-12-2012, 03:30 AM   #186
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You missed the point.
No I didn't.

It wasn't an "accident " of how stupid he was being. He "may" not have been able to comprehend the consequences of his actions due to inexperience. But he didn't roll his sti into the trees and kill 4 of his friends at 45mph due to poor road conditions. He chose to sneak out late at night, pick up his buds, and drive like an idiot at speeds multiple times the limit. The moment he decided to break the rules he was asking for trouble. No accident.
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Old 10-12-2012, 07:07 AM   #187
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That specific spot where he wrecked is extremly dangerous anything above the speed limit. The road dips and as it comes up it goes into a pretty nasty turn. If you take it at high speeds from the inside lane, chances are your not going to understeer like everyone does. Motorcycles barely make it at higher speeds. I blame the parent more than the driver as hes only a kid with a learners permit. What the hell did the parents think a kid with a sports car would do? As ive discussed many times at meets, ignorant people think these "AWD" vehicles are gods gift to the road. Awd doesnt compensate for stupidity. Yes the summer tires dont help especially with a small layer of ice on the ground. Too bad all the driver did was kill everyone else. As we used to say in the military. Its never you, its always the ones around you that gets killed cuz of your stupidity.
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Old 10-12-2012, 08:43 AM   #188
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Check out page 4, from the insurance institute for highway safety, on the stats they found based on teen drivers with sports cars...also talks about motorcylces.

http://www.iihs.org/externaldata/srdata/docs/sr4610.pdf

"Midsize sports cars have the third highest ratio of teen (16-19) to primeage-driver (35-60) claim rates and the highest among automobiles. Their teen claim frequency of 14.9 is 2.5 times the rate for prime-age drivers."
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Old 10-12-2012, 09:22 AM   #189
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Everyone's input here is right in their own sense and point of view. Most of us if not all of us did stupid things when we first started to drive. My first car was/is a 2000 Acura TL ( 3.2L V6 225HP) while it is only a FWD car it still had enough to get me in trouble. Even if I was mature a young individuals mindset is to go fast.

Compared to a lot more of my friends and people I went to school with I was mature for my age. I had my fair share of stupid moments and going fast but you live and learn as you get older and learn from mistakes.

While I may only be 21 I have definitely gotten more experience behind the wheel bust still nowhere near an expert. I have respect for the car and the road and while we all like to go fast we need to know the limits and refrain from being pressured into doing something.

As much as I always wanted to move into something bigger and better and while my first car was less of a beater than others, I have to work for my next car and will be purchasing a WRX in March for graduation present .

Like others have said, parents should get their kids a used car that they can get used to and learn from and when they can afford it they can buy something they truly want because they will be more grateful rather than being given something and it will be much more rewarding knowing that you have worked so hard for such a great reward.
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Old 10-12-2012, 09:36 AM   #190
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Take a look at all the Toxicologist, Crime Scene investigators, Accident investigators and experts we have. How about we just all express our condolences for the families and friends and wait for an investigation before we come to conclusions. Besides regardless if you buy your kids a WRX or a Ford Pinto, If you are not careful and respect the road the same thing would happen.

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Old 10-12-2012, 09:55 AM   #191
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Out of all those kids, only one looked like a decent human being not a Jersey Shore hopeful, rich kids too... I can't really feel bad, I feel worse for the car there goes $40,000 in a flash because pounding beers in a high power car seemed cool at the time. S**t like this pisses me off instead of evoking sadness.
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Old 10-12-2012, 10:34 AM   #192
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I love the "plenty of". But what does that plenty mean? 0.5%, 10%, 73% of the total group? You know, there's a specific kind of company out there whose mandate is to measure exactly the risk of accidents given the type of vehicle and age of drivers... INSURANCE, you heard of that? Now why do you think they make these premiums so horribly expensive for kids and sport cars???? Because they have the stats in front of them and they know all too well chances are super high that a kid is going to crash driving a new STI. So they raise the premiums hoping to have none of these risky clients and if there are people still wiling to pay, well insurances have their a** covered financially more or less in case they need to pay for a cut in half STI. Yep, it sucks for the 0.05% (what you called plenty) that are responsible drivers in university car clubs that are young with fast cars, lol. Sucks even more for the smaller fraction paying all by themselves.

Got the point kid? You want some more cool stories?
an Insurance company Calculates how to make PROFIT from risk assessment. AN ACTUARY calculates how much risk is for what age, location, type of car, and the value of the car. Ever heard of it?

There are plenty of responsible (not reckless drivers) young drivers, just not EXPERIENCED. When everyone starts driving, no one just KNOWS everything thus it's a much greater chance that they would get into a car accident. Sadly though, my "plenty" guess for the amount of responsible young drivers with fast cars is at about 20-50%.

It is a problem more than half the time, but you cant just assume ALL kids are like that.

BTW my buddy just got into a minor accident, fast car, but wasn't driving recklessly. Didn't see a stop sign. I think a good amount of what you account for as kids driven by testosterone is actually just inexperienced drivers.
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Old 10-12-2012, 10:39 AM   #193
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Really? Nobody? You mean all the young drivers reading this thread that say it was an accident, or not all 17 year olds are this way aren't in some ways advocating that its "OK" because we were all young and stupid too? OK. If you believe that to be the case.

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I'll give you assumption, but not outrageous, and definitely not silly. It's rooted in fact as being in a family of 1st responders and seeing what speeds require certain things to happen... and that he won't get out of this without any kind of serious penalty, the very least being 4 counts of manslaughter.

To take a Subaru with it's modern, highly touted and accolated OEM safety cage and split it in 1/2 requires quite a bit of 'talent' and speed. Logic therefore dicates the speeds he had to be going to accompolish such a feat are in the very least in triple digits.
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Cool story gramps

I love old people who think in absolutes and categorizes all young people as wreckless drivers.
Quite the opposite actually, many teens are not wreckless. (I know... typo)

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You missed the point.
Agreed.

The driver doing 100+ mph at 3am on wet roads, when by all intents and purposes he shouldn't have even been behind the wheel at the time was not an accident.

The end result of his choices (in the trees and 4 dead) however, is by definition, an accident.

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Out of all those kids, only one looked like a decent human being not a Jersey Shore hopeful, rich kids too... I can't really feel bad, I feel worse for the car there goes $40,000 in a flash because pounding beers in a high power car seemed cool at the time. S**t like this pisses me off instead of evoking sadness.
Little chlorine in those family gene pools.
BEER IS THE DRIVERS LAST NAME!

There is no evidence he had acohol in his system... yet. Jeebus people. Reading comprehension ain't that hard.

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Old 10-12-2012, 11:26 AM   #195
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BEER IS THE DRIVERS LAST NAME!

There is no evidence he had acohol in his system... yet. Jeebus people. Reading comprehension ain't that hard.

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Whoa whoa!! Your failure to understand basic logic astonishes me.

His name is Beer, its in his family, in his blood. No matter what beer is always in his blood, damn raging alcoholic.

/endsarcasm
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Whoa whoa!! Your failure to understand basic logic astonishes me.

His name is Beer, its in his family, in his blood. No matter what beer is always in his blood, damn raging alcoholic.

/endsarcasm


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BEER IS THE DRIVERS LAST NAME!

There is no evidence he had acohol in his system... yet. Jeebus people. Reading comprehension ain't that hard.

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Sorry for not catching it I breezed through it. I see "The car, which Beer had been given for graduating early-" I see that and think someone bought them beer for the ride. Just waking up and reading this is hard to distinguish a rational idea of whats going on....
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Old 10-12-2012, 12:27 PM   #198
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I have to respectfully disagree. Four families will be haunted by the death of a loved one. I believe the driver's guilt should deservedly haunt him for the rest of his life.
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Old 10-12-2012, 01:37 PM   #199
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How many here had thier cars up to 100+ mph while still on a learners permit? Raise your hands.

*crickets*

Stop making excuses for this driver with phrases like "that's why accidents are accidents". This isn't an accident, it's vehicular manslaughter.

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I never did. **** example.
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Old 10-12-2012, 01:46 PM   #200
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I never did. **** example.
I think you're missing his point. He's saying that this kid made a stupid mistake and people should stop trying to find sympathy for him. This wasn't an accident it was the consequences of sheer recklessness.

So you kind of solidified his statement.
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